Hacking WARNING - Gateway team bricks card ON PURPOSE!

[somewhereovertherainbow]

Steena: To exemplify. Your Wii can be bricked from installing a bad wad.file

I think you put alot more blame on Gateway then on the real cause of the problem, Normatt file (region-free patch)

 

[minexew]

they dont want devs to use their code . Cool i agree... Punish the end user for someone elses abuse of thie code ... Really ?

It's not their user, so why would they care, if it harms their competition? (who probably deserve it for not doing their homework)
Remember, we're talking about chinese pirates here.

 

[Dimensional]

They claim to do a "shitload of testing", so I think you should be safe. But yeah, still a beta.
And no, I don't have a Gateway 3ds as I don't believe in piracy when it comes to Nintendo. (right now they're struggling enough thanks to the WiiU)
I do have a DSLite with DSTT though, and it fails all the time.

Good luck on your coding career, by the way!

Thanks. I'm trying to look at things logically and see the paths for the solutions. So far, the only thing I can see could cause a brick would be something solely associated with beta code. Even testing something 1 millions times doesn't guarantee it'll work properly all the time. And now this part I remember from my father. He showed me a book that explained in science that no matter what, no matter how hard you try, something can go wrong. You could error test and everything, but you can't account for everything. I'm paraphrasing of course, but the gist is that you can only try to decrease the occurrences of problems, but you can not eliminate them all together. Any Engineer, be it structural, mechanical, or even software, could say that. "Hope for the best, expect the worst, and plan accordingly." If you don't believe me, talk to some of the guys at NASA.

Back to the point of the thread: The software is in beta. The development team worked heavily to ensure the chances of something going wrong are extremely rare. Did the official Beta loader brick these systems, even a few of them who were actually using the official flashcarts and weren't lying about it? The answer as of right now is it's unsure. Since the loader is in Beta, that means there are still some bugs to be worked out, and some features that haven't been fully tested. That's what a beta version means. Depending on many variables, some which we don't know of yet, the coin is still in the air.

 

[somewhereovertherainbow]

Simple.

Use files that works and wait for those Devs to create updates..

Update such as to play Pokemon X ,

 

[justinkb]

No, no. Every single one of those is bought off by MT-Card to slander others

the truth is perhaps much simpler, see my previous posts.

we have seen ZERO evidence from any of these experts, when this would have been extremely simple to provide.

 

[somewhereovertherainbow]

You got one-of the most easy installed homebrew apps, for a console that is quite popular.

One guy who uses not Gateways, but someones modified file, causes his 3DS to brick...

I don't see why you blame Gateway so hard.

 

[Arras]

Steena: To exemplify. Your Wii can be bricked from installing a bad wad.file

I think you put alot more blame on Gateway then on the real cause of the problem, Normatt file (region-free patch)

This is more like someone coded the WAD installer to break the entire Wii if the user tries to install a WAD it doesn't like.

 

[Foxi4]

Oh really? Fuck off right now ( :-) ) - are you serious?

Okay.

Listen, the chit-chat is pointless. All I'm saying that reputable sources say so, now be nice, don't swear and let's agree to disagree on this.

 

[tHciNc]

I doubt there was ever any brick intentions or any maliciousness on GWs part, Its a fact of life, buy a pair of $10 louis vutton glasses, of course they are gonna break

 

[somewhereovertherainbow]

This is more like someone coded the WAD installer to break the entire Wii if the user tries to install a WAD it doesn't like.

Like normatt file (aka the region-free patch) was?

 

[Arras]

Like normatt file (aka the region-free patch) was?

No, the Gateway launcher is the installer here, the region-free patch is the wad. It's a pretty bad analogy anyway but whatever.

 

[Crass]

While it is disgusting that Gateway may have intentionally put some code in to damage hardware, it shows a lack of concern or competence on the cloner's parts to not detect this code and to release it to their users without understanding what it is they are releasing. That is horribly unprofessional.

Remember folks, these are hackers in China or wherever, we can't hold them to western standards of business ethics, because they deal in an incredibly unethical business to begin with!

 

[somewhereovertherainbow]

No, the Gateway launcher is the installer here, the region-free patch is the wad. It's a pretty bad analogy anyway but whatever.

so the problem would never happened if he wasn't using the region-free patch (Made by normatt and Not Gateway) ?

 

[Black-Ice]

And i'm just sitting here with my normal 3ds laughing.

 

[MrOldboy]

Have any prominent devs suggested that it would have been possible for GW to brick the clone cards? Or a method presented that they could have used to do so? I'm not a programmer so I have no idea if they could do that, but that has been the sentiment lately. "Brick the clone card, not the console you assholes." Maybe GW couldn't figure out a way to brick the clone cards and instead went this route.

I'm more in the camp that GW should have done something less harsh as this is just making legit customers and potential customers turn on them, not back them up. Maybe just something to inconvenience the end user as a warning. Like deleting the rom or someother passive-aggressive form of warning. Something that didn't cost the user a lot of $$$ to fix/replace.

Either way, I was skeptical at first since there was no evidence being presented and there still hasn't been any actual hard eveidence either, but I'll take the word of multiple prominent devs over most others in the scene. Just sucks that this is happening right as everyone was getting excited for 2.0. I wonder how this affects that.

 

[minexew]

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Well of course, everything could break. Usually you estimate the risks (failure rate) and make sure they're acceptable for your purpose. And it's not like NASA never blew it, either

 

[Dimensional]

And i'm just sitting here with my normal 3ds laughing.

And I laugh with you, but only because I want to feel like I belong.

 

[Flame]

While it is disgusting that Gateway may have intentionally put some code in to damage hardware, it shows a lack of concern or competence on the cloner's parts to not detect this code and to release it to their users without understanding what it is they are releasing. That is horribly unprofessional.

Remember folks, these are hackers in China or wherever, we can't hold them to western standards of business ethics, because they deal in an incredibly unethical business to begin with!

they may be from any where they just use the china as a base to sell they product.

ethics? they sell a product for you to play roms. what ethics..

 

[minexew]

Have any prominent devs suggested that it would have been possible for GW to brick the clone cards? Or a method presented that they could have used to do so? I'm not a programmer so I have no idea if they could do that, but that has been the sentiment lately. "Brick the clone card, not the console you assholes." Maybe GW couldn't figure out a way to brick the clone cards and instead went this route.

Maybe that or they wanted to be sure that everybody gets their message. You can't really blame them for that when it comes to clone carts, but when your 3ds blows up just because you used a modified Launcher, that's pretty stupid.

 

[Arras]

Have any prominent devs suggested that it would have been possible for GW to brick the clone cards? Or a method presented that they could have used to do so? I'm not a programmer so I have no idea if they could do that, but that has been the sentiment lately. "Brick the clone card, not the console you assholes." Maybe GW couldn't figure out a way to brick the clone cards and instead went this route.

I'm more in the camp that GW should have done something less harsh as this is just making legit customers and potential customers turn on them, not back them up. Maybe just something to inconvenience the end user as a warning. Like deleting the rom or someother passive-aggressive form of warning. Something that didn't cost the user a lot of $$$ to fix/replace.

Either way, I was skeptical at first since there was no evidence being presented and there still hasn't been any actual hard eveidence either, but I'll take the word of multiple prominent devs over most others in the scene. Just sucks that this is happening right as everyone was getting excited for 2.0. I wonder how this affects that.

Same here. They could randomly delete the save file from the SD card or something, or hang on trying to launch a game. Stuff like that. It would have pushed people away from the clone cards because they would seem unreliable while not permanently breaking things, so they would be more inclined to get a Gateway. It's still underhanded tactics but that would have been much better.