Fuck AI art

[AkikoKumagara]

My favorite is when people use AI to upscale things (an attempt to add detail that isn't there) or interpolate frames in animation/video content and it just looks completely awful every time.

 

[Cranesbill]

My favorite is when people use AI to upscale things (an attempt to add detail that isn't there) or interpolate frames in animation/video content and it just looks completely awful every time.

Upscale is fine, I get why that exists, tho I feel a little indifferent about it now once I found out PVZ replanted used it on their sprites, and it looked like feces

Post automatically merged: Nov 8, 2025

 

[Noctosphere]

What you describe is "thinking" and giving extra steps to a phrase "typing a prompt" as if it's a complex matter

+ don't call THE Mr.Rogers "dude" This man did more than the past 2 generations will ever do

As I said, if you are not willing to learn AI, then why are you entitled to tell other people to "just learn instead of being lazy"?

 

[Cranesbill]

As I said, if you are not willing to learn AI, then why are you entitled to tell other people to "just learn instead of being lazy"?

What do you learn from AI that thousands of other human resources can do better? The system can make mistakes and give you the wrong advice. Just last week it mistook a bag of Doritos for a gun at a school detection machine

You learn more from reading a book than from outsourcing your thinking to a machine

 

[Noctosphere]

What do you learn from AI that thousands of other human resources can do better? The system can make mistakes and give you the wrong advice. Just last week it mistook a bag of Doritos for a gun at a school detection machine

You learn more from reading a book than from outsourcing your thinking to a machine

You talk like humans are unable to do any mistake

In case you are not aware, machines make less mistake than humans.
You make a machine to do one task, it does the task. If there is a problem, the problem gets fixed on all other machines.

Same goes for self-driving vehicules. If it causes one death because of a malfunction, of course, it's tragic, but this malfunction will get fixed in the next update.
On the other hand, there will always be drunk driver who will cause death, no matter how many you put in jail.

 

[Cranesbill]

You talk like humans are unable to do any mistake

They have sources to back up their claims, they do extensive research on the topic, it's some of their JOBS TO GET IT RIGHT. AI just used whatever pops up first in its search engine, which is mostly Reddit. Do you trust Reddit more than an encyclopedia? (outdated source, sure, there's Wikipedia, it works fine too)

In case you are not aware, machines make less mistake than humans.

Who's checking over the machines? Humans

There are examples where we let it do its own thing and it goes haywire

You make a machine to do one task, it does the task. If there is a problem, the problem gets fixed on all other machines.

No, those are called repairmen

Same goes for self-driving vehicules. If it causes one death because of a malfunction, of course, it's tragic, but this malfunction will get fixed in the next update.
On the other hand, there will always be drunk driver who will cause death, no matter how many you put in jail.

You just glazed over that like it was nothing. Those software bugs can be widespread, ONE single self-driving software flaw can cause many simultaneous crashes across all vehicles under the same brand, or at least a major risk of potentially killing far more people than an individual drunk driver. Fixing an update after many deaths shouldn't be an adequate response, there gotta be stricter measures.
Human drivers are individually accountable and can be removed from the road, but a faulty automated system can remain active until fixed, but what if those patches are delayed? What if they're incompatible with older models?

 

[AlexMCS]

or interpolate frames in animation/video content and it just looks completely awful every time.

You could not be more wrong. Some anime are pretty much unwatchable without SVP improving the FPS to me, specially those 3D ones.

As for AI overall, it's a tool. It all depends on how you use it.
AI art could be used as a basis for inspiration or a throwaway design, simple things.
It's great to get a working template, not a finished product.

AI upscaling is kinda weird, as is automated upscaling overall, since there are way too many possible results that could be downscaled to the original pixel.

Gen AI (LLM, text) has been a great tool for research and time saving, if you know how to build your prompts (demand sources, cut off hallucination/inference, double verify it yourself).

As for the impact on electricity bills, considering we have a curtailment issue over here, I'd say the problem is not energy generation, but storage and distribution.

Solar/Wind power is very widespread, but all that energy is being wasted on low usage times.

Who's checking over the machines? Humans

Humans also check other humans and so on. Error checking is going to be a thing forever, no matter what entity does "thing" because nothing created is perfect in this reality.

