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I’ve read this judge’s opinion about a hundred times now. He can clarify to his heart’s content, that doesn’t change how the law works. It is *an opinion*, not a conviction. It does not make Trump “guilty” of anything.
I am not convinced that the two even met as described, or that the event ever happened. I see no concrete, indisputable material evidence that it did, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. What was presented in court may have been enough to convince a jury as far as civil liability is concerned (after all, it’s only money we’re talking about) but it would be completely insufficient in any kind of criminal proceeding, and it’s insufficient to me. As it stands, Trump hasn’t been found guilty of rape *or* sexual assault, so the distinction is indeed meaningless, especially to me since I don’t think it happened as described, if at all.
Really not sure how you can not be convinced at this point when he has said on tape that he grabs them by the pussy. Then doubling down under sworn deposition saying that rich people get to do that historically.
I’m entitled to have a different opinion than the jury, especially when guilt is not established beyond reasonable doubt.
I only care about things that actually happened, not unproven allegations.
The sheer amount of overwhelming evidence to show that he has done some horrible things to women is beyond dispute. The saying "You're free to your own opinions, just not your own facts" seems to be made just for you.
I’ve read this judge’s opinion about a hundred times now. He can clarify to his heart’s content, that doesn’t change how the law works. It is *an opinion*, not a conviction. It does not make Trump “guilty” of anything.
Really not sure how you can not be convinced at this point when he has said on tape that he grabs them by the pussy. Then doubling down under sworn deposition saying that rich people get to do that historically.
What does one thing have to do with the other? You’re talking about two completely disconnected events. Boasting about alleged sexual conquests is not uncommon.
The sheer amount of overwhelming evidence to show that he has done some horrible things to women is beyond dispute. The saying "You're free to your own opinions, just not your own facts" seems to be made just for you.
I would like to see some overwhelming evidence that he’s done something to Jean E. Carroll specifically, since that’s what the case is about, but none was presented. What was presented was a tangled story, one where the alleged victim doesn’t know what day, month or year it happened with any degree of certainty, what she did before or after, whether she did or didn’t use the change room, one where she wore a dress that likely wasn’t even designed yet and didn’t hit the market until a couple years after her best guesstimate, one she kept and had analysed, but never submitted as evidence, and all of this was relayed to her friends and family, and everybody under the sun, except the police. Let’s not forget that she swears she was fired over the whole affair, except as it turns out she was fired due to pre-existing issues with her editor, which she admitted to when pressed further. The whole thing has so many inconsistencies and raises so many questions that without solid material evidence I simply cannot treat it as anything more than rumour. After such a long stretch of time it would be very hard to produce convincing evidence unless there’s some kind of paper trail or recording of that specific encounter, which there doesn’t seem to be.
It’s not even debatable, this is the judge’s opinion, to which he’s entitled to, but it’s not a conviction and the judge knows this. This was a civil matter. The judge has passed the bar, but you clearly haven’t since you don’t know what you’re reading. He can state his opinion in an interview, or even in an official opinion (which is conveniently labelled as such), that doesn’t make it material fact, let alone a conviction.
Foxi really demonstrating in those last few posts why they're neither credible or someone to be taken seriously in any debate. He always chooses to die on this particular hill.
If you think Trump is guilty of rape then it should be no trouble at all to produce a guilty verdict and a conviction, they’re usually public record. I will eagerly await them. Until then, I am obviously in the right. You should read the header of the document you have initially provided.
What does one thing have to do with the other? You’re talking about two completely disconnected events. Boasting about alleged sexual conquests is not uncommon.
You call them "sexual conquests", normal people call them sexual assault. That's pretty depraved.
" You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
So I'll put this to you again, if your sister/daughter/friend came to you and said someone started grabbing them and trying to kiss them. Would you say "Oh, he's just trying to conquer you. It's all good! It's not rape unless he uses his penis, so no need to get angry. I don't see any real evidence also, so maybe you're just lying"
Are those the comments of someone who isn't screwed in the head?
Foxi really demonstrating in those last few posts why they're neither credible or someone to be taken seriously in any debate. He always chooses to die on this particular hill.
You call them "sexual conquests", normal people call them sexual assault. That's pretty depraved.
"You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
So I'll put this to you again, if your sister/daughter/friend came to you and said someone started grabbing them and trying to kiss them. Would you say "Oh, he's just trying to conquer you. It's all good! It's not rape unless he uses his penis, so no need to get angry. I don't see any real evidence also, so maybe you're just lying"
Are those the comments of someone who isn't screwed in the head?
Men regularly say worse things in private to one another, and having distasteful discourse does not make one a rapist. “Chicks love when you do this or that” is standard affair and basic macho talk - I find it cringe personally, but I’m not the global arbiter of acceptable locker room talk. If you’d like to convince me that the man *raped someone*, which is a very serious allegation indeed, you’ll have to do a little better than “he said some mean things”. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Providing *a date* would be a good start, followed shortly by some evidence that the two met in private and *something could’ve happened*, we can work our way up from there. A photo from an unrelated gala doesn’t count - I meet hundreds of people in passing every single day and I will happily say that I don’t “know” them and haven’t “met” them even if I’m unknowingly (or, frankly, even knowingly - I don’t pay that much attention to strangers, I’ll just smile for the group photo when asked) photographed with many. That’s not what making an acquaintance means. All I have is an alleged location and some of her friends saying it totally happened - not good enough.
