Hardware Why make a console that is backwards compatible ?

[WiiCube_2013]

That said, Vita does have some good games. WiiCube_2013 said Vita has no game because he never try Vita in person.

Oh I did try but I didn't like it.

The buttons were too small for my fingers, analogue sticks didn't feel natural but it had pretty graphics and once again Sony is trying to replicate home console gaming on a handheld.

We all know how that turned out last time with the PSP.

 

[the_randomizer]

Now the original PSP, that I'd love to try and they're pretty easy to get cheap as well as being hackable

 

[Foxi4]

We all know how that turned out last time with the PSP.

...with a spectacular success? The system sold 72 million units till March 2012 and god knows how many by now since it continues selling (I would quote the 80.7 million figure from VGChartz if only the website wasn't laughable 9 out of 10 times). Sure, it's less than the DS, but that doesn't make it a failure by no stretch of the imagination - quite the opposite considering it was Sony's first serious foray into the portable consoles business.

The buttons were too small for my fingers, analogue sticks didn't feel natural but it had pretty graphics and once again Sony is trying to replicate home console gaming on a handheld.

...the 3DS must feel small to you as well then as the buttons are practically the same size. As far as the analog sticks are concerned, they take some getting used to, but once you do they work great.

 

[GameWinner]

Oh I did try but I didn't like it.

The buttons were too small for my fingers, analogue sticks didn't feel natural but it had pretty graphics and once again Sony is trying to replicate home console gaming on a handheld.

We all know how that turned out last time with the PSP.

And?
What's wrong with a console gaming experience on the go?
I'm pretty sure if Nintendo went for better graphics they would be seen as gods on this forum.
"Oh, based Nintendo did it again!!"
"Lololol look at those sonyponies with their weak handheld!!"
"I can't wait for the Gamecube ports!!!"
"Godsend!!"

 

[Foxi4]

And?
What's wrong with a console gaming experience on the go?
I'm pretty sure if Nintendo went for better graphics they would be seen as gods on this forum.

It's not like we haven't seen that with our very own eyes. The first couple of months preceeding PSVita's announcement were spent on forum-wide circlejerking about how the 3DS is so much better than the PSP in just about everything it. The moment the PSVita was announced though, those voices rolled back to "but we have superior games!".

The situation was exactly the same with the Wii U - it all started off with wanking at how it's superior to the aged PS3 and XBox 360, now it's all about how the PS4 and the XBox One are consoles for dudebros.

It doesn't matter what kind of a fanboy you are - all fanboys operate on the exact same wavelength according to the same modus operandi.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

Besides, I never said anything about the N64, where the hell did you get that from?

It's just that Foxi4's life purpose is to prove everyone that the n64 is the worst console ever. So it's only natural he takes every chance he gets to mock it...

 

[zeello]

We all know how that turned out last time with the PSP.

PSP is a great machine... and it happens to be the most successful gaming handheld of all time that isn't by Nintendo.

As for Vita I actually agree with you that the buttons feel too small. (but I do not own one and could always change my mind) PSP has console-sized buttons and dpad.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

PSP is a great machine... and it happens to be the most successful gaming handheld of all time that isn't by Nintendo.

As for Vita I actually agree with you that the buttons feel too small. (but I do not own one and could always change my mind) PSP has console-sized buttons and dpad.

In terms of hardware and software sold, the Nintendo DS is the most succesful portable. But, sure, the PSP sold very well to.

 

[Foxi4]

It's just that Foxi4's life purpose is to prove everyone that the n64 is the worst console ever. So it's only natural he takes every chance he gets to mock it...

Not the worst, rather a disturbing point in Nintendo's history when they began making head-scratchingly dumb mistakes when designing home consoles. Each and every console of theirs from that point onwards is fataly flawed in some form, be it hardware-wise or feature-wise - it's the console that marks their disconnection from what is considered the standard.

