PS3 or xbox 360

[KielMaruVasquez]

Cant decide between the two since i have no knowledge about consoles.

What is cheaper.. like in the long run? Im only planning to play games downloaded through the internet. And not original games since theyre expensive.
Whats safer to hack? Im also not really into the whole PSN thing that ps3 have cause im not gonna buy any games. I also heard some games cant be played on the xbox 360 cause you have to update it yearly?
Also, i might just buy a used console to save money and theyre already modded so its better.
Is it better to buy brand new? cause i heard some new consoles cant be hacked? What else should i know?

 

[Foxi4]

Alright then:

• Money-wise, it's same difference - you can get both systems at roughly the same price, so it's a draw.
• Hacking-wise, the PS3 may pose a bigger challenge. This is because the system has to be on 4.5 firmware before you can progress to hacking it, and contemporarily this means either looking for an old unit or downgrading a new one. Unfortunately, the Super Slim models you'll see on store shelves these days are not "downgradable" as of yet. In the case of the XBox 360, "hacking it" requires installing an RGH modchip and you're set. Long story short, points to 360.
• Neither of the systems is "safe" to go online with after modding - in both cases you can end up with a banned console or a banned account. In the case of PS3, there are ways to keep the system protected from such a fate by means of swapping your Console ID with a fake one as well as using stealth connection apps, but at the end of the day, personally I think it's too much work for too little gain. You'll be sitting on pins and needles either way, "hoping not to get flagged" 24/7. Stay offline. That being said, points for PS3 for being that little bit safer.
• Buying an already modded system is indeed cheaper, however keep in mind that used units in both cases may have BGA damage (YLOD/RROD) issues somewhere down the line, especially if they're early models - read up on the model you're about to buy to see whether or not it was affected by "the plague". Make sure that the unit you're buying is in perfect working condition and did not go through reflowing/reballing, just to be safe. It's a draw in this regard.

That about covers it as far as my knowledge is concerned, I don't know a whole lot about the 360, I'm afraid.

Wii U.

He plans on playing games, UltraMew.

 

[KielMaruVasquez]

Alright then:

• Money-wise, it's same difference - you can get both systems at roughly the same price
• Hacking-wise, the PS3 may pose a bigger challenge. This is because the system has to be on 4.5 firmware before you can progress to hacking it, and contemporarily this means either looking for an old unit or downgrading a new one. Unfortunately, the Super Slim models you'll see on store shelves these days are not "downgradable" as of yet. In the case of the XBox 360, "hacking it" requires installing an RGH modchip and you're set.
• Neither of the systems is "safe" to go online with after modding - in both cases you can end up with a banned console or a banned account. In the case of PS3, there are ways to keep the system protected from such a fate by means of swapping your Console ID with a faith like one as well as using stealth connection apps, but at the end of the day, personally I think it's too much work for too little gain. You'll be sitting on pins and needles either way, "hoping not to get flagged" 24/7. Stay offline.
• Buying an already modded system is indeed cheaper, however keep in mind that used units in both cases may have BGA damage (YLOD/RROD) issues somewhere down the line - read up on the model you're about to buy to see whether or not it was affected by "the plague".

That about covers it as far as my knowledge is concerned, I don't know a whole lot about the 360, I'm afraid.He plans on playing games, UltraMew.

• I said whats cheaper in the longer run.. not the price of it. Like if in case i have to replace some stuff, whats cheaper etc.
• "Installing a modchip"? Does that require buying something or thats a software term? Like something you just do in the software and not a hardware mod? So ur telling me its easier to hack an Xbox than a ps3? Even if i buy a brand new xbox?
• You said "not safe to go online" so basically i just dont have to go online and im good? I think im not gonna do that anyway. What can you do online anyway so idc
• Isnt that an xbox term? YLOD etc.? Are you implying that the xbox is more prone to issues compared to the ps3? I want something thats more durable and would last long and not too sensitive.