If you think Trump is guilty of rape then it should be no trouble at all to produce a guilty verdict and a conviction, they’re usually public record. I will eagerly await them. Until then, I am obviously in the right. You should read the header of the document you have initially provided.
We've been over this with you at least half a dozen times now and it just doesn't take. Whether this is your cognitive dissonance or an intellectual issue I can't say, but it isn't a productive use of our time when you're going to continue to keep your head in the sand intentionally.
Unfortunately, at present we have an active moderator on GBATemp who looks the other way at a sexual assault verdict they don't like the outcome for, which would be a revocation of that position in most respectable online communities.
Thankfully it’s only an anthill so I’m fairly safe from any risk of death, and 100% correct.
Men regularly say worse things in private to one another, and having distasteful discourse does not make one a rapist. “Chicks love when you do this or that” is standard affair and basic macho talk - I find it cringe personally, but I’m not the global arbiter of acceptable locker room talk. If you’d like to convince me that the man *raped someone*, which is a very serious allegation indeed, you’ll have to do a little better than “he said some mean things”. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Providing *a date* would be a good start, followed shortly by some evidence that the two met in private and *something could’ve happened*, we can work our way up from there. A photo from an unrelated gala doesn’t count - I meet hundreds of people in passing every single day and I will happily say that I don’t “know” them and haven’t “met” them even if I’m unknowingly photographed with many. That’s not what making an acquaintance means. All I have is an alleged location and some of her friends saying it totally happened - not good enough.
If there was someone that you knew who talked like that all the time. Then your sister/daughter/friend says that they groped them, who would you believe? Because currently, you're siding with the cringe guy.
We've been over this with you at least half a dozen times now and it just doesn't take. Whether this is your cognitive dissonance or an intellectual issue I can't say, but it isn't a productive use of our time when you're going to continue to keep your head in the sand intentionally.
Unfortunately, at present we have an active moderator on GBATemp who looks the other way at a sexual assault verdict they don't like the outcome for, which would be a revocation of that position in most respectable online communities.
It’s not a guilty verdict, that’s the bone of contention here. A guilty verdict entails no reasonable doubt. Civil liability does not. This is very simple stuff.
Basic reading comprehension and even a cursory understanding of the law inevitably leads one to conclude that people who haven’t been found guilty of a crime are presumed innocent until proven otherwise. Since Trump was not found guilty of a crime, he was not convicted. Very, very simple stuff. You guys will be angrily seething about this to the end of time and even when they close Trump’s casket he will still not be a convicted rapist as you guys wrongly and pigheadedly insist.
If there was someone that you knew who talked like that all the time. Then your sister/daughter/friend says that they groped them, who would you believe? Because currently, you're siding with the cringe guy.
Jean E. Carroll isn’t my sister and trying to manipulate my emotions by injecting family or friends into the equation will not result in a different answer. I might believe someone close to me implicitly because of who they are, but that’s not a good thing - it negatively affects judgement. I will not *know* if they are telling the truth until the facts of the case are laid bare. I would undoubtedly feel hurt and make a bunch of assumptions, which is precisely why it’d make me a bad arbiter. Jean E. Carroll is not trustworthy to me due to her track record of playing loosey goosey with the truth. She is a stranger to me so I have no emotional attachment, which is *good* when deciding someone’s fate. If she was my sister, daughter or friend then I sure as shit wouldn’t want to prosecute the alleged culprit, it would be impossible for me to give them a fair trial, recusing myself would be the move. Someone’s guilt is not contingent on me believing or not believing the alleged victim based solely on personal feeling, what I *feel* is completely immaterial. Feelings aren’t proof.
Even simpler stuff: civil matters exist and people can be found liable. I suppose it's too hard for you to understand.
And look, “Show me the criminal conviction” is not an argument against a civil verdict. It’s you announcing you don’t know the difference. Or rather, you do, but you've chosen to side with the rapist.
Anyway for the benefit of everyone, a judgment from the Court of Appeal affirming that Trump is a rapist.
Now the usual alien waffle will begin about how this is not a criminal conviction. But that is just Foxi wearing his clown shoes since now the whole Hill is about how she is untrustworthy.
Trump is a rapist, it is correct for us to refer to him as such in any context.
Rapist Donald Trump started a conflict with Iran which has caused gas prices to go up - factual statement that offends the sensibilities of the MAGA crowd.
Even simpler stuff: civil matters exist and people can be found liable. I suppose it's too hard for you to understand.
And look, “Show me the criminal conviction” is not an argument against a civil verdict. It’s you announcing you don’t know the difference. Or rather, you do, but you've chosen to side with the rapist.
Anyway for the benefit of everyone, a judgment from the Court of Appeal affirming that Trump is a rapist.
Now the usual alien waffle will begin about how this is not a criminal conviction. But that is just Foxi wearing his clown shoes since now the whole Hill is about how she is untrustworthy.
I’m not sure which part of “beyond reasonable doubt” is difficult to understand. That is the standard to which one must prove the alleged crime. That standard was not met, hence reasonable doubt.
I’m not sure which part of “beyond reasonable doubt” is difficult to understand. That is the standard to which one must prove the alleged crime. That standard was not met, hence reasonable doubt.
You seem to think you get to decide the standards, but you don't. Despite you being like a broken clock you managed to break the old adage: wrong even the two times you're supposed to be correct.
I'd say that in the real world, a jury, a judge and a court of appeal agreeing is well beyond reasonable doubt but hey, keep clinging to that paper-thin literal excuse.
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