Heterosexual privilege and other gender/sexuality issues...

0) The heterosexual privilege is a horrible thing to face every f***ing day. What is heterosexual privilege you ask? It is the fact that being heterosexual is the "blank slate" or the normal condition of a human being. It is a given that any presumed heterosexual person can walk into a store, and purchase a greeting card that is perfect for their relationship. Any homosexual person cannot do the same - I cannot walk into a store and buy a greeting card that expresses my love for my partner. Heterosexual privilege is the state of mind that makes a couple of opposite sexes not worthy of attention, while homosexual couples have to be guarded about what they say. Homosexuals do not shove this fact into your faces - you just notice it more. I am still waiting for a marketing firm to create an image of homosexual women or men to be presented normally - instead of being the weird/attention getting thing most people consider it to be.

1) I find people who are obnoxious about their sexuality really annoying. Be they gay, straight, bisexual, transgendered or whatever labels they apply to themselves. This behaviour is really easy to get out of control - it's okay to be proud and out, but do some people really have to make asses of themselves? This goes to all of the people who don't defy stereotypes - we have women who are really masculine/butch or really feminine guys! Seriously, people - it's about relationships - you can't have relationships when you alienate the majority of people you interact with. And it's a cause for safety - what happens if a really genderqueer (someone who doesn't follow traditional gender roles) individual happens to piss off a really traditional person? It may mean violence, it may mean death or at least embarrassment.

2) Coming out is an ongoing process for queer people. We choose everyday who we explain our sexuality to. Some individuals choose to make it obvious through mode of dress, hairstyles, or even speech patterns. When someone "comes out" they make that choice to make it known. I for example, am out to a few cousins, my dad and a couple other trustworthy people.


Gaming:
- I'm still looking to trade an NTSC version of Populous DS - it comes with a full manual and case.
- I just downloaded Transformers Revenge of the Fallen - why hasn't Dark of the Moon come out yet as a scene release?
- I'm loving Radient Historia - great game, but a bit confusing. Stupid timeline type thing - but I'm looking forward to a Lavos type showdown at the end.
- Okamidem is amazing. I always loved watching the original, but never got around to getting that system or that game. It's funny in parts too - it's like a chinese painting come to life!

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[quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762212' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:00 PM']I don't tend to put myself in the middle of controversial arguments such as this, but I would like to make an interesting observation (not a condemnation, merely an observation, take it as you will).

Personally, as a Christian, I believe homosexuality is neither natural nor acceptable (I also believe it is wrong to be a total @$$hole to someone for any reason, so I'm not hating here. I may not agree with your lifestyle decisions, but I've made more than my fair share of decisions that go against my own beliefs so I have no pedestal to stand upon and look down). So on the one hand, I believe that it's wrong because God says it is. But the interesting thing here is that if you remove God from the picture entirely and adopt a purely Darwinian worldview, homosexuality is certainly not a trait which lends itself to the survival of the human species, and therefore can't even be considered natural in that case either.

So the fact is, homosexuality won't really ever be viewed as natural to most people due to the simple fact that it isn't. Call me a religious bigot if you like, but even Darwinian evolution is against you on this one.[/quote]
Wait.

What does homosexuality got to do with survival? Even with that logic, isn't helping to stop overpopulation not a trait for survival?

Isn't being with someone else for love and protection regardless of gender not a trait for survival?


Even as a Christian, isn't better to think from the heart, rather than a book with multiple changes, translations, and manipulation?
 
[quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762238' date='Jul 8 2011, 03:21 AM']http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=NIV

Clearly describes homosexual relations as "a shameful act" for which was received "due penalty". If you're going to use my own Bible against me, you'd best read the whole thing. And if you aren't a Christian, ignore this rather than flaming... the second point of my first post will suffice for my opinion in that case.[/quote]

yes however the bible was written by man, not God and thus is filled with flaws. you don't have to specifically go by everything in it. did you know that the old testament tells you that it is sinful to use two oxen to plow a field in the same day? or that they show the proper way to construct scaffolding around a building's roof perimeter so that if anyone climbs up there, they will not fall off the roof? if we followed everything in the bible, you'd see a lot of things out there in your day to day life that you basically do not see.

but if we are going by only the new testament all I can say is, apparantly someone who wrote a few sentences in it was homophobic for some reason.
 
