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Sure there is! I don't mind getting other vaxes, just not the one that would give me nasty side effects, for something that would give me a fever for a few days. Compared to something like Hepatitis or a Tetanus shot, the side effects are worth it to prevent those 2.
First time, I think I did, because I remember someone on the bus having it, and knowing I was going to get it. Second time was also me, because I walked by a Covid vax tent, which is hind sight was dumb as hell to do. lol
Your post was saying that the side effects of the vaccine (for your family) were worse than the effects of Covid (for your family, after vaccination). Therefore, vaccine is worse than Covid.
I'm saying that is a flawed comparison, because the effects of Covid for your family were mitigated by the vaccine. If the vaccine was hypothetically a miracle cure that saved them from death, but gave them a runny nose in exchange, you would have the exact same anecdote about how the vaccine was worse than the disease.
Maybe you are trying to compare your own experience of Covid to their experience of vaccination, but not everyone is the same. If they had a moderate reaction to a few proteins from the vaccine, is it not possible they'd have had a pretty bad reaction to the real deal Covid infection, but that was reduced by the vaccine? Circumstances of exposure vary as well: you getting a mild dose from a passerby versus them getting heavy repeated doses from being in close contact with an infected family member.
And at the end of the day, it's still an anecdote. There will be variance, but overall, seven million dead to Covid is a metric that the vaccine is definitely winning on, if we're talking about the effects of both.
I had to get it as I was a prison officer at the time so communicable diseases spread fast. I'm also immunocompromised. I've had COVID 5 times and the 2nd time I genuinely thought I was going to die. 5th time I had it I was asymptomatic.
The way we see thing with our little monkey brains, the vaccine being LESS effective means the severity of Covid is directly obvious to us, so that becomes proof that Covid is worse than the vaccine.
But for an immuno-compromised person, they were always going to get Covid much worse and also have a potentially reduced response to the vaccine itself.
But in some other scenario where the vaccine was so incredible that it would completely stop Covid in its tracks, even for immunocompromised people... then that improved outcome would make it much more like your family's experience, Viri. The vaccine being better would, in your eyes, become proof that the vaccine was unnecessary. Even if they would have died without it, you don't see that outcome. Millions did, though.
That is the problem I'm trying to point out here, the vaccine WORKING removes evidence for its own necessity, because its preventative! Town fires hospital staff because nobody has been dying of preventable diseases lately, so clearly we don't need these people around.
I'm also highlighting this more generally in case anyone tries to bring up the "but covid was only bad for immune compromised/comorbidity/etc". Because even if that was true (its not), uhh, that's still pretty bad? Like, are those deaths not worth preventing? People who say that are just telling on themselves that they only care about something if it personally affects them, which is a wonderful foundation for public health.
Sure there is! I don't mind getting other vaxes, just not the one that would give me nasty side effects, for something that would give me a fever for a few days
You can attempt to rationalize it all you want but to someone who has a basic understanding of science you're still going to be firmly labeled an anti vaxxer.
Sure there is! I don't mind getting other vaxes, just not the one that would give me nasty side effects, for something that would give me a fever for a few days. Compared to something like Hepatitis or a Tetanus shot, the side effects are worth it to prevent those 2.
Do you actually know how vaccines work, or do you think they're just a magical shield against viruses? Vaccines need to give you a tiny bit of whatever they fight against for you to build an immunity. That's why you have the side effects. It isn't because evil Big Pharma is out to get you.
As I said before, if you are on the side opposing all mandatory vaccines in schools and work, as well as defunding vaccine research, then you do not get to decide whether you're an antivaxxer or not. There's no "nuance" here. There's no "middle ground". There's no "gray area". You can't be halfway on this issue. Either you support immunization against viruses or you don't.
I got both shots and 3 boosters. Only ever got covid in 2020 before the vaccine was available. Antivaxxers are nutcases imo and cant have their minds changed.
I had the vaccine, like 3 shots, last one was in october of 2021, on july 28th 2022 I felt ill and spent 7 hours in the hospital, when they told me it was just covid I was like: Really? I caught it even after having the vaccine and even after that much time?
I know I tried to do my best in order to not spread the disease from 2020 till november 2021 but when you see so many people that refuse to use masks and not even respect the social distancing,,,,,,,
Got Covid 19 before I got my first vaccine, never in my life I feeling that sick, later I got it again after my first vaccine.
Very sick but not so bad as the first one. It was a sad time, so much damage on mental health on young people.
I have all vaccines imaginable and more, same with many of the so-called right-wing "antivaxxers" as you say. Only the Covid ones, we didn't take.
