NVIDIA Portable Game Console announced at CES

[Foxi4]

I'd say within the next 5 years, the market won't be as profitable and won't be as big.

Are we expecting some massive gamer genocide?

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Are we expecting some massive gamer genocide?

No I just see a lot of people giving up on gaming.

We don't have as many risk taking going on. We're having a lot of consoles that play games. There's hardly any new IP's out, and the ones that are new don't sell. It's not really a whole lot of good signs.

 

[Hadrian]

I don't know, I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for this, but I'm starting to think that the gaming market, is becoming way too flooded with consoles that can play games...
We have this, we have something from valve coming, we have Ouya, WiiU, PS3, 360, PC, even our phones do it. It's getting a little bit ridiculous IMO.

It's becoming to be like fifth generation era where there was Nintendo, Sony, Sega, Bandai, Panasonic, Commodore, Atari, Philips, NEC, FM Towns, Apple, Casio, SNK...only Nintendo and Sony did that well. Sega did fine in Japan though because it had pretty damn great 2D arcade games but in the West it bombed as it didn't get those localised.

Someone is going to bow out of the big three in the next gen, I see it being Sony sadly to be honest. Nintendo has the 3DS & Pokemon to live on and can just regroup if the Wii U continues to do "ok" sales, even then the Wii U will make them profit.

 

[FAST6191]

No I just see a lot of people giving up on gaming.

We don't have as many risk taking going on. We're having a lot of consoles that play games. There's hardly any new IP's out, and the ones that are new don't sell. It's not really a whole lot of good signs.

Add "Among the upper spenders" to the start of that and I might agree, that is a rather large limitation though and not one I see as being all that troublesome. I can see something brewing and possibly coming to a head around five years from now but a mass exodus is not it.

On the N64 I am in no great hurry to return to it and judging by the efforts of the handheld developers it is still 16 bit homage/throwback or something new.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

It's becoming to be like fifth generation era where there was Nintendo, Sony, Sega, Bandai, Panasonic, Commodore, Atari, Philips, NEC, FM Towns, Apple, Casio, SNK...only Nintendo and Sony did that well. Sega did fine in Japan though because it had pretty damn great 2D arcade games but in the West it bombed as it didn't get those localised.

Someone is going to bow out of the big three in the next gen, I see it being Sony sadly to be honest. Nintendo has the 3DS & Pokemon to live on and can just regroup if the Wii U continues to do "ok" sales, even then the Wii U will make them profit.

I actually see Microsoft bowing out first. With their pretty much all attention on Kinect and how bad those games are, when a lot of gamers are starting to realize that Xbox Live is not worth 60 bucks, the horrible advertising you get. Sony has plus and have a great library to live off of. They have games like God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid (I mean the actual canon titles like 4) and not to mention they have the Blu-Ray to go off of too. Microsoft doesn't and only has the OS which a lot of people are divided on Windows 8.

Nintendo has more than just Pokemon.

Like I said, I don't like where gaming is going. It's really not looking good. I mean, me speaking about how people want the same stuff, my friend doesn't like Borderlands and says Borderlands 2 sucks because of it's graphics alone. He said CoD is a better game because of the graphics. If there are more people like him out there who will start to only buy the same stuff all the time, what's going to happen then?

 

[Hadrian]

Nintendo has more than just Pokemon.
?

Definitely but Pokemon alone would keep them earning.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I actually see Microsoft bowing out first. With their pretty much all attention on Kinect and how bad those games are, when a lot of gamers are starting to realize that Xbox Live is not worth 60 bucks, the horrible advertising you get. Sony has plus and have a great library to live off of. They have games like God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid (I mean the actual canon titles like 4) and not to mention they have the Blu-Ray to go off of too. Microsoft doesn't and only has the OS which a lot of people are divided on Windows 8.

Nintendo has more than just Pokemon.

Like I said, I don't like where gaming is going. It's really not looking good. I mean, me speaking about how people want the same stuff, my friend doesn't like Borderlands and says Borderlands 2 sucks because of it's graphics alone. He said CoD is a better game because of the graphics. If there are more people like him out there who will start to only buy the same stuff all the time, what's going to happen then?

The Kinect has sold really well and people still pay for Xbox Live. I mean, you may not like what they're doing, but they're making money off it and are doing quite well.

And even if people are divided on Windows 8, Windows is still an industry standard. Windows XP still and Windows 7 are huge.