You can't help but understand that the Bible has been shifted around, changed, and manipulated from even the days of old? Priests and Popes would alter what was in the Bible so that they could get more power and keep the church stronger than any type of government. How can you base yourself off of a book that was used to get total domination over people?

As for the issue, I think that you have to look at it from your own ethics. Do gay people kill? Do gay people hurt others? Do gays hurt ANYTHING? Not really, or at least in smaller quantities than straight people. I think that gays should have as much rights as everyone else.
 
[quote name='amptor' post='3762243' date='Jul 7 2011, 07:24 PM'][quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762238' date='Jul 8 2011, 03:21 AM']http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=NIV

Clearly describes homosexual relations as "a shameful act" for which was received "due penalty". If you're going to use my own Bible against me, you'd best read the whole thing. And if you aren't a Christian, ignore this rather than flaming... the second point of my first post will suffice for my opinion in that case.[/quote]

yes however the bible was written by man, not God and thus is filled with flaws. you don't have to specifically go by everything in it. did you know that the old testament tells you that it is sinful to use two oxen to plow a field in the same day? or that they show the proper way to construct scaffolding around a building's roof perimeter so that if anyone climbs up there, they will not fall off the roof? if we followed everything in the bible, you'd see a lot of things out there in your day to day life that you basically do not see.

but if we are going by only the new testament all I can say is, apparantly someone who wrote a few sentences in it was homophobic for some reason.
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Dismiss the Bible as you wish, I did not intend to start an argument here, nor will I participate in one, especially since it is most likely to be entirely off-topic. If you really just feel like ranting anti-Christian sentiments, feel free to take it to PM.
 
It is anti-Christian because you trying so hard to say homosexual is unnatural from some random
translation or writing? Really? Do you not have a mind of your own?

Someone could put anything in a book and called it the bible or read something different from the bible.

"Um... you may need to go to the doctor to look at that because this book with writing from way in the past with numerous changes says that unnatural."


How does that sound? There are no inputs from your thoughts, just mindless and hurtful comments.

Not hating on the Bible,but you do need to have fate for your own thoughts.
 
if youre a lesbian, and people look at you in a bad way, go to the gym and put some damn make up on, nobody should suffer with lesbians
 
[quote name='DaMummy' post='3762271' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:44 PM']if youre a lesbian, and people look at you in a bad way, go to the gym and put some damn make up on, nobody should suffer with lesbians[/quote]
um... what?
 
[quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762255' date='Jul 8 2011, 03:31 AM'][quote name='amptor' post='3762243' date='Jul 7 2011, 07:24 PM'][quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762238' date='Jul 8 2011, 03:21 AM']http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=NIV

Clearly describes homosexual relations as "a shameful act" for which was received "due penalty". If you're going to use my own Bible against me, you'd best read the whole thing. And if you aren't a Christian, ignore this rather than flaming... the second point of my first post will suffice for my opinion in that case.[/quote]

yes however the bible was written by man, not God and thus is filled with flaws. you don't have to specifically go by everything in it. did you know that the old testament tells you that it is sinful to use two oxen to plow a field in the same day? or that they show the proper way to construct scaffolding around a building's roof perimeter so that if anyone climbs up there, they will not fall off the roof? if we followed everything in the bible, you'd see a lot of things out there in your day to day life that you basically do not see.

but if we are going by only the new testament all I can say is, apparantly someone who wrote a few sentences in it was homophobic for some reason.
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Dismiss the Bible as you wish, I did not intend to start an argument here, nor will I participate in one, especially since it is most likely to be entirely off-topic. If you really just feel like ranting anti-Christian sentiments, feel free to take it to PM.
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lol I'm not arguing and I am a Christian I am just lucky that at the organization I belong to they never taught us whether or not that subject was right or wrong and that they give a pretty unbiased and level place to go worship which is quite contrary to what most people on Earth think happens with the church I belong to :) people are funny, I won't argue the religion though cos that is against my wishes on this forum as well as probably against forum rules for staff members
 
[quote name='DaMummy' post='3762271' date='Jul 7 2011, 07:44 PM']if youre a lesbian, and people look at you in a bad way, go to the gym and put some damn make up on, nobody should suffer with lesbians[/quote]
DaMummy, I still "pass" as straight. I don't do the makeup thing, but I still have long hair and I shave. You didn't fall for the classical stereotyped image of lesbians? :D
 
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Lol @ religion getting thrown into it, I guess we all need our escapes.