Our governments paid for it, and guess where that money comes from.
I grew up leftist and Big Pharma being dangerous was always a given for me. And now that I'm on the right and actually retained that healthy belief, it's the current leftists who completely changed camps and think Big Pharma can only be a source for good and would never commit any evil. Yeah that's beyond naive, all you need to do is to look what companies like Pfizer have been convicted of.
Yes, every doctor is in on the conspiracy, and there doesn't need to be a shadowy figure at the top giving the orders, all one needs is incentive at the level of the doctor. Or the patient for that matter. For many the main incentive is "not being seen as crazy/a bad person by my peers", or "being able to go to the restaurant" (yes many people who regretted taking the vax openly said that on Belgian television, that they got it because they like good food), just following the herd to remain psychologically safe.
Tax dollars are not yours. I'm so sick of that mentality. You pay your dues. It's the price of admission. Society should do whatever it takes to protect it's citizens. You enjoy the roads, mail service, running water, garbage pickup, public parks, cleanish streets. Etc etc but you can't handle the sick and poor getting a little help. You deserve nothing. Leftists turned Tighty Righties are the worst. You act like you still have a conscience but it's just a mask to hide your hate from people who know right from wrong. We know something died in you, that's why you switched.
Why do you think money is more important than lives? That's what you went out of your way to say. I bet you were pissed when they lowered insulin prices. And remember you're not special, you just don't comprehend simple things so you make up what you call "truth"
Then you go on to say not only that it's a conspiracy, but all the doctors are in on it.
Life saving medicine should be free, paid by tax dollars. Unless of course you're in a high tax bracket then you should pay top dollar. The elite don't pay their share. It's a perversion of justice and a scourge of the people. Keep pretending you care. We know it's bullshit.
Big pharma sucks but leave vaccines out of it. Its not a pill for imaginary symptoms. It's a preventative to help minimize the damage people like you will inflict on others. All we needed was for people to cover their mouths, or in your case your upper anus, and wash their fucking hands. Your misinformation infects others like yourself with intrarectalcranialitis and smooth brain syndrome. Stop spreading selfish conspiracies everytime you don't understand something. I know science is complex for you.
I know a place where they don't care about their people and put money above all, you should go there, comrade. I bet you look good in red.
Do you have any evidence to support this, besides it sounding nice in your head? Like, you sound very confident about how every doctor has been simultaneously tricked into silence, lest they be called crazy by...their other peers who know the truth but have been tricked into silence. Or food. It just sounds like a very weak foundation for a global conspiracy, one that would instantly crumble the moment Covid was no longer a pressing issue. But you probably have some very good evidence for believing this is what has happened.
They heard it from a guy that shook Trumps hand in 2020. The moment he finished his moonshine after the NASCAR meet it came to him. It must have been true because he thought of it and he never thought of anything before that.
Tax dollars are not yours. I'm so sick of that mentality. You pay your dues. It's the price of admission. Society should do whatever it takes to protect it's citizens. You enjoy the roads, mail service, running water, garbage pickup, public parks, cleanish streets. Etc etc but you can't handle the sick and poor getting a little help. You deserve nothing. Leftists turned Tighty Righties are the worst. You act like you still have a conscience but it's just a mask to hide your hate from people who know right from wrong. We know something died in you, that's why you switched.
Why do you think money is more important than lives? That's what you went out of your way to say. I bet you were pissed when they lowered insulin prices. And remember you're not special, you just don't comprehend simple things so you make up what you call "truth"
Then you go on to say not only that it's a conspiracy, but all the doctors are in on it.
Life saving medicine should be free, paid by tax dollars. Unless of course you're in a high tax bracket then you should pay top dollar. The elite don't pay their share. It's a perversion of justice and a scourge of the people. Keep pretending you care. We know it's bullshit.
Big pharma sucks but leave vaccines out of it. Its not a pill for imaginary symptoms. It's a preventative to help minimize the damage people like you will inflict on others. All we needed was for people to cover their mouths, or in your case your upper anus, and wash their fucking hands. Your misinformation infects others like yourself with intrarectalcranialitis and smooth brain syndrome. Stop spreading selfish conspiracies everytime you don't understand something. I know science is complex for you.
I know a place where they don't care about their people and put money above all, you should go there, comrade. I bet you look good in red.
I actually agree with you (besides masking, that never worked and never will for something like Covid). Can you pinpoint where I said I was against taxes?
All I said was that the vaccines weren't free, nothing is free, it was paid with our taxes and part of the reason they were pushed on us so much was because well they had to make the most of it.