 

[retKHAAAN]

I think price-point will still keep ouya relevant. Also, there's the fact that ouya isn't limited to a pocket sized screen for your gaming/streaming...

 

[Deleted_171835]

This already looks more appealing than the Vita.

More games, more powerful, better screen, HDMI out, microSD support, standard set of controls, better battery and the ability to stream PC games to the device. If it's priced right, I'm definitely going to get one.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I think price-point will still keep ouya relevant. Also, there's the fact that ouya isn't limited to a pocket sized screen for your gaming/streaming...

"Limited to a pocket sized screen" is usually what makes those devices sell.

Also I don't see why people are drawing Ouya comparisons when the Ouya is a budget home console and this is probably a higher end mobile device. It's more comparable to those Chinese Android devices, tablets, or smartphones.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

The Kinect has sold really well and people still pay for Xbox Live. I mean, you may not like what they're doing, but they're making money off it and are doing quite well.

And even if people are divided on Windows 8, Windows is still an industry standard. Windows XP still and Windows 7 are huge.

Oh I know, but I mean windows 8 alone.

And I know Kinect and Xbox Live are selling hugely right now, but what about in the future if it doesn't change and more people start to see that the Kinect isn't worth it for the price, and Xbox Live isn't a good alternative when you can get the same experience on a PC or PS4 or whatever. Or hell what about if and when Nintendo brings out a mic that's good for the WiiU? WiiU has an easy online interface and everything and it's free as well.

 

[retKHAAAN]

"Limited to a pocket sized screen" is usually what makes those devices sell.

Also I don't see why people are drawing Ouya comparisons when the Ouya is a budget home console and this is probably a higher end mobile device. It's more comparable to those Chinese Android devices, tablets, or smartphones.

I didn't understand it either but the comparison was on the first page and I cba to read 7 pages of oooh's and aaaah's to see if it's been addressed since...

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Oh I know, but I mean windows 8 alone.

And I know Kinect and Xbox Live are selling hugely right now, but what about in the future if it doesn't change and more people start to see that the Kinect isn't worth it for the price, and Xbox Live isn't a good alternative when you can get the same experience on a PC or PS4 or whatever. Or hell what about if and when Nintendo brings out a mic that's good for the WiiU? WiiU has an easy online interface and everything and it's free as well.

What do you mean "Kinect isn't worth the price"?

You may find all the fitness and dance games to be "shit" but people actually really enjoy them. Just Dance gets alright reviews, so does Dance Central and some of the fitness games. It's a fine device for who it's being marketed to currently.

Xbox Live will live (no pun intended) on brand loyalty most likely. Kids who have a Xbox now will upgrade to a Xbox in the future. It brings Halo, it brings Gears of War, and it brings CoD. So even if it means paying $5/month, they'll do it.

I think you're looking at this all through your perspective, as though the rest of the world is you. Not trying to be offensive here but a lot of people aren't you and they're not seeing your points.

 

[Foxi4]

This already looks more appealing than the Vita.

More games, more powerful, better screen, HDMI out, microSD support, standard set of controls, better battery and the ability to stream PC games to the device. If it's priced right, I'm definitely going to get one.

...Are you serious here?

Let me stress something again... this is an Android device. It plays Android games. Now that we've established that, put yourself in the role of a mobile game developer - you can develop games that will be compatible with a quadrillion of Android devices... or you can develop games for this beast that due to high specs demands will not work on other devices. What's your plan?

...you're going to make standard mobile games until the hardware becomes a standard on the market.

And streaming as a selling point? Really? You can stream stuff from your PC to just about anything I can think of - Android handsets, the PSP (and by proxy also the Vita), even the freaking DS - all it takes is being in one network. Streaming does not necessitate a huge amount of resources as most of the computing is done on the PC side - it's not something you sing songs of glory about. The HDMI port, I'll give you that. microSD? Meh, you buy a memory card just once, but fine - if you say so.

You have to look at the trade-off's - this is hardly something you take outside with you - it's an XBox 360 controller with a screen glued to it, quite literally. I respect the specs inside it, but from a design stand-point, this is not a good handheld console, by no means.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

What do you mean "Kinect isn't worth the price"?

You may find all the fitness and dance games to be "shit" but people actually really enjoy them. Just Dance gets alright reviews, so does Dance Central and some of the fitness games. It's a fine device for who it's being marketed to currently.