 

[FAST6191]

Not wishing to put words in Foxi4's mouth, especially after he has already gone, but a lot of the N64 threads seem to feature people that accuse the N64 of being some unsung classic of a console. Before launch there was a lot of hype and people talking about selling their existing PS1/saturns (both of which had already been on the market for quite the amount of time) to get one, after launch it seemed "mario 64 and pilot wings are nice tech demos" which progressed to Rare made some nice stuff and finally a fizzle out. All the while the Playstation was dragging things out of the bronze age of gaming and into at least the iron age, made a load of games of equal or better quality, doing about as well on the innovation front as anybody could have hoped and basically pissing in the N64's face right throughout in every way that matters.
It seems to be a variation on Sonic Adventure syndrome where it was greeted with a resounding "meh"/that is not a good game and all of a sudden in the last few years people treat it like a classic.... I am not sure where such things came from and it marks a complete shift in opinion that had existed for years until then. Likewise nobody has really ever been able to qualify it that I have seen, certainly I have not seen any "this was where this modern mechanic started"

 

[RodrigoDavy]

Not wishing to put words in Foxi4's mouth, especially after he has already gone, but a lot of the N64 threads seem to feature people that accuse the N64 of being some unsung classic of a console. Before launch there was a lot of hype and people talking about selling their existing PS1/saturns (both of which had already been on the market for quite the amount of time) to get one, after launch it seemed "mario 64 and pilot wings are nice tech demos" which progressed to Rare made some nice stuff and finally a fizzle out. All the while the Playstation was dragging things out of the bronze age of gaming and into at least the iron age, made a load of games of equal or better quality, doing about as well on the innovation front as anybody could have hoped and basically pissing in the N64's face right throughout in every way that matters.
It seems to be a variation on Sonic Adventure syndrome where it was greeted with a resounding "meh"/that is not a good game and all of a sudden in the last few years people treat it like a classic.... I am not sure where such things came from and it marks a complete shift in opinion that had existed for years until then. Likewise nobody has really ever been able to qualify it that I have seen, certainly I have not seen any "this was where this modern mechanic started"

Your argument seem to be that just because the PS1 was in many ways a better console the N64 shouldn't be considered. I was a kid back then, I had a PS1... I loved playing PS1 games, but whenever I visited a friend who owned a N64 I was excited for the chance to play it. And I don't remember anyone finding n64 games to be kind of "meh"... I guess in Europe the n64 really wasn't sucessful, but in my country it was relatively common and I dreamed about playing Super Mario 64, Mario Kart, Pokemon Snap, Banjo Kazooie and Zelda back then.

Many first/second-party games for the n64 were high-rated by critics back then in the 90s, so they were considered great games that time, discarding your "Sonic Adventure syndrome" theory. The fact is, many people didn't own a N64 nor they had friends/cousins who had one so they didn't knew these classics, but because of emulators years laters many people could rediscover n64 games and enjoy it.

 

[FAST6191]

It was a thing, it was a thing that existed on the mass market even, so it gets to be considered. I will spin another way.... call it nostalgia for an age that never existed (see also how some people treat 1950's America) and that tends to drive me nuts.

 

[Foxi4]

Not wishing to put words in Foxi4's mouth, especially after he has already gone, but a lot of the N64 threads seem to feature people that accuse the N64 of being some unsung classic of a console. Before launch there was a lot of hype and people talking about selling their existing PS1/saturns (both of which had already been on the market for quite the amount of time) to get one, after launch it seemed "mario 64 and pilot wings are nice tech demos" which progressed to Rare made some nice stuff and finally a fizzle out. All the while the Playstation was dragging things out of the bronze age of gaming and into at least the iron age, made a load of games of equal or better quality, doing about as well on the innovation front as anybody could have hoped and basically pissing in the N64's face right throughout in every way that matters.
It seems to be a variation on Sonic Adventure syndrome where it was greeted with a resounding "meh"/that is not a good game and all of a sudden in the last few years people treat it like a classic.... I am not sure where such things came from and it marks a complete shift in opinion that had existed for years until then. Likewise nobody has really ever been able to qualify it that I have seen, certainly I have not seen any "this was where this modern mechanic started"

...I liked Sonic Adventure even when it was new! ;O;

That being said, games aside, it truly is...