However, I expect that, in the future, machines will be programmed to try and self correct.

Those software bugs can be widespread, ONE single self-driving software flaw can cause many simultaneous crashes across all vehicles under the same brand, or at least a major risk of potentially killing far more people than an individual drunk driver.

The same can be said about engineering mistakes on any kind of physical hardware, like design flaws in airplane components.
Singling out software issues is not the "gotcha" you think it is, nor is the fact that the bug existing and being impactful for a single case implies in fatal accidents of many other users.

Fixing an update after many deaths shouldn't be an adequate response, there gotta be stricter measures.
Human drivers are individually accountable and can be removed from the road, but a faulty automated system can remain active until fixed, but what if those patches are delayed? What if they're incompatible with older models?

Welcome to how airplanes have worked since... forever. And how they'll keep existing from now on.

 

[Noctosphere]

You could not be more wrong. Some anime are pretty much unwatchable without SVP improving the FPS to me, specially those 3D ones.

As for AI overall, it's a tool. It all depends on how you use it.
AI art could be used as a basis for inspiration or a throwaway design, simple things.
It's great to get a working template, not a finished product.

AI upscaling is kinda weird, as is automated upscaling overall, since there are way too many possible results that could be downscaled to the original pixel.

Gen AI (LLM, text) has been a great tool for research and time saving, if you know how to build your prompts (demand sources, cut off hallucination/inference, double verify it yourself).

As for the impact on electricity bills, considering we have a curtailment issue over here, I'd say the problem is not energy generation, but storage and distribution.

Solar/Wind power is very widespread, but all that energy is being wasted on low usage times.


Humans also check other humans and so on. Error checking is going to be a thing forever, no matter what entity does "thing" because nothing created is perfect in this reality.

However, I expect that, in the future, machines will be programmed to try and self correct.


The same can be said about engineering mistakes on any kind of physical hardware, like design flaws in airplane components.
Singling out software issues is not the "gotcha" you think it is, nor is the fact that the bug existing and being impactful for a single case implies in fatal accidents of many other users.


Welcome to how airplanes have worked since... forever. And how they'll keep existing from now on.

I agree with everything you said except for the Frame Interpolation.
While it is true that it might improve the quality in 3D animation, in pure 2D animation, it can worsen it. Since 3D has actual fludity in movement, it's quite easy for AI to guess what frame should be between two other frames. But in pure 2D animation, there are cases where two consecutive frames would make no sense for the AI, and rendering a frame in between those two would make even less sense. Humans can be unprecise sometime, and when drawing a 2D character running across the road, sometime, his leg will be a bit too on the left, sometime, his arm will be a bit too on the right. When the video is playing, you can barely see such animation error, since it's moving fast, and it might last only one frame over one second. But animation studio use duplications for these scenes. And if you add frame interpolation, you will worsen that animation mistake (time 2? Times 4?) And see it for 4 or 5 seconds.

 

[Cranesbill]

The same can be said about engineering mistakes on any kind of physical hardware, like design flaws in airplane components.
Singling out software issues is not the "gotcha" you think it is, nor is the fact that the bug existing and being impactful for a single case implies in fatal accidents of many other users.

But unlike physical hardware flaws, which are limited by production batches and maintenance cycles, software can be instantly replicated, with just one single line of bad code and it can propagate to millions of systems in seconds through an update.

A mechanical flaw might cause one plane to fail at a time (which lets hope that doesn't happen right now as we speak, poor Kentucky) a software bug in a global, connected fleet can cause thousands of vehicles to malfunction simultaneously.

Welcome to how airplanes have worked since... forever. And how they'll keep existing from now on.

Dude, Aviation operates under REALLY strict regulations, maintenance, and all kinds of processes that don’t apply to consumer-level systems like self-driving cars or ChatGPT. They all must go through countless tests, fail-safes, and regulatory approval before deployment. The others on the other hand often rely on over-the-air updates with much less oversight.

AND, AT MOST there are about 40,000 aircraft worldwide, compared to the potentially millions of machinery, computers, etc. A system failure in aviation affects relatively few units and is contained quickly, I feel like you're not accounting for scale here

As for the impact on electricity bills, considering we have a curtailment issue over here, I'd say the problem is not energy generation, but storage and distribution.