Xbox Live will live (no pun intended) on brand loyalty most likely. Kids who have a Xbox now will upgrade to a Xbox in the future. It brings Halo, it brings Gears of War, and it brings CoD. So even if it means paying $5/month, they'll do it.

I think you're looking at this all through your perspective, as though the rest of the world is you. Not trying to be offensive here but a lot of people aren't you and they're not seeing your points.

Oh I know Dance Central is loads fun, but I mean when you look at the number of titles out there, is paying $150 for a camera for a handful of games justifiable? For every good review of a Kinect game, there's like 5 bad ones.

And I know Xbox Live will continue on, and this is through my perspective and I know nobody is with me, I'm just stating what I've noticed. For example, ever since PS+ came out and the PS3 lowered in price, look how many people are jumping ship (well while still having an Xbox). If that trend continues, can you honestly tell me that Microsoft will still be as profitable? Maybe with Halo and Gears and CoD yeah, I won't lie, but I don't know, I've just noticed a huge surge in people who have been going to PS3 after having 360 for years.

I should also stress, If I'm sounding like I'm talking about the PS4 and 720 I'm not, I mean years in the future. I'm just giving my reasons as to why I think Xbox will bow out first.

 

[Filipe C Bello dos Santos]

You gotta be trolling, n64 had tons of classics. Excitebike 64, Mischief Makers, Ogre Battle 64, Donkey Kong 64, Kirby, Paper Mario, and most importantly, HOW DARE YOU forget Blast Corps. Get the fuck outta here.

EDIT: report this for being off topic

Don't be so angry just because i said that N64 was a crappy console and lived under the shadow of PS1. People aways talked about the same 30 games of 300 the console had, but you don't need do be offended by my opinion.
Even Snes had better fighting games than n64 and GBA was 10x better than n64, had better titles and classics that i still wanna play years later.

As for the Shield, i don't see it as a handheld for you use it on a bus, but i think that it will be the most powerfull platform for emulation, like the psp is today

 

[JulietStMoon]

This already looks more appealing than the Vita.

More games, more powerful, better screen, HDMI out, microSD support, standard set of controls, better battery and the ability to stream PC games to the device. If it's priced right, I'm definitely going to get one.

 

[Deleted_171835]

I actually see Microsoft bowing out first. With their pretty much all attention on Kinect and how bad those games are, when a lot of gamers are starting to realize that Xbox Live is not worth 60 bucks, the horrible advertising you get. Sony has plus and have a great library to live off of. They have games like God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid (I mean the actual canon titles like 4) and not to mention they have the Blu-Ray to go off of too. Microsoft doesn't and only has the OS which a lot of people are divided on Windows 8.

Nintendo has more than just Pokemon.

Like I said, I don't like where gaming is going. It's really not looking good. I mean, me speaking about how people want the same stuff, my friend doesn't like Borderlands and says Borderlands 2 sucks because of it's graphics alone. He said CoD is a better game because of the graphics. If there are more people like him out there who will start to only buy the same stuff all the time, what's going to happen then?

Microsoft isn't going to leave the console market anytime soon. The Xbox 360 sells craploads and has enormous brand-power in North America and Europe and there are loads of people signed up on Xbox Live who aren't just going to give up their precious achievements.

Sony screwed up big-time this gen. For the first 4 or so years, the PS3 absolutely bombed. The Vita has bombed. Coming off of the success of the PS2 and PSP, this is embarrassing. Unless they manage to redeem themselves with the PS4, they're the only ones who have a serious chance of being forced to pull out of the console market. God of War and Uncharted (MGS is multiplatform now, just look at Ground Zeroes) are great games but they're not system-sellers.

...Are you serious here?

Let me stress something again... this is an Android device. It plays Android games. Now that we've established that, put yourself in the role of a mobile game developer - you can develop games that will be compatible with a quadrillion of Android devices... or you can develop games for this beast that due to high specs demands will not work on other devices. What's your plan?

...you're going to make standard mobile games until the hardware becomes a standard on the market.

And streaming as a selling point? Really? You can stream stuff from your PC to just about anything I can think of - Android handsets, the PSP (and by proxy also the Vita), even the freaking DS - all it takes is being in one network. Streaming does not necessitate a huge amount of resources as most of the computing is done on the PC side - it's not something you sing songs of glory about. The HDMI port, I'll give you that. microSD? Meh, you buy a memory card just once, but fine - if you say so.

You have to look at the trade-off's - this is hardly something you take outside with you - it's an XBox 360 controller with a screen glued to it, quite literally. I respect the specs inside it, but from a design stand-point, this is not a good handheld console, by no means.