It was a thing, it was a thing that existed on the mass market even, so it gets to be considered. I will spin another way.... call it nostalgia for an age that never existed (see also how some people treat 1950's America) and that tends to drive me nuts.

...or at least never existed outside for a very, very narrow part of the U.S. audience.

 

[FAST6191]

...I liked Sonic Adventure even when it was new! ;O;

That being said, games aside, it truly is......or at least never existed outside for a very, very narrow part of the U.S. audience.

Are you not on record as having been able to derive some non ironic enjoyment from Sonic '06? Also Tails avatar in 2014.... if the shoe fits.

 

[Foxi4]

Are you not on record as having been able to derive some non ironic enjoyment from Sonic '06? Also Tails avatar in 2014.... if the shoe fits.

...Sonic '06 isn't Sonic Adventure though... It's just the hellspawn.

 

[tronic307]

I'd prefer cross rather than backwards compatibility for Nintendo. They need to dump IBM and go with 64-bit ARM for both their next console and handheld. Some might say x86, but how would that work for a handheld?

As you might already know from some newspaper reports, we will reorganize our development divisions next month for the first time in nine years. Two divisions which have independently developed handheld devices and home consoles will be united to form the Integrated Research & Development Division, which will be headed by Genyo Takeda, Senior Managing Director.
Last year we also started a project to integrate the architecture for our future platforms. What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform. They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.
Some time ago it was technologically impossible to have the same architecture for handheld devices and home consoles and what we did was therefore reasonable. Although it has not been long since we began to integrate the architecture and this will have no short-term result, we believe that it will provide a great benefit to our platform business in the long run.

 

[Foxi4]

I'd prefer cross rather than backwards compatibility for Nintendo. They need to dump IBM and go with 64-bit ARM for both their next console and handheld. Some might say x86, but how would that work for a handheld?

...and how would that work out for the home console? Even an octacore CPU, the system would still be terribly underpowered in comparison to its x86 bretheren in the competition's console, you'd literally create a Nintendo Ouya.

Direct cross-platform between the home console and the portable is silly because the handheld will always have poorer specs - it's infinitely better to release dedicated sibling versions like with PS3-to-PSVita Cross-buy which are virtually identical but still coded for two different platforms.

 

[tronic307]

...and how would that work out for the home console? Even an octacore CPU, the system would still be terribly underpowered in comparison to its x86 bretheren in the competition's console, you'd literally create a Nintendo Ouya.

Direct cross-platform between the home console and the portable is silly because the handheld will always have poorer specs - it's infinitely better to release dedicated sibling versions like with PS3-to-PSVita Cross-buy which are virtually identical but still coded for two different platforms.

You read the quote; Nintendo is unifying handheld and console architectures. Give me a candidate that fits the bill besides ARMv8-A. Plus, AMD will be selling powerful ARM APUs in the near future. We've seen what Tegra K1 can do, and that's ARM.

 

[Foxi4]

You read the quote; Nintendo is unifying handheld and console architectures. Give me a candidate that fits the bill besides ARMv8-A. Plus, AMD will be selling powerful ARM APUs in the near future.

x86_64 is becoming more and more power saving and portable, you already get to see it in tablets, smaller devices will follow suit eventually. I can see that Nintendo's doing it (or rather, working on it), I don't necessarily have to agree with it though. It's probably going to be ARM-based, which doesn't mean that it's a good choice for a home console - it isn't. Not when the home console and the portable are supposed to be based on the same specs and run the same software.

 

[tronic307]

The software can be scaled to hardware spec like PC games. Great spillover from the handheld market for Nintendo.

No more droughts.