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they already automatically assume anyone with a conservative mindset is a fascist/nazi/the babadook.
Pretty stupid to keep proving them correct in that assumption. No prominent conservative voices denounced these texts, after all, but several did try to justify/defend them.
 
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What I will say is that the whole “getting rid of the undesirables” shtick you’re selling me is a pretty slow boil given the fact that it’s Trump’s fifth year in office now and, so far, the only thing that actually materialised that’s noteworthy is a very aggressive push in regards to immigration law enforcement and deportations. That would be a fair point to raise if it wasn’t the same platform his predecessor ran on - border security, including physical barriers and deportations.
And was ice going into the streets deporting first, questions later during Biden? No?
Was ICE bouncing people around from state to state so they couldn't get in touch with their lawyers and family? No?
Did we have a supreme court the legalizing skin color as probable cause under Biden? No?

Biden's shit is still awful, and he was carrying on what Trump already started.

But we didn't have godamn citizens get caught reliably in the crossfire. We didn't have ice picking up people in the middle of the street in broad daylight and wisking them away. We didn't have working people with legitimate visas, or people who's immigration status was in limbo but was being dealt within the courts suddenly not be present for their hearings but they aren't in the states anymore. Because ice deported them first.


So the fact that you don't consider that "noteworthy" screams volumes about yourself.
 
It’s called an analogy. “Thing X causes death, including deaths of children. Should we get rid of thing X? I don’t know, do the pros outweigh the cons?” - very simple concept. Automobiles in private hands became indispensable for daily commutes and commerce. Does it cause deaths on the roads? Yes. Is it unfortunate? Yes. Will we do something about it? Yes, we’ll tweak legislation to ensure the vehicles and roads are as safe as they can be. Are we going to ban automobiles to protect people? No, not in the foreseeable future anyway.
You can walk into a dealership and buy any car you like at any time, there is no license required for vehicle ownership. Nobody is going to run a background check on you at the lot. You might be thinking of a license to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. Anyone who misled you into thinking that you need a license to buy a car owes you an apology, and there are plenty of drivers on the road with an invalid license, a suspended license or no license at all. Statistics indicate that 9% of motorists on U.S. roads are not licensed to drive, so nearly 1 in 10. This is not accounting for the estimated 11 million drivers with suspended licenses since they’re technically licensed, just not permitted to drive temporarily.

Guns are *orders of magnitude* more regulated than cars are, both in terms of their specification *and* in terms of who gets to purchase them. Forget about seatbelts, the ATF will be on your case if your stock is a little too short, or too long, or the wrong shape. Besides, there’s a huge laundry list of conditions that are disqualifying for a potential buyer before they even open their wallet, including (but not limited to) pending/current convictions, history of violence, mental health or substance abuse, or just ticking the wrong box on a form. The myth of walking into a store with a wad of cash and leaving with a weapon is just that - a myth. It’s not GTA. The “purpose” of the item is immaterial, and even if it was relevant, it’s presumptuous of you to assume that people buy guns “to hurt someone”. The opposite is true - guns are often bought for purposes other than self-defense. Even those that *are* bought for self-defense are purchased with the hope that one will never have to use them to shoot another human. If you tell a gun dealer that you’re buying a pistol “to hurt someone”, you’re not getting that pistol, that’s the wrong answer.
You're conflating two different kinds of regulations. I have no idea about gun manufacturing. Even if it is tightly controlled that’s about the specs of the weapon. The conversation was about use and ownership, where cars are regulated to an extreme degree.

To legally drive you need training, a license, registration, insurance, checking for license renewals, and have to follow countless laws. You’re tracked by VIN, license plate, and insurance databases every time you use it publicly. By comparison once you buy a gun, there’s almost no ongoing oversight. Usually no training requirement, no insurance, no renewals, no national registry, and in many states, no background check for private sales.

Bringing up unlicensed drivers actually furthers my point. Even with strict regulations and active enforcement, some people still break the law. The difference is that when that happens with cars, you can easily be caught. There are actual systems in place. With guns there basically aren’t.

