SCOTUS about to kill Voting Rights Act

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You are discriminating, and you’re doing it based on race. It’s the textbook definition of the term, this isn’t even a debate worth having.

DISCRMINATING AGAINST WHO @Foxi4

DISCRIMINATION IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME. SO WHO IS GETTING HURT FOXI?

Who is getting hurt when people of color are getting a district that represents how many of them vote and "represent" that fucking district.

 

[SeltzerMist]

You have to make up your mind on whether geographical location is a matter of concern to you or not, you can’t hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at the same time. Place of residence is relevant, that’s why a ridiculous district that stretches like a line across the entire state makes no actual sense.

Intentionally talking circles again as pseudo intellectuals tend to do

What are the two opposed ideas we're holding here?

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DISCRMINATING AGAINST WHO @Foxi4

DISCRIMINATION IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME. SO WHO IS GETTING HURT FOXI?

Who is getting hurt when people of color are getting a district that represents how many of them vote and "represent" that fucking district.

To be honest I'm legitimately starting to think he can't visualize shapes that don't lean towards symmetrical squared or rounded shapes.

As if cities limits would be these outlines.

 

[Foxi4]

DISCRMINATING AGAINST WHO @Foxi4

DISCRIMINATION IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME. SO WHO IS GETTING HURT FOXI?

Who is getting hurt when people of color are getting a district that represents how many of them vote and "represent" that fucking district.

Intentionally talking circles again as pseudo intellectuals tend to do

What are the two opposed ideas we're holding here?

You can’t simultaneously think that geographical location or socio-economic factors don’t matter, but the place of residence of tax payers does. Either you’re interested in what the relevant issues in a given area are and what the fiscal situation is or you don’t. If you can’t present a position on those two fronts that you can be held to in a discussion then the discussion is pointless and over. To me, location and socio-economic factors *trump* race. A pot hole outside of my house will damage both my car and my Indian neighbour’s car all the same. You know who doesn’t care about the pot hole in my neighbourhood? The guy that lives in the hills in a private community - they pave their own private roads. This is not complicated. If you draw a line across my neighbourhood because the houses across the street have 51% black residents and on my side it’s only 49%, we have a big problem, because now the pot hole job is split between two districts, and for no good reason.

 

[SeltzerMist]

A pot hole outside of my house will damage both my car and my Indian neighbour’s car all the same. You know who doesn’t care about the pot hole in my neighbourhood? The guy that lives in the hills in a private community - they pave their own private roads

Yeah I don't think you comprehend what city and county budgets are then.

 

[Foxi4]

Yeah I don't think you comprehend what city and county budgets are then.

I’m sorry that being faced with a very realistic scenario of an infrastructure problem stumped you this bad. It’s not even rare either, countless streets and neighbourhoods are “divided” by district lines to appease various federal quotas, it’s a mess.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-n...ressional-districts-in-wake-of-proposition-50

What do you suggest people do when they live in one district and their next door neighbour, whom they wave hello to every morning, lives in another? You’re acting like it’s an outlandish scenario when it’s material reality. Even the humorous example of a damned pot hole is relevant, forget about scaling the problems upwards until they affect multiple similar municipalities.

 

[SeltzerMist]

While that's an interesting example that some places have city districts to this level, it still doesn't change the core focus of what's being discussed here and your continued dodging of it.

So again yes or no question, were the previous Louisiana districts fine and a fair representation of the tax payers ?

And to clarify, I don't think cities should be districted this way when some tax payers are paying for repairs of other neighborhoods while theirs get neglected.

That said, the current situation is one where liberals areas are subsidizing the red ones yet the red ones somehow, have a lot more say when it comes to policy. And this is the issue at hand.

 

[Foxi4]

While that's an interesting example that some places have city districts to this level, it still doesn't change the core focus of what's being discussed here and your continued dodging of it.

So again yes or no question, were the previous Louisiana districts fine and a fair representation of the tax payers ?