 

[Foxi4]

• I said whats cheaper in the longer run.. not the price of it. Like if in case i have to replace some stuff, whats cheaper etc.
• "Installing a modchip"? Does that require buying something or thats a software term? Like something you just do in the software and not a hardware mod? So ur telling me its easier to hack an Xbox than a ps3? Even if i buy a brand new xbox?
• You said "not safe to go online" so basically i just dont have to go online and im good? I think im not gonna do that anyway. What can you do online anyway so idc
• Isnt that an xbox term? YLOD etc.? Are you implying that the xbox is more prone to issues compared to the ps3? I want something thats more durable and would last long and not too sensitive.

• In the long run, both systems will be just as cheap. The difference is that with the PS3, you have to downgrade, and this implies that you'll either have to do it yourself with a firmware flashing kit (an E3 Flasher, for example) or have it downgraded by someone else for you wheras with the 360, all you need is to have it fitted with an RGH chip, which you naturally have to buy. Depending on which option turns out cheaper for you, either console could be modded "cheaply". Techically, a PS3 should be cheaper since it doesn't require a modchip and as such no additional expense outside the console itself provided you can get it with a low enough firmware. If you'll buy a pre-modded system, both will cost you just as much.
• A modchip is an additional chip soldered onto the motherboard of your system which exploits a system vulnerability in order to play backups and launch homebrew, it's a hardware term. A flashing kit is a special kit of devices used to install a firmware earlier than the one on-board by means of connecting it to the console's built-in memory, performing the downgrading procedure and removing it. Custom Firmware is a special, modified firmware allowing you to launch homebrew and/or backups without the need for a modchip.
• As far as online is concerned, you're missing out on the multiplayer portion of games, the shop and some movie/music/streaming services.
• YLOD means Yellow Light of Death, it's an issue of early PS3's. RROD is the Red Ring of Death, it affects early 360'ties. In both cases, the problem was that the CPU's of the systems were becoming so hot that they literally melted the solder on the board and dislodged themselves from it, the solder cracked or the chips cooked themselves. It's rare now, but it used to occur pretty often a couple years back. Right now, durability is pretty much comparable.

 

[UltraMew]

He plans on playing games, UltraMew.

What, Netflix and CoD? Pssh. Besides, Super Mario 3D World.

 

[Foxi4]

What, Netflix and CoD? Pssh. Besides, Super Mario 3D World.

Please enjoy the 5 games you have on your system, by all means, but don't suggest the OP a solution he's not interested in. Be helpful, not disruptive.

 

[UltraMew]

Please enjoy the 5 games you have on your system, by all means, but don't suggest the OP a solution he's not interested in. Be helpful, not disruptive.

Since when were people only interested in hardcore RPGs and FPS's?

 

[Foxi4]

Since when were people only interested in hardcore RPGs and FPS's?

Since the OP mentioned that he wanted a hackable console to play downloaded games on and specifically mentioned two systems of interest - the PS3 and the XBox 360... and not the Wii U, which doesn't suit his needs.

 

[kristianity77]

Id argue now a little bit that if you take the right precautions (especially on Xbox360) that you are probably life safe from here on in. Microsoft at this point aren't going to be throwing resources at an older console when they have a new one to look out for. Also, there are methods now (Like the XK3y) which have been around for a couple of years I believe that to my knowledge, hasn't seen anyone banned because of it. With regards the PS3, someone else would have to speak regarding that. But as for the 360, you can hack now and I'd say your safe.

 

[UltraMew]

Since the OP mentioned that he wanted a hackable console to play downloaded games on and specifically mentioned two systems of interest - the PS3 and the XBox 360... and not the Wii U, which doesn't suit his needs.

Forget it. All you fanboys can keep going on about your Ninty hate, which is silly because this forum started out as a Game Boy Advance rom hosting community.

 

[GameWinner]

Buy PS3 for that Persona 5.

 

[Foxi4]

Forget it. All you fanboys can keep going on about your Ninty hate, which is silly because this forum started out as a Game Boy Advance rom hosting community.

Look son, the thread is called "PS3 or XBox 360?", the OP "can't decide between the two", he wants a system which will play downloadable (aka "pirated") games and will not cost him a pretty penny and you waltz in here suggesting a system which not only isn't (officially) hacked yet and hasn't got the capability to play backups but also isn't either of the two ones the OP is thinking about. There's no hate involved, I'm just answering the actual question that was asked as vividly and descriptively as possible wheras you perform your fanboy shlock and drop in a console that has nothing to do with the subject matter.