I'm fine with people buying a gun, don't get me wrong. But there are so so SOOOOO many things that can be done to help get things under control that aren't be. Things that the vast majority of people agree with. But the gun lobby doesn't allow to happen. Something as basic as getting a license should make everyone feel at ease. Knowing to keep your finger off the trigger unless you intend to shoot is basic, but so many people don't even know that much.
 
Pretty stupid to keep proving them correct in that assumption. No prominent conservative voices denounced these texts, after all, but several did try to justify/defend them.
Of course not, for the reason I already listed. They’d have to be nuts to even address it, and any form of defense would just be treated as an admission of some kind of guilt.
And was ice going into the streets deporting first, questions later during Biden? No?
Was ICE bouncing people around from state to state so they couldn't get in touch with their lawyers and family? No?
Did we have a supreme court the legalizing skin color as probable cause under Biden? No?

Biden's shit is still awful, and he was carrying on what Trump already started.

But we didn't have godamn citizens get caught reliably in the crossfire. We didn't have ice picking up people in the middle of the street in broad daylight and wisking them away. We didn't have working people with legitimate visas, or people who's immigration status was in limbo but was being dealt within the courts suddenly not be present for their hearings but they aren't in the states anymore. Because ice deported them first.


So the fact that you don't consider that "noteworthy" screams volumes about yourself.
I was talking about the Obama-Biden administration specifically, since the Biden-Harris administration wasn’t characterised by anything noteworthy, at least nothing immediately comes to mind. In many ways it was just Obama 2.0, except Lite. I figured you would’ve gathered that with me linking Obama’s WH page and all, but oh well. His raids were widely publicised as well, along with the cages, all that jazz. That’s in the past though, I was just drawing a policy parallel. With a renewed and strengthened focus on immigration it’s no surprise some citizens do get caught in the crossfire, especially with all the new hires that perhaps don’t have the best of training yet. I hope that the situation improves, but it’s not exactly new.
You're conflating two different kinds of regulations. I have no idea about gun manufacturing. Even if it is tightly controlled that’s about the specs of the weapon. The conversation was about use and ownership, where cars are regulated to an extreme degree.

To legally drive you need training, a license, registration, insurance, checking for license renewals, and have to follow countless laws. You’re tracked by VIN, license plate, and insurance databases every time you use it publicly. By comparison once you buy a gun, there’s almost no ongoing oversight. Usually no training requirement, no insurance, no renewals, no national registry, and in many states, no background check for private sales.

Bringing up unlicensed drivers actually furthers my point. Even with strict regulations and active enforcement, some people still break the law. The difference is that when that happens with cars, you can easily be caught. There are actual systems in place. With guns there basically aren’t.

I'm fine with people buying a gun, don't get me wrong. But there are so so SOOOOO many things that can be done to help get things under control that aren't be. Things that the vast majority of people agree with. But the gun lobby doesn't allow to happen. Something as basic as getting a license should make everyone feel at ease. Knowing to keep your finger off the trigger unless you intend to shoot is basic, but so many people don't even know that much.
All I said was that you can go to a dealership, purchase a car, have a buddy drive it off the lot for you, take the wheel around the bend and you’re sorted. In fact, in some states you can even legally register the vehicle at the DMV with no legal right to drive it. You can’t do that with a firearm, there’s a myriad of checks before and at the point of purchase - *significantly more* than when purchasing or registering a vehicle, which amounts to a giant piece of steel that you can drive at reckless speeds if you so wish. Criminals will always break laws, we’re in agreement there, but you made it seem like guns are some unregulated field when in reality they’re *extremely* well-regulated. Can we do more to make sure they don’t end up in the wrong hands? We can always do more. As you say, the roads are patrolled every single day by thousands of cops and yet here we are with a tenth of drivers driving without a license. My point is that you can only do *so much*, at some point you necessarily get diminishing returns. There’s only so many variables you can control with regulation before you’re left with the root causes of gun violence which are much, much harder to tackle.
 