You’re changing the subject because you have no rebuttal, and I won’t let you. What makes it “interesting”? Do you think, hypothetically, that dividing a street into two separate districts based on race, and race explicitly, is a good thing or a bad thing to do for those residents? I’m asking because that’s what the thread is about. I don’t care about an old and invalid map and have no opinion of it because it doesn’t affect my calculus in the here and now - I already said a new map should be drawn, one that prioritises the interests of the residents. For instance by not unnecessarily dividing neighbourhoods. It’s a bad thing when Democrats do it and it’s a bad thing when Republicans do it because it’s a bad thing to do - it’s racial discrimination.

Edit: You seem to have edited your post, it now includes an adequate response to the question posed, so you don’t have to clarify further. I’ll take the “I don’t think cities should do this” as-is.

 

[SeltzerMist]

You’re changing the subject

No I'm bringing back on track you're the one who changed it with your gish galloping and frankly, I believe your derailment is against the rules in the first place.

Rules for we but not for thee?

 

[Foxi4]

No I'm bringing back on track you're the one who changed it with your gish galloping and frankly , I believe your derailment is against the rules in the first place.

Rules for we but not for thee?

I didn’t change the subject at all - I started by saying that districts should not be decided based on race and maintain that position, such quotas create unnecessary and ridiculous divisions that work against the interests of the residents. I even gracefully provided examples of this exact phenomenon to prove my point.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

“Districts shouldn’t be charted based on skin colour” is not a controversial position, race should not be a factor.

Wanna bet that this is instead exactly what will happen?

 

[Foxi4]

Wanna bet that this is instead exactly what will happen?

I should hope not, and if it does, there are mechanisms in place to invalidate such an unfair map, just like this one was invalidated.

 

[SeltzerMist]

I didn’t change the subject at all - I started by saying that districts should not be decided based on race and maintain that position, such quotas create unnecessary and ridiculous divisions that work against the interests of the residents.

Paraphrasing here but:

Louisiana voting districts are being changed to better represent tax payers across the state.

Foxi: How racist!!!

Temper: A judge clarified that this is to undo districts that were designed with racism in the first place.

Foxi: Gosh, I don't think I believe this judge! Also what about this, that, and that other thing here?

This is where conversation with Foxi was always going to become an unreasonable and unproductive one.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I should hope not, and if it does, there are mechanisms in place to invalidate such an unfair map, just like this one was invalidated.

This is a bit silly since you made the same comments when this happened in texas - and they made the gerrymandering even worse.

 

[Foxi4]

Paraphrasing here but:

Louisiana voting districts are being changed to better represent tax payers across the state.

Foxi: How racist!!!

Temper: A judge clarified that this is to undo districts that were designed with racism in the first place.

Foxi: Gosh, I don't think I believe this judge!

This is where conversation with Foxi was always going to become an unreasonable and unproductive one.

You can add colour to it to your heart’s content, Louisiana is not allowed to segregate black people. I don’t think race is a relevant criterion and the fact that it’s a quota at all on a federal level points to thinking that’s outdated by a century.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Louisiana is not allowed to segregate black people.

And yet..

 

[Foxi4]

This is a bit silly since you made the same comments when this happened in texas - and they made the gerrymandering even worse.

I made the same comments? My consistency haunts me, I think racism is bad in Louisiana *and* Texas? Nail me to a cross immediately, just make sure one end is in one district and the other is in another, for added humour.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I made the same comments? My consistency haunts me, I think racism is bad in Louisiana *and* Texas? Nail me to a cross immediately, just make sure one end is in one district and the other is in another, for added humour.

It's funny how somehow you only notice imaginary racism against white people but you are super fine with the very real one against non-whites.

 

[SeltzerMist]

It's funny how somehow you only notice imaginary racism against white people but you are super fine with the very real one against non-whites.

The problem though is that he legitimately doesn't think its racism. Seems to be the case for many in the MAGA cult.

 

[Foxi4]

It's funny how somehow you only notice imaginary racism against white people but you are super fine with the very real one against non-whites.

One of these maps is not like the other.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

The problem though is that he legitimately doesn't think its racism. Seems to be the case for many in the MAGA cult.

it's just the usual parroting of a far-right talking point dressed as something else.

One of these maps is not like the other.

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Indeed, as usual, disproportionate importance is given to empty land.