Id argue now a little bit that if you take the right precautions (especially on Xbox360) that you are probably life safe from here on in. Microsoft at this point aren't going to be throwing resources at an older console when they have a new one to look out for. Also, there are methods now (Like the XK3y) which have been around for a couple of years I believe that to my knowledge, hasn't seen anyone banned because of it. With regards the PS3, someone else would have to speak regarding that. But as for the 360, you can hack now and I'd say your safe.

This is very true, Xk3y is one of the safest XBox 360 mods out there, but don't forget that the PS3 has its share of ODDE (Optical Disc Drive Emulator) as well which are just as good, for example Cobra ODE. Those are pretty expensive solutions though as they all completely replace the optical drive, and I don't think that's what the OP wants.

As far as support is concerned, both systems will continue to be AP-protected as long as they're connected to their respective networks. Sony released the PS4 and they're in no hurry to discontinue the PS3 - it's the same with Microsoft and their systems.

 

[KielMaruVasquez]

• In the long run, both systems will be just as cheap. The difference is that with the PS3, you have to downgrade, and this implies that you'll either have to do it yourself with a firmware flashing kit (an E3 Flasher, for example) or have it downgraded by someone else for you wheras with the 360, all you need is to have it fitted with an RGH chip, which you naturally have to buy. Depending on which option turns out cheaper for you, either console could be modded "cheaply". Techically, a PS3 should be cheaper since it doesn't require a modchip and as such no additional expense outside the console itself provided you can get it with a low enough firmware. If you'll buy a pre-modded system, both will cost you just as much.
• A modchip is an additional chip soldered onto the motherboard of your system which exploits a system vulnerability in order to play backups and launch homebrew, it's a hardware term. A flashing kit is a special kit of devices used to install a firmware earlier than the one on-board by means of connecting it to the console's built-in memory, performing the downgrading procedure and removing it. Custom Firmware is a special, modified firmware allowing you to launch homebrew and/or backups without the need for a modchip.
• As far as online is concerned, you're missing out on the multiplayer portion of games, the shop and some movie/music/streaming services.
• YLOD means Yellow Light of Death, it's an issue of early PS3's. RROD is the Red Ring of Death, it affects early 360'ties. In both cases, the problem was that the CPU's of the systems were becoming so hot that they literally melted the solder on the board and dislodged themselves from it, the solder cracked or the chips cooked themselves. It's rare now, but it used to occur pretty often a couple years back. Right now, durability is pretty much comparable.

Im kinda scared of the chip thing cause it modifies the hardware. Oh and i hope there are people here that offer services to do that. Also, what is this JTAG thing? Ive read about it and it allows you to play downlaoded games. Is that different with the chip thing?
Nah i'll probably wont get that YLOD thing since i wont play that much. Only after work and school (or not).

Oh and i asked my sister what she wanted and she really wants the xbox cause of the kinect. But im kinda leaning towards the ps3 cause i feel like its more.. popular i dont know.
But now i feel like theyre just the same.

About the WII U, no thank you. I mean i liked my Wii before..
And i cant take the wii u seriously and reminds me of this: http://i.imgur.com/LoBdR.gif

 

[Arras]

Im kinda scared of the chip thing cause it modifies the hardware. Oh and i hope there are people here that offer services to do that. Also, what is this JTAG thing? Ive read about it and it allows you to play downlaoded games. Is that different with the chip thing?
Nah i'll probably wont get that YLOD thing since i wont play that much. Only after work and school (or not).

Oh and i asked my sister what she wanted and she really wants the xbox cause of the kinect. But im kinda leaning towards the ps3 cause i feel like its more.. popular i dont know.
But now i feel like theyre just the same.

About the WII U, no thank you. I mean i liked my Wii before..
And i cant take the wii u seriously and reminds me of this: http://i.imgur.com/LoBdR.gif

Not playing much DOES NOT prevent YLODs. As long as it gets the chance to accumulate dust, it can happen - in my experience, it WILL happen. Only phat PS3s suffer from it though, if you get a Slim it should be fine.
Also, Just Dance is like the only interesting game for the Kinect.