Honestly, I don't care if people are Homosexuals, or not, it doesn't really change anything in the end.

The world is filled with so many stupid people, I'm all for slowing down evolution.
 
[quote name='brandonspikes' post='3762309' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:15 PM']Lol @ religion getting thrown into it, I guess we all need our escapes.

Honestly, I don't care if people are Homosexuals, or not, it doesn't really change anything in the end.

The world is filled with so many stupid people, I'm all for slowing down evolution.[/quote]
That last comment seem like out of nowhere. The last sentence isn't connected to the first two, correct?
 
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[quote name='KingVamp' post='3762319' date='Jul 7 2011, 11:22 PM'][quote name='brandonspikes' post='3762309' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:15 PM']Lol @ religion getting thrown into it, I guess we all need our escapes.

Honestly, I don't care if people are Homosexuals, or not, it doesn't really change anything in the end.

The world is filled with so many stupid people, I'm all for slowing down evolution.[/quote]
That last comment seem like out of nowhere. The last sentence isn't connected to the first two, correct?
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It's like a puzzle

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[quote name='brandonspikes' post='3762309' date='Jul 8 2011, 04:15 AM']Lol @ religion getting thrown into it, I guess we all need our escapes.

Honestly, I don't care if people are Homosexuals, or not, it doesn't really change anything in the end.

The world is filled with so many stupid people, I'm all for slowing down evolution.[/quote]

well mainly it doesn't matter. people do what they want and get to a point where they don't really give a fuck any more (because they don't have to if you think about it) and homosexuality does not necessarily diminish propagating the species because there's people that switch and can have kids still for whatever reasons.. you always see in the news homosexual couples that just started having kids. who knows why, I never had an interest in finding out how they did it...they can find someone that will have the kid for them for example like Thebie(sp) in the sitcome Friends did. Which I know that is fiction but it happens in real life which is why they made a story on a sitcom about it.

Usually I'm of the club where "I don't mind as long as they don't include me" but at least I don't have the akward times these days of having to turn same-sex offers down. It happens to everyone, just some people put up a 'macho' thing and try to make it appear that it never happened to them. But... I know better than that. People carry too much shame for no reason. If it happens so often, it is normal too. I think people overburden themselves with bullshit in life and it doesn't serve any purpose.
 
>Leave discussion last night
>Come back following night, topic is top of recent topic list
>Is now 10x more retarded than before
>mfw

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[quote name='RockmanForte' post='3762218' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:05 PM'][quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762212' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:00 PM']I don't tend to put myself in the middle of controversial arguments such as this, but I would like to make an interesting observation (not a condemnation, merely an observation, take it as you will).

Personally, as a Christian, I believe homosexuality is neither natural nor acceptable (I also believe it is wrong to be a total @$$hole to someone for any reason, so I'm not hating here. I may not agree with your lifestyle decisions, but I've made more than my fair share of decisions that go against my own beliefs so I have no pedestal to stand upon and look down). So on the one hand, I believe that it's wrong because God says it is. But the interesting thing here is that if you remove God from the picture entirely and adopt a purely Darwinian worldview, homosexuality is certainly not a trait which lends itself to the survival of the human species, and therefore can't even be considered natural in that case either.