Of course not, for the reason I already listed. They’d have to be nuts to even address it, and any form of defense would just be treated as an admission of some kind of guilt.
Yeah it's clear after Vance calling 30-year-olds "kids" and Mike Johnson saying the party "defended that evil ideology (nazism)" that they do know the party is guilty of allowing fascist thoughts and ideas to permeate it. They won't even do the bare minimum in appearing to distance themselves any more.
 
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All I said was that you can go to a dealership, purchase a car, have a buddy drive it off the lot for you, take the wheel around the bend and you’re sorted. In fact, in some states you can even legally register the vehicle at the DMV with no legal right to drive it. You can’t do that with a firearm, there’s a myriad of checks before and at the point of purchase - *significantly more* than when purchasing or registering a vehicle, which amounts to a giant piece of steel that you can drive at reckless speeds if you so wish. Criminals will always break laws, we’re in agreement there, but you made it seem like guns are some unregulated field when in reality they’re *extremely* well-regulated. Can we do more to make sure they don’t end up in the wrong hands? We can always do more. As you say, the roads are patrolled every single day by thousands of cops and yet here we are with a tenth of drivers driving without a license. My point is that you can only do *so much*, at some point you necessarily get diminishing returns. There’s only so many variables you can control with regulation before you’re left with the root causes of gun violence which are much, much harder to tackle.
I feel like we're trying to make two different points here. Your point is that gun purchases involve a lot of checks during the sale, and I'm not saying that those rules don't exist. My point is what happens after purchase. Once a gun is in someone's hands, there’s almost no oversight. No renewal of a license, no mandatory training, no insurance, no extra mental health checks, no checking to see if a 90 year old can still see clearly, and in most states no tracking.

On the other hand, cars are continuously regulated. You have to renew a license, insurance, registration, follow the laws, and you’re actively monitored every time you drive. That ongoing system is why we can reasonably lower risk even though some people still break the rules. With guns, the regulatory system mostly stops after the sale, which is why the risk is harder to manage.
 
Yeah it's clear after Vance calling 30-year-olds "kids" and Mike Johnson saying the party "defended that evil ideology (nazism)" that they do know the party is guilty of allowing fascist thoughts and ideas to permeate it. They won't even do the bare minimum in appearing to distance themselves any more.
For what purpose? Why would they possibly prostrate themselves for gaggle of left-wingers who consider them to be demons anyway? Because some people memed a little too hard in a private chatroom? Will they suddenly get your vote if they do that? I think not. If they have any sense in their heads, they’ll deal with it internally on the down-low and won’t waste the time of day explaining away crude humour. Unfortunately they have very little sense and it will be “a whole thing” until everybody forgets about it when the next “thing” to be upset about rolls around - it’s a pretty rapid news cycle.
I feel like we're trying to make two different points here. Your point is that gun purchases involve a lot of checks during the sale, and I'm not saying that those rules don't exist. My point is what happens after purchase. Once a gun is in someone's hands, there’s almost no oversight. No renewal of a license, no mandatory training, no insurance, no extra mental health checks, no checking to see if a 90 year old can still see clearly, and in most states no tracking.

On the other hand, cars are continuously regulated. You have to renew a license, insurance, registration, follow the laws, and you’re actively monitored every time you drive. That ongoing system is why we can reasonably lower risk even though some people still break the rules. With guns, the regulatory system mostly stops after the sale, which is why the risk is harder to manage.
What makes you think that? Such regulations vary between states, but many states do require training prior to a purchase, and if your intention is to carry, an LTC does require both firearms safety training and periodical renewal. Depending on the state this often entails fingerprinting and re-training. I’m not necessarily opposed to that kind of regulation - I’d like to know that people who carry their weapons in public know how to use them responsibly. Fact of the matter is that, realistically, anyone who owns a firearm is one felony away from not being able to own one anymore. I don’t know, the more we talk about this the more I’m convinced you’re not super familiar with how these things work in practice, no offense intended. Some states implement constitutional carry, sure, but those things are decided on the state, not national level, and it’d probably be difficult to standardise federally.
 