 

[Foxi4]

Im kinda scared of the chip thing cause it modifies the hardware. Oh and i hope there are people here that offer services to do that. Also, what is this JTAG thing? Ive read about it and it allows you to play downlaoded games. Is that different with the chip thing?
Nah i'll probably wont get that YLOD thing since i wont play that much. Only after work and school (or not).

Oh and i asked my sister what she wanted and she really wants the xbox cause of the kinect. But im kinda leaning towards the ps3 cause i feel like its more.. popular i dont know.
But now i feel like theyre just the same.

About the WII U, no thank you. I mean i liked my Wii before..
And i cant take the wii u seriously and reminds me of this: http://i.imgur.com/LoBdR.gif

A JTAG is similar to flashing the firmware and installing a custom one on the PS3, but not all XBox'es are JTAG-compatible as far as I know. Contemporarily you either modify the disc drive which gives you backup launching capabilities (you flash a special firmware onto compatible disc drives which can be more or less complicated depending on the drive) or install an RGH chip which is oh-so-much easier and safer than JTAG'ging your system.

As far as popularity goes, both systems go neck-in-neck these days - if you plan on specifically using the system for piracy, you won't be missing anything other than exclusive games either way. If your sister wants to fool around with the Kinect, by all means get a 360. The PS3 has its equivalent (PSMove), however it's not the same thing - it's much more like a Wii.

 

[KielMaruVasquez]

Not playing much DOES NOT prevent YLODs. As long as it gets the chance to accumulate dust, it can happen - in my experience, it WILL happen. Only phat PS3s suffer from it though, if you get a Slim it should be fine.
Also, Just Dance is like the only interesting game for the Kinect.

I agree. I dont even like that game. I dont like moving. Maybe because im just planning to play games alone and my sister is more like.. into those kind of games.
But im kinda feeling like going with 360 because of the modding part.

 

[Foxi4]

I agree. I dont even like that game. I dont like moving. Maybe because im just planning to play games alone and my sister is more like.. into those kind of games.
But im kinda feeling like going with 360 because of the modding part.

If you buy a pre-modded system on EBay and make sure that it's not some old hag that was fixed ten zillion quadrillion times before, the expense will practically be identical. Look at the list of exclusive games, look at the available accessories (Kinect vs. PSMove), have a look at the gamepads and decide which one will give you more comfort and then decide which system suits your needs.

 

[KielMaruVasquez]

A JTAG is similar to flashing the firmware and installing a custom one on the PS3, but not all XBox'es are JTAG-compatible as far as I know. Contemporarily you either modify the disc drive which gives you backup launching capabilities (you flash a special firmware onto compatible disc drives which can be more or less complicated depending on the drive) or install an RGH chip which is oh-so-much easier and safer than JTAG'ging your system.

As far as popularity goes, both systems go neck-in-neck these days - if you plan on specifically using the system for piracy, you won't be missing anything other than exclusive games either way. If your sister wants to fool around with the Kinect, by all means get a 360. The PS3 has its equivalent (PSMove), however it's not the same thing - it's much more like a Wii.

Well the psmove looks retarded. Im checking some games right now and forgot to ask about it. Like which has more games?? I kinda think theyre just the same. But i checked if this one game i like is available for 360.. its not

 

[Foxi4]

Well the psmove looks retarded. Im checking some games right now and forgot to ask about it. Like which has more games?? I kinda think theyre just the same. But i checked if this one game i like is available for 360.. its not

The libraries are about the same size, here's an overview of exclusive content on both systems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_3-only_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Xbox_360-only_games

 

[KielMaruVasquez]

If you buy a pre-modded system on EBay and make sure that it's not some old hag that was fixed ten zillion quadrillion times before, the expense will practically be identical. Look at the list of exclusive games, look at the available accessories (Kinect vs. PSMove), have a look at the gamepads and decide which one will give you more comfort and then decide which system suits your needs.

In case i buy something form ebay, can you easily tell if its an old hag?
Accessory-wise, im leaning towards the ps3 cause i have an old ps2 here and they say i can use the old controller.