So the fact is, homosexuality won't really ever be viewed as natural to most people due to the simple fact that it isn't. Call me a religious bigot if you like, but even Darwinian evolution is against you on this one.[/quote]

Really ? I am religious as well but it doesn't mean God says it is.. If you read bible very very carefully.. you will raise a question about mistranslated and misinterpreted. Therefore, Jesus never mention about Homosexuality in the bible. However, there is something interesting about the bible. Read them all and reread them. I have been studied it for over 1 years. Here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bmar.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibx.htm
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexua...e-gay-christian
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@qwertymodo,

Do you ignored my question ? You are religious, aren't you ? Really ? Can you tell me how many brothers Jesus has ? Should you celebrate birthday, christmas, halloween, easter and more ? Do you know about tax colletor and pharisee ? Knowing anything about Job, Lot, Paul, Peter, David ? If you know some of them then you are not true religious and you do not know the meaning of homosexual interpretation and translation in the bible. Many bible called homosexual word you found didnt existed in the past of the bible. Jesus never mentioned that at all. Some men wrote them in easily word is a mistranslated and misinterpreted. If you read those links I gave you more carefully and reread them then you might raise your questions and doubts. If not, then you have no right to discuss about holy bible knowing that you know so little about. Thank you.
 
[quote name='RockmanForte' post='3762901' date='Jul 8 2011, 01:52 PM'][quote name='RockmanForte' post='3762218' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:05 PM'][quote name='qwertymodo' post='3762212' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:00 PM']I don't tend to put myself in the middle of controversial arguments such as this, but I would like to make an interesting observation (not a condemnation, merely an observation, take it as you will).

Personally, as a Christian, I believe homosexuality is neither natural nor acceptable (I also believe it is wrong to be a total @$$hole to someone for any reason, so I'm not hating here. I may not agree with your lifestyle decisions, but I've made more than my fair share of decisions that go against my own beliefs so I have no pedestal to stand upon and look down). So on the one hand, I believe that it's wrong because God says it is. But the interesting thing here is that if you remove God from the picture entirely and adopt a purely Darwinian worldview, homosexuality is certainly not a trait which lends itself to the survival of the human species, and therefore can't even be considered natural in that case either.

So the fact is, homosexuality won't really ever be viewed as natural to most people due to the simple fact that it isn't. Call me a religious bigot if you like, but even Darwinian evolution is against you on this one.[/quote]

Really ? I am religious as well but it doesn't mean God says it is.. If you read bible very very carefully.. you will raise a question about mistranslated and misinterpreted. Therefore, Jesus never mention about Homosexuality in the bible. However, there is something interesting about the bible. Read them all and reread them. I have been studied it for over 1 years. Here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bmar.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibx.htm
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexua...e-gay-christian
[/quote]

@qwertymodo,

Do you ignored my question ? You are religious, aren't you ? Really ? Can you tell me how many brothers Jesus has ? Should you celebrate birthday, christmas, halloween, easter and more ? Do you know about tax colletor and pharisee ? Knowing anything about Job, Lot, Paul, Peter, David ? If you know some of them then you are not true religious and you do not know the meaning of homosexual interpretation and translation in the bible. Many bible called homosexual word you found didnt existed in the past of the bible. Jesus never mentioned that at all. Some men wrote them in easily word is a mistranslated and misinterpreted. If you read those links I gave you more carefully and reread them then you might raise your questions and doubts. If not, then you have no right to discuss about holy bible knowing that you know so little about. Thank you.
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No need to drag the guy into this anymore. He just made an opinion, it was discussed and he left.

If you know some of them then you are not true religious

Not knowing one or more aspects of the bible doesn't make less religious.

then you have no right to discuss about holy bible knowing that you know so little about

We'll never understand everything however we have the right to participate on any discussion in a respectful manner.
 
[quote name='RockmanForte' post='3762949' date='Jul 8 2011, 02:17 PM']Oh, he left ?? Interesting then he has a closed mind anyway. Thats ok. Thank you.[/quote]

That's disrespectful. Everyone is free to make an opinion without diminishing others.
 
[quote name='Burton' post='3762956' date='Jul 8 2011, 09:21 AM'][quote name='RockmanForte' post='3762949' date='Jul 8 2011, 02:17 PM']Oh, he left ?? Interesting then he has a closed mind anyway. Thats ok. Thank you.[/quote]

That's disrespectful. Everyone is free to make an opinion without diminishing others.
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No, I mean he has a closed mind about the bible I want to discussed with him. Sorry for confusion. :)
 

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