For what purpose?
For one, to maybe reclaim some of their lost and sinking approval with level-headed conservatives and moderates. Doubling down only further proves that they'd sooner reject democracy than reject extremism. It also demonstrates that they had no intention to stick with their commitment to reduce or eliminate political violence in the wake of Kirk's murder, don't think that lasted even two weeks.

Unfortunately they have very little sense and it will be “a whole thing” until everybody forgets about it when the next “thing” to be upset about rolls around - it’s a pretty rapid news cycle.
Yep, and too bad for them, the next "thing" is the same thing. After these texts and the swastika flag congressman, Trump's pick to lead the DOJ's special counsel office has now been outed as a nazi too. And a self-described one, at that.
 
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For one, to maybe reclaim some of their lost and sinking approval with level-headed conservatives and moderates. Doubling down only further proves that they'd sooner reject democracy than reject extremism.
Nah. That’s not how it works at all. The sooner they move on from this the better.
Yep, and too bad for them, the next "thing" is the same thing. After these texts and the swastika flag congressman, Trump's pick to lead the DOJ's special counsel office has now been outed as a nazi too. And a self-described one, at that.
Yeah, someone posted this earlier, I had a quick skim. They’ll have to find another pick I suppose, talk about stumbling on the last yard. A little too hot to confirm now. So long as they don’t devolve into silly infighting for goofy updoots they’ll be just fine.
 
Nah. That’s not how it works at all. The sooner they move on from this the better.
That's not how it works because they believe they're past the point of needing anyone's vote. They're counting on a corrupt supreme court to put the fix in for all future elections.
 
That's not how it works because they believe they're past the point of needing anyone's vote. They're counting on a corrupt supreme court to put the fix in for all future elections.
It’s the job of the SCOTUS to decide constitutionality of law. If it’s at odds with the constitution then the only reasonable course of action is to strike it. If this result aligns with their goals then good for them.
 
Has anyone told the current SCOTUS that? Because it seems they think their job is solely to dismantle the constitution instead.
You guys always say that when things don’t go your way. That is, unless your opinion aligns with that of Justice Jackson who, if I recall correctly, believes that being part of a minority is equivalent to being disabled and as such some special voting privileges are in order? It was quite humorous and quickly dismissed as gobbledygook, rightfully so. You guys really have to figure out if you’re on the side of everyone being equal *or* on the side of segregation because you blur the lines sometimes. Race-based redistricting sure is… an interesting suggestion. Sounds a lot like “gerrymandering is bad unless we do it”. :lol:
 
believes that being part of a minority is equivalent to being disabled and as such some special voting privileges are in order
uh. Considering that both disabled people and people of color have been discriminated in more than a thousand ways in the past, even down to jobs. That's not complete crap.

Also

You guys really have to figure out if you’re on the side of everyone being equal *or* on the side of segregation
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/10/...ail-major-provision-of-the-voting-rights-act/

"Roughly one-third of the state’s population is Black, but the 2022 map had only one majority-Black district out of the six districts allotted to the state. That prompted a group of Black voters to go to federal court, where they argued that the 2022 map violated Section 2 of the federal Voting Rights Act, which bars discrimination in voting practices."

Okay, so what side are you on foxi4?

The black voters who challanged it because their representation was dropped to 1/6, instead of 1/3.

Or.... somehow the racism being put on... reading notes white people????????
No literally it's because people other than black voters got so upset that the map was challenged, even though it wasn't over representing, it gave a second district, which put the new map at 2/6, or a 1/3.

"Louisiana drew a new map that created a second majority-Black district. The 2024 map drew a challenge from a group of voters who describe themselves as “non-African American.” A three-judge federal district court agreed with them that the 2024 map violated the Constitution’s equal protection clause by sorting voters based on race, and it barred the state from using the map in future elections."
 
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You guys always say that when things don’t go your way.
Who's "you guys?" The constitution has never been under attack like this under any other president, to the extent that even the heavily-conservative NRA has felt the need to step in and push back when 2A was under threat. Hyper-religious folk were super annoying about trying to control others' speech during the GWB era, but at least he wasn't so thin-skinned that he personally threatened TV networks into pulling comedians off the air. This isn't a left-right issue, SCOTUS has conditioned one malignant narcissist into believing he has absolute power, and they do an awfully pathetic job of trying to act surprised every time he abuses it.