Post-hoc rationalization just like the people who got the vaccines automatically had to tell themselves it was the right decision.
I'm all for social policies and healthcare for the weak and poor through taxes though my country (Belgium) has gone a bit overboard with it and is now the most taxed country in the world.
I got both shots and 3 boosters. Only ever got covid in 2020 before the vaccine was available. Antivaxxers are nutcases imo and cant have their minds changed.
I have all vaccines imaginable and more, same with many of the so-called right-wing "antivaxxers" as you say. Only the Covid ones, we didn't take.
Our governments paid for it, and guess where that money comes from.
I grew up leftist and Big Pharma being dangerous was always a given for me. And now that I'm on the right and actually retained that healthy belief, it's the current leftists who completely changed camps and think Big Pharma can only be a source for good and would never commit any evil. Yeah that's beyond naive, all you need to do is to look what companies like Pfizer have been convicted of.
Yes, every doctor is in on the conspiracy, and there doesn't need to be a shadowy figure at the top giving the orders, all one needs is incentive at the level of the doctor. Or the patient for that matter. For many the main incentive is "not being seen as crazy/a bad person by my peers", or "being able to go to the restaurant" (yes many people who regretted taking the vax openly said that on Belgian television, that they got it because they like good food), just following the herd to remain psychologically safe.
I actually agree with you (besides masking, that never worked and never will for something like Covid). Can you pinpoint where I said I was against taxes?
All I said was that the vaccines weren't free, nothing is free, it was paid with our taxes and part of the reason they were pushed on us so much was because well they had to make the most of it.
Post-hoc rationalization just like the people who got the vaccines automatically had to tell themselves it was the right decision.
I'm all for social policies and healthcare for the weak and poor through taxes though my country (Belgium) has gone a bit overboard with it and is now the most taxed country in the world.
Funny how I'll update my regular (non-Covid) vaccines in a few years, but I'll somehow still be an 'antivaxxer'.
Our governments paid for it, and guess where that money comes from.
You start and finish with the same rhetoric your MAGAT brethren use. You focus on your tin foil theories and the money instead of lives. Sandwiched inbetween is even worse shit.
Conspiracy BS and misinformation galore. Your either trying to baffle us with bullshit or you believe this garbage.
Masking works very well, if the sick wear them. They cut down the viral load for the healthy as well and remember, you are contagious without symptoms so your judgement is moot. Who cares about what you want? There are people that need you to cover your disease spewing upper anus. It's a small thing. No shirt, no shoes is no issue, just be compassionate, proactive and smart. Wear a mask when you are around others. I know the window licking, knuckle draggers hate compassion for those they don't envy but this is real shit. If your fuhrer said to do it you would pay 5 bucks a piece for a gold tRump branded mask.
Your opinions are based on hearsay and peer pressure.
Masks help. It would be better if you just stay away from people all together because you don't have the morals or cognitive ability to be kind and protect the rest of us @xenophobio.
Your turn, what makes you think masks don't work? It surely isn't the infection statistics from countries that were already used to masking, or the studies done into masking.
Or maybe you dispute those, but you still need some sort of proof for your own belief. Did Big Mask push the mask sales?
No need to be vaccinated in 2025 or even 1 year ago, since the covid virus has become a normal flu virus
I only got one shot 6 years ago, and haven't had any problems.
And looking back thinking about how little impact covid had on me, i regret getting the shot
No need to be vaccinated in 2025 or even 1 year ago, since the covid virus has become a normal flu virus
I only got one shot 6 years ago, and haven't had any problems.
And looking back thinking about how little impact covid had on me, i regret getting the shot
It had little impact on you BECAUSE you got the vaccine, and yet here you are saying you regret getting it because of that benefit. Can you prove it wouldn't have done anything without it? Not gotten worse? Your entire life could have been impacted without it. It certainly affected those that died by not getting it, especially those that listened to Trump and his administration. Even now, the measles are coming back because of low vaccination rates. This is what happens when stupid people make decisions.
The whole reason why we get yearly flu shots is because viruses evolve and mutate. Did you honestly think it never changes?
It had little impact on you BECAUSE you got the vaccine, and yet here you are saying you regret getting it because of that benefit. Can you prove it wouldn't have done anything without it? Not gotten worse? Your entire life could have been impacted without it. It certainly affected those that died by not getting it, especially those that listened to Trump and his administration. Even now, the measles are coming back because of low vaccination rates. This is what happens when stupid people make decisions.
The whole reason why we get yearly flu shots is because viruses evolve and mutate. Did you honestly think it never changes?
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You started with a statement about money