Solar/Wind power is very widespread, but all that energy is being wasted on low usage times.

A hundred word email generated wastes about one water bottle to use (weird comparison, but it's still wasteful) or powering 14 lightbulbs for one hour

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/18/energy-ai-use-electricity-water-data-centers/

The dozens of AI servers are kept in hot data centers that needs water to cool the equipment as well as energy to run them, with ONE chatGPT request needing 10 times as much energy as a quick Google search

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindyg...-loss-of-our-scarcest-natural-resource-water/
https://www.latimes.com/environment...nceal-water-and-power-demands-of-ai-computing

 

[Magnus87]

Businesses will be the first to want to see that energy consumption decrease, so it's just a matter of waiting for the process to improve.

Furthermore, on the other hand, there will be a push to have the process done locally and not from an external server.

We've seen this before when there was a supercomputer in a room and then several terminals, which were just "dumb boxes" since the processing was done elsewhere, very similar to what we do now with web services. Everything comes back around. XD

 

[Noctosphere]

Businesses will be the first to want to see that energy consumption decrease, so it's just a matter of waiting for the process to improve.

Furthermore, on the other hand, there will be a push to have the process done locally and not from an external server.

We've seen this before when there was a supercomputer in a room and then several terminals, which were just "dumb boxes" since the processing was done elsewhere, very similar to what we do now with web services. Everything comes back around. XD

There is a startup in Quebec who is trying to deploy a new technology to decrease that energy consumption from AI center.
Don't ask me all the detail about how it works, but in short, they wanted to use that heat released from these servers to generate energy. Some kind of "energy recycling". The 1000KW consummed from the machines would release heat that could be converted into 100KW of more energy (or something like that) that could be reused by the center itself, as if it had its own powerplant powered by heat.
It was a technology that was already available (or that could already be built) but not efficient/profitable enough to be built anywhere since we had no structure that would produce so much heat.

 

[Cranesbill]

Businesses will be the first to want to see that energy consumption decrease, so it's just a matter of waiting for the process to improve.

Furthermore, on the other hand, there will be a push to have the process done locally and not from an external server.

We've seen this before when there was a supercomputer in a room and then several terminals, which were just "dumb boxes" since the processing was done elsewhere, very similar to what we do now with web services. Everything comes back around. XD

Too bad those consumers would rather see improved performance, speed, and capability over energy savings, espeically since there's an AI race apparently

https://unherd.com/newsroom/alex-karp-we-will-have-fewer-rights-if-america-loses-ai-race/
https://qz.com/nvidia-jensen-huang-china-ai-comments

 

[AkikoKumagara]

You could not be more wrong. Some anime are pretty much unwatchable without SVP improving the FPS to me, specially those 3D ones.

Interpolated frames look disgusting. I'm not wrong for thinking so. It's an opinion.

Post automatically merged: Nov 9, 2025

Upscale is fine, I get why that exists, tho I feel a little indifferent about it now once I found out PVZ replanted used it on their sprites, and it looked like feces

Yeah, the output isn't good, regardless of algo, which is kind of my point. It's hardly better than just upscaling without using AI then putting a blur on top of the upscaled output hahaha.
There comes a point where just redrawing/painting things at a higher resolution makes more sense.

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Interpolated frames look disgusting. I'm not wrong for thinking so. It's an opinion.

Interpolation (and AI by extension) looks wrong because we are used to animation following certain principles and fundamentals that make everything feel cohesive and pleasing.

Computers don't know anything about that, they are just following a math equation. Even the "better" AI made animation that someone showcased on this thread about One Punch Man S3 looks very wrong because the timing it's very poorly done.

This is not gaming, more fps are actually detrimental to animation itself, to the point that a lot of animations are done in twos or threes because of a variety of reasons (stylization, timing, easier to do, serves a purpose on the scene, etc).

 

[AlexMCS]

ut unlike physical hardware flaws, which are limited by production batches and maintenance cycles, software can be instantly replicated, with just one single line of bad code and it can propagate to millions of systems in seconds through an update.

It can also be instantly patched, and you'd need a very serious F-up to make all affected devices go wrong at the same time.