The Android library is much larger than the Vita library (obviously) and actually features a number of good games. The only Android device I have is a 10.1" tablet which isn't suitable for most games. Playing Android games on the beast that is the Tegra 4 is a pretty appealing prospect.

Then there's emulation. Forget emulation on the Vita, emulation on this is where its at. Considering the beast of a system that it is, it should easily be able to emulate every system from the PSX/N64 and below.

Streaming on other devices? Hah, name one device where you can stream with a latency of 33ms with native controller support for your games and support for Steam Big Picture essentially making it a Steam handheld.

I don't play most of my handhelds outside but even then, this isn't that bad. Just as I would put a laptop in my bag, I would stuff this inside my bag and pull it out when I feel like gaming on it.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Microsoft isn't going to leave the console market anytime soon. The Xbox 360 sells craploads and has enormous brand-power in North America and Europe and there are loads of people signed up on Xbox Live who aren't just going to give up their precious achievements.

Sony screwed up big-time this gen. For the first 4 or so years, the PS3 absolutely bombed. The Vita has bombed. Coming off of the success of the PS2 and PSP, this is embarrassing. Unless they manage to redeem themselves with the PS4, they're the only ones who have a serious chance of being forced to pull out of the console market. God of War and Uncharted (MGS is multiplatform now, just look at Ground Zeroes) are great games but they're not system-sellers.

The Android library is much larger than the Vita library (obviously) and actually features a number of good games. The only Android device I have is a 10.1" tablet which isn't suitable for most games. Playing Android games on the beast that is the Tegra 4 is a pretty appealing prospect.

Then there's emulation. Forget emulation on the Vita, emulation on this is where its at. Considering the beast of a system that it is, it should easily be able to emulate every system from the PSX/N64 and below.

Streaming on other devices? Hah, name one device where you can stream with a latency of 33ms with native controller support for your games and support for Steam Big Picture essentially making it a Steam handheld.

I don't play most of my handhelds outside but even then, this isn't that bad. Just as I would put a laptop in my bag, I would stuff this inside my bag and pull it out when I feel like gaming on it.

I'm not talking about them leaving soon, I said them leaving first.


Anyways, I think we're getting a bit off topic. As much as I'd like to continue this discussion, I'm pretty sure everybody is thinking I'm stupid and crazy.

 

[Foxi4]

Microsoft isn't going to leave the console market anytime soon. The Xbox 360 sells craploads and has enormous brand-power in North America and Europe and there are loads of people signed up on Xbox Live who aren't just going to give up their precious achievements.

Sony screwed up big-time this gen. For the first 4 or so years, the PS3 absolutely bombed. The Vita has bombed. Coming off of the success of the PS2 and PSP, this is embarrassing. Unless they manage to redeem themselves with the PS4, they're the only ones who have a serious chance of being forced to pull out of the console market. God of War and Uncharted (MGS is multiplatform now, just look at Ground Zeroes) are great games but they're not system-sellers.

The Android library is much larger than the Vita library (obviously) and actually features a number of good games. The only Android device I have is a 10.1" tablet which isn't suitable for most games. Playing Android games on the beast that is the Tegra 4 is a pretty appealing prospect.

Then there's emulation. Forget emulation on the Vita, emulation on this is where its at. Considering the beast of a system that it is, it should easily be able to emulate every system from the PSX/N64 and below.

Streaming on other devices? Hah, name one device where you can stream with a latency of 33ms with native controller support for your games and support for Steam Big Picture essentially making it a Steam handheld.

I don't play most of my handhelds outside but even then, this isn't that bad. Just as I would put a laptop in my bag, I would stuff this inside my bag and pull it out when I feel like gaming on it.

I suppose you have a point if you treat it in that fashion. To me, if I'm going to carry my handheld in a bag, I might as well take a laptop with me and "game in style".

As far as emulation is concerned, I'm interested how the retail Tegra 4's will look like performance-wise when pitted againts the existing chips, but with quad-cores and NVidia GPU technology on-board, I have no doubt that they'll be pretty amazing.

It's okay a concept, even if I don't like the design, but I don't see it "bursting through the celling", not just yet. Android does have a library of games, but they're no match to what the 3DS or the PSVita have to offer in my opinion - both graphics-wise, feature-wise and lenght-wise. The mobile gaming market is evolving in the right direction, but it isn't quite there yet.