At the very least I'd hope you agree that government has no business dictating to the private sector how they should run things. Or manipulating the stock market, for that matter.
 
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uh. Considering that both disabled people and people of color have been discriminated in more than a thousand ways in the past, even down to jobs. That's not complete crap.

Also


https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/10/...ail-major-provision-of-the-voting-rights-act/

"Roughly one-third of the state’s population is Black, but the 2022 map had only one majority-Black district out of the six districts allotted to the state. That prompted a group of Black voters to go to federal court, where they argued that the 2022 map violated Section 2 of the federal Voting Rights Act, which bars discrimination in voting practices."

Okay, so what side are you on foxi4?

The black voters who challanged it because their representation was dropped to 1/6, instead of 1/3.

Or.... somehow the racism being put on... reading notes white people????????
No literally it's because people other than black voters got so upset that the map was challenged, even though it wasn't over representing, it gave a second district, which put the new map at 2/6, or a 1/3.

"Louisiana drew a new map that created a second majority-Black district. The 2024 map drew a challenge from a group of voters who describe themselves as “non-African American.” A three-judge federal district court agreed with them that the 2024 map violated the Constitution’s equal protection clause by sorting voters based on race, and it barred the state from using the map in future elections."
This is a very impassioned argument for drawing maps based on whether someone’s the right shade of brown or not. Impressive, but racist. Between drawing maps based on political alignment (or “representation”, if you really insist on sticking to demographics) and maps drawn based on race I’d rather the former than the latter, but personally I’m in this completely insane club that thinks they should be based on geography. :lol:

I will also add that the notion of things being “racist” or “not racist” based on the outcome is something I always found very humorous about modern American jurisprudence. It was racist to introduce a sentencing disparity between crack cocaine and powdered cocaine use explicitly because one was prevalent in black areas and one wasn’t, and yet black leaders still pushed for it all the same in an effort to “clean their streets up”, only to complain about said disparity a couple years down the line. I guess working against your own interest is somewhat of a tradition. :lol:

To put things in a simple tl;dr, if your policy prescriptions are based on how brown or not brown someone is, you should take a step back and re-evaluate.
Who's "you guys?" The constitution has never been under attack like this under any other president, to the extent that even the heavily-conservative NRA has felt the need to step in and push back when 2A was under threat. Hyper-religious folk were super annoying about trying to control others' speech during the GWB era, but at least he wasn't so thin-skinned that he personally threatened TV networks into pulling comedians off the air. This isn't a left-right issue, SCOTUS has conditioned one malignant narcissist into believing he has absolute power, and they do an awfully pathetic job of trying to act surprised every time he abuses it.

At the very least I'd hope you agree that government has no business dictating to the private sector how they should run things. Or manipulating the stock market, for that matter.
See, if it was anybody else I would’ve chimed in with “I thought you guys didn’t like the second amendment and were all for weakening gun rights, you gotta make up your mind!”, but you don’t think that, so I’ll spare you the chain yanks. :P There are certainly some downs with all of the ups, but after decades of legislating from the bench there’s a whole lot of precedent that needs to be cleaned up. No doubt it will cause a lot of chaos along the way, as all sudden change does, but I’d like to believe that the country will be better for it in the long run. Naturally not everyone shares my optimism, but it is what it is. Don’t worry - it’s Trump’s second term and I don’t really see a worthy successor as of yet. I somehow doubt presidential term limits will be overturned in the next few years (which is a bummer, you guys kept FDR until he croaked - no fair) so your guy will get the seat soon enough. As we both know, the pendulum always swings.
 
This is a very impassioned argument for drawing maps based on whether someone’s the right shade of brown or not. Impressive, but racist. Between drawing maps based on political alignment (or “representation”, if you really insist on sticking to demographics) and maps drawn based on race I’d rather the former than the latter, but personally I’m in this completely insane club that thinks they should be based on geography. :lol:

I will also add that the notion of things being “racist” or “not racist” based on the outcome is something I always found very humorous about modern American jurisprudence. It was racist to introduce a sentencing disparity between crack cocaine and powdered cocaine use explicitly because one was prevalent in black areas and one wasn’t, and yet black leaders still pushed for it all the same in an effort to “clean their streets up”, only to complain about said disparity a couple years down the line. I guess working against your own interest is somewhat of a tradition. :lol:

To put things in a simple tl;dr, if your policy prescriptions are based on how brown or not brown someone is, you should take a step back and re-evaluate.
RIiiiight.
Sooo, because it's "racist" because it is trying to protect a group, known for being attacked, on race...
Riiiiiight.

Which clearly the end result of what you are arguing is that these guys would have 1/6 representation and no solution, despite being physically 1/3 of the population. (Everyone should have equal representation. And it would be better if we just got rid of the electoral collage so we wouldn't have this dumbass headache)

You gave a lot of waffling and spin trying to put this as an issue of racism, when despite the fact you are materially, arguing for/pro racism.
If this was some group that didn't have a historical history of getting fucked over, your argument would hold water.

But they are.

You are increasingly sounding like the type of person where if someone got impaled, you would rip out the pole, and let them bleed out, because the object's not supposed to be there. instead of actually preparing in any meaningful way to keep the person alive without the pole in them.

You are not making it easy to give you a charitable reading.

Would it be ideal that we wouldn't have to have such laws? Yeah. It be really nice. But that specific one didn't come out of nothing, that specific one was passed for a pretty obvious reason.

Edit: I'll spell it out just to make sure.

What would happen is black voters would be either fractured or packed, deliberately so their voices did not matter. And if you were a party who say, ran on racism. Suddenly a lot of those voters would vote against you, which if you could gerrymander them to have no voice, it wouldn't matter that your policies were bad and racist.

Akin to what the fuck is going on right now.
 
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"I want to fight you."

*ignores*

*he steps in front of the bag to get my attention to try to provoke me to fight him.*

"[string of profanity and taunting, trying to scoff me and put MMA/Muay Thai on a pedestal]. You're just a [rhymes with kneetard]!"

Me: what's with the name calling? Ran out of skill? Is this a skill issue that your brain can no longer provide any solid argument to counter my statements and my ability to destroy a heavy bag and run an engineering entrepreneurship program for kids with learning differences? Ironic that the man saying he wants to "fight" me is getting his feelings hurt when I ignore him and then he has to result to name-calling and racist/ableist remarks, so here, I will try to say this in a way you can understand:

"oh, little man hit big; he have big brain. But big man have little brain; he pick fights, he not use big brain. Why little man hit big and use big brain but big man hit little and have little brain?"

See? No profanity or racist/ableist remarks; perhaps if you didn't use combat sports but rather real Martial Arts, you would be able to protect your once-big brain well enough to not want to "fight" me at a family gym and now look bad in front of a parent all because you initiated aggression and used ableist language in front of a child you were willing to endanger for the sake of your own ego, at a family-friendly gym.

*he cried and walked out.*

The parent later thanked me because take a guess at what her child was diagnosed with, that the other guy tried to use an an ableist remark, in front of her, for me refusing to fight him, at a family gym.

One of many reasons MMA is reserved for the uneducated and undisciplined; many parents told me their kids with learning differences were picked on and screamed at by MMA places, far more than they were at traditional martial arts places.

Nothing personal, but that is why I get quite snarky about my victories over Actors who believe in screaming at kids with depression and acting like Hollywood macho types; I look forward to stopping my very irritating snark about it once combat sports goes the way of the dodo, and it's going there fast after "discussing the responsibilities of a role model" with their best actors off-stage at their gyms in front of everyone while I wore my Tae-Kwon-Do Dobok:




Hard to stay in business, when a Tae-Kwon-Do black-belt wins off-stage, and says it's a sin to fight for money, and also a sin to yell and scream at kids with learning differences, versus your top viewed actors, in front of all of their MMA adult students, that stopped being interested in the UFC, as a result, isn't it?

This is one of the critical flaws with the republican party, as one who is loyal to God, not politics.
 
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