Aviation operates under REALLY strict regulations, maintenance, and all kinds of processes that don’t apply to consumer-level systems like self-driving cars or ChatGPT. They all must go through countless tests, fail-safes, and regulatory approval before deployment. The others on the other hand often rely on over-the-air updates with much less oversight.

That's an issue of regulation then, not a design flaw of the process itself.

In addition, I'm quite sure companies wouldn't enjoy the brand backlash and criminal charges over a software flaw killing people, so I don't think they'll be lax with QA and failsafing/foolproofing their assets, software included.

I don't know about how things work on your country, but at least over here, it's not that simple to get your product out on the streets. There are some severe regulations, specially for cars.

AND, AT MOST there are about 40,000 aircraft worldwide, compared to the potentially millions of machinery, computers, etc. A system failure in aviation affects relatively few units and is contained quickly, I feel like you're not accounting for scale here

Consider history.
How many failures due to a software bug with casualties have been recorded in history? And how many casualties?
From my (AI-powered) research, the death toll for software flaws is under 500 people, and most of those were.. in a plane crash.
The other being a radioactive device... from the 80s.

All of those are at least 20 years old.

The top 3 plane accidents in the last 10 years have killed more people. (Thanks again, AI).
Out of those 2 (with over 300 dead) are suspected to be due to hardware design flaws.

A hundred word email generated wastes about one water bottle to use (weird comparison, but it's still wasteful) or powering 14 lightbulbs for one hour (goes on detailing resource usage).

Let's talk about resource usage then, but not in a vacuum.

A ChatGPT search, despite being 10 times more expensive, electricity wise, than a single google search, is far more productive, since it will actually check the results for the expected information.

I'd wager a lot of manual google searches are more resource expensive overall than a single, well made, AI-powered prompt.

As for water usage, that's entirely a matter of how the cooling system works.
There are data centers with near zero water usage after the initial pooling thanks to recycling.

Interpolated frames look disgusting. I'm not wrong for thinking so. It's an opinion.

They make a lot of anime more watchable. I concede that it's an opinion, but it's one I generally disagree with.
I can't even watch some anime at 24 FPS anymore, as it looks incredibly jarring.

Interpolation looks very weird and uncanny on live action though, and I wish TVs stopped adding it as a default feature.

in pure 2D animation, it can worsen it.

Just give SVP a try in recent titles.
I have yet to see anything worse than mild/minor artifacts, which are a more than welcome downside for the increased fluidity, and that's with me setting it to a fixed 120 fps.

Then again, there are people who can't tell 30 fps from 60, so YMMV.

 

[Cranesbill]

It can also be instantly patched, and you'd need a very serious F-up to make all affected devices go wrong at the same time.

Highly possible, let's also account hacker breach or they hired the wrong employee. Remember last year?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8vedz4yk7o

That's an issue of regulation then, not a design flaw of the process itself.

In addition, I'm quite sure companies wouldn't enjoy the brand backlash and criminal charges over a software flaw killing people, so I don't think they'll be lax with QA and failsafing/foolproofing their assets, software included.

I don't know about how things work on your country, but at least over here, it's not that simple to get your product out on the streets. There are some severe regulations, specially for cars.

Did you like, not read anything I typed before? That's exactly what I want, more regulation for AI, so I'm glad we're on the same page there

Consider history.
How many failures due to a software bug with casualties have been recorded in history? And how many casualties?
From my (AI-powered) research, the death toll for software flaws is under 500 people, and most of those were.. in a plane crash.
The other being a radioactive device... from the 80s.

All of those are at least 20 years old.

The top 3 plane accidents in the last 10 years have killed more people. (Thanks again, AI).
Out of those 2 (with over 300 dead) are suspected to be due to hardware design flaws.

Don't humanize that crap. Someone committed suicide because they treated an AI like a person.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-chatbot-relationships-teenagers/86745562007/
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-...-safety-openai-meta-characterai-teens-suicide
(The "thanks AI" part in case in you go, "????what???")

Anyways, that’s because that kind of software hasn’t yet been deployed at a massive, safety-critical basis across daily life, but now it will be with the growing demand and investments, but there's no proper ordinance, we're heading down a risky path where those numbers oughta increase tremendously.

"ooh ooh of course they'll add more barriers once they implement it more on things" here's the thing also, we're going way too fast with this because of some stupid race. Why the rush?? Why risk so much??? The potential of innovation is there, but we can't reach too close to the sun

Even a rare bug affecting 0.069% of units could mean hundreds or thousands of incidents worldwide when scaled to millions of systems.

Let's talk about resource usage then, but not in a vacuum.

A ChatGPT search, despite being 10 times more expensive, electricity wise, than a single google search, is far more productive, since it will actually check the results for the expected information.

More productive ≠ less resource intensive

Each large-model query still consumes more energy and compute resources like GPU time, memory, data movement than a text-index lookup. Even if you save time as, the energy cost per query remains much higher on the backend.

+ Literally what I stated before, it will check the most popular results, sites like Reddit too, where if you ask if rocks are edible, the bot will say yes because it doesn't do its research, it just checks what's prominent and passes it off as factual

Or glue for your Pizza

I'd wager a lot of manual google searches are more resource expensive overall than a single, well made, AI-powered prompt.

But the market rises with each business wanting their own AI model, being integrated into every app, site, and device, the total energy footprint scales exponentially, not linearly. I mean Minecraft has its own AI, WHY?? What kind of overflated market is this??? His name is Merl ._.

As for water usage, that's entirely a matter of how the cooling system works.
There are data centers with near zero water usage after the initial pooling thanks to recycling.

Most still rely on evaporative cooling, which consumes mega amounts of water, often in regions already facing kinda bit of scarcity.
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ai-data-center-growth-deepens-water-security-concerns-in-high-stress-states-report/?

Even when recycling systems are installed, there's still a need for energy overhead, and many of those facilities still use freshwater for top-up due to contamination and evaporation losses.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/688cb407dc6688ed50878367/Water_use_in_data_centre_and_AI_report.pdf?

Even if cooling technologies improve, the sheer scale of growth in data-centre capacity by then means those regional water risks become material. Look at the first article again, nearly two-thirds of new data centres (since 2022) are in locations with “high levels of water stress” in the U.S

 

[AlexMCS]

Why the rush?? Why risk so much???

Greed. Can't help it.

Don't humanize that crap. Someone committed suicide because they treated an AI like a person.

That was not directed at the AI like it was a human. It'll never be.
It's in the same way you say "thanks, thing", as a general "thank you for existing".
General gratitude. For some, even to God or a higher being.

People "unliving" themselves is a sad outcome regardless.

Yes, I agree with you that we need more regulation, and that goes for any data usage at all, not only AI.
GDPR and such are far from what's actually needed.

I also have yet to envision how an AI software flaw can lead to the death of multiple people.
Maybe just the very ignorant, non intelligent, which shouldn't be using the tool in the first place (hence, the need for more regulation).
You don't simply hand guns to children.

More productive ≠ less resource intensive

If 1 prompt saves me 20 minutes of clicking and researching (and that includes many google searches), it's a direct economy of resources. That much should be clear even to you.

Additionally, not all LLMs work the same... Gemini/Google's AI is still usually not half as useful as ChatGPT using models o4 or o5, nor is Copilot, Deepseek etc.

Eventually, people will be running their models locally (some already do, heck, even I could atm, since my current rig is almost top end for gaming), and all this overblown talk about eco-issues will be nonexistant.

Literally what I stated before, it will check the most popular results, sites like Reddit too, where if you ask if rocks are edible, the bot will say yes because it doesn't do its research, it just checks what's prominent and passes it off as factual

Which is why you ask for sources and use your own brain to judge whether what's said has any sense.
There are questions which do not need extra steps, and questions that do.

It's a great tool for "templating", as it's basically trying to output the "most likely" average "knowledge" about a subject.
So, you need an idea for art, a quick text reference on a subject, how to devise simply code skeletons, it's got your back.
If you need a summary, or a summarized research on a specific subject, it's also great, doubly so when trained for that subject.

When there is little known information, or when there is no consensus, you shouldn't trust LLM output at all.
So, opinions, very niche subjects, controversies, fringe science etc.

It's also a curated tool. People can and will point out the mistakes, allowing the tool to improve.
If you ask "how many rocks shall I eat", you won't get trash responses anymore, even from Gemini.

P.S.: If you ask me, honestly, not everyone should be accessing the Internet freely, as they lack the needed capacity to do so.

The same goes for other important things in life, like voting in a democracy: while it achieves the goal of representing everyone, it goes against the goal of being the best outcome for a populace, because, on average, humans are stupid. in a broader sense of the word, as in most of us can't evaluate see mid/long term consequences at all, for many circumstances. Some can't even see how terrible things are gonna be in the next few seconds, or take unnecessary risks all the time.

 

[Noctosphere]

Don't humanize that crap. Someone committed suicide because they treated an AI like a person.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-chatbot-relationships-teenagers/86745562007/
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-...-safety-openai-meta-characterai-teens-suicide
(The "thanks AI" part in case in you go, "????what???")

We can't stop people from being stupid. Sorry, but not sorry, there are people who ate TidePods (food poisoning), who ate whole spoon of cinnamon (lungs/trachea irritation + choking hasard), who put ice and salt on their body (burn scars), who drank tons of benadryl (drug overdoses) because they wanted to look cool online. No AI were involved here. People were, are, and will always be stupid, they didn't, don't and never will need AI for that.

More productive ≠ less resource intensive

Each large-model query still consumes more energy and compute resources like GPU time, memory, data movement than a text-index lookup. Even if you save time as, the energy cost per query remains much higher on the backend.

+ Literally what I stated before, it will check the most popular results, sites like Reddit too, where if you ask if rocks are edible, the bot will say yes because it doesn't do its research, it just checks what's prominent and passes it off as factual

Or glue for your Pizza

Should I say it again? AI says "eating one rock a day is good", but are you going to do it because AI told you to?
If you do, well, it proves that people are stupid. Even if AI tells me this, I can still think by myself and say "Yea... I will not"
As for the false result, AI is nothing new at this. One famous example is if you google Eiichiro Oda and go in the image section. A lot of the result you will get are actually pictures of Eiji Aonuma. And yet, a lot of fans thinks this is him (FYI, there are no recent pictures of Eiichiro Oda available online. Most of them are from 20 years ago)


Now, it's up to you to understand this. AI is still a new technology, you can't put all the blame on it. If some teenager commit suicide because AI told him to, I would rather put the blame on him/his parent rather than AI. Sorry not sorry, but I'll say it again, people are stupid (I'm not saying I'm not, I'm a person too, but sometime, you have to think by yourself)

 

[lightwo]

We can't stop people from being stupid. Sorry, but not sorry, there are people who ate TidePods (food poisoning), who ate whole spoon of cinnamon (lungs/trachea irritation + choking hasard), who put ice and salt on their body (burn scars), who drank tons of benadryl (drug overdoses) because they wanted to look cool online. No AI were involved here. People were, are, and will always be stupid, they didn't, don't and never will need AI for that.



Should I say it again? AI says "eating one rock a day is good", but are you going to do it because AI told you to?
If you do, well, it proves that people are stupid. Even if AI tells me this, I can still think by myself and say "Yea... I will not"
As for the false result, AI is nothing new at this. One famous example is if you google Eiichiro Oda and go in the image section. A lot of the result you will get are actually pictures of Eiji Aonuma. And yet, a lot of fans thinks this is him (FYI, there are no recent pictures of Eiichiro Oda available online. Most of them are from 20 years ago)


Now, it's up to you to understand this. AI is still a new technology, you can't put all the blame on it. If some teenager commit suicide because AI told him to, I would rather put the blame on him/his parent rather than AI. Sorry not sorry, but I'll say it again, people are stupid (I'm not saying I'm not, I'm a person too, but sometime, you have to think by yourself)

By extension, I'd like to add emphasis on the way "AI" is marketed. It isn't necessarily people being dumb, it's often that they use it as if they're talking to a person and not ever questioning what it says.

Also, the "AI"-related suicides are less about the victim being dumb and more about emotional disorder. If it speaks like a person and looks like it tries to think like a person, to a depressed teen, it stops making a difference. That definitely shifts the problem to parents to a great degree, but the ultimate problem are the great misconceptions that avid "AI" users make up or are being told by "AI" companies.

 

[Magnus87]

Every milliliter of water is worth it