Heterosexual privilege and other gender/sexuality issues...

[quote name='cwstjdenobs' post='3760373' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:14 AM'][quote name='Midna' post='3760368' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:12 AM']Copying my eps now, but...

sudo drama?
As in, running drama as root?[/quote]

Be a real man(or woman, or other), make a proper root account or at least sudo -s
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Of course I have a separate root account, and do frequently sudo su for more complex root operations.

For simple tasks like running my package manager, however, sudo is fine.

Ooh, should do a complete package upgrade. What with my rolling release, there's always updates.

[quote name='Midna' post='3760383' date='Jul 7 2011, 12:20 AM'][quote name='cwstjdenobs' post='3760373' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:14 AM'][quote name='Midna' post='3760368' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:12 AM']Copying my eps now, but...

sudo drama?
As in, running drama as root?[/quote]

Be a real man(or woman, or other), make a proper root account or at least sudo -s
[/quote]
Of course I have a separate root account, and do frequently sudo su for more complex root operations.

For simple tasks like running my package manager, however, sudo is fine.

Ooh, should do a complete package upgrade. What with my rolling release, there's always updates.
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lmao i hope you noticed that i went and corrected my error

[quote name='astrangeone' post='3760349' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:03 AM']I, and other homosexual individuals do NOT want to just be tolerated.[/quote]

Ahh, but sorry on this one, how far do you have to take it for it to be acceptance and not just tolerance? I mean I actually wouldn't think twice about the issue, bad or good, for most things. In fact I really don't care, I do not think anyone's sexuality is actually an important issue to anyone but them and the person/people they want to get sexual with. I am accepting as far as I think it is, and should be seen as, a non issue. But as soon as any of this goes as far as public shows of affection, I don't like that at all. I feel uncomfortable (and I don't mean give it a rest embarrassed uncomfortable, but "this is not right" uncomfortable) around 2 people holding hands, hugging, kissing etc. I am even more uncomfortable when it's 2 men and it gets even worse around 2 women, so this aspect I tolerate. Now I would say that makes me accepting but with a couple of strange personal issue , others have said that's my inner bigot trying to get out.

Well here's the question anyhows, would you rather have my sort of tolerance aimed at you or an overbearing, forced acceptance from society that constantly makes these nothing differences major issues?

[quote name='cwstjdenobs' post='3760404' date='Jul 7 2011, 12:41 AM'][quote name='astrangeone' post='3760349' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:03 AM']I, and other homosexual individuals do NOT want to just be tolerated.[/quote]

Ahh, but sorry on this one, how far do you have to take it for it to be acceptance and not just tolerance? I mean I actually wouldn't think twice about the issue, bad or good, for most things. In fact I really don't care, I do not think anyone's sexuality is actually an important issue to anyone but them and the person/people they want to get sexual with. I am accepting as far as I think it is, and should be seen as, a non issue. But as soon as any of this goes as far as public shows of affection, I don't like that at all. I feel uncomfortable (and I don't mean give it a rest embarrassed uncomfortable, but "this is not right" uncomfortable) around 2 people holding hands, hugging, kissing etc. I am even more uncomfortable when it's 2 men and it gets even worse around 2 women, so this aspect I tolerate. Now I would say that makes me accepting but with a couple of strange personal issue , others have said that's my inner bigot trying to get out.

Well here's the question anyhows, would you rather have my sort of tolerance aimed at you or an overbearing, forced acceptance from society that constantly makes these nothing differences major issues?
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+1
sexuality is merely a factor of life and shouldn't have every other aspect of life revolve around it

Are you saying I shouldn't kiss,hug, nor hold hands with my girl in public?

Is public affection so wrong?

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3760409' date='Jul 7 2011, 12:47 AM']Are you saying I shouldn't kiss,hug, nor hold hands with my girl in public?

Is public affection so wrong?[/quote]
well if you care so much about people judging you for the pda then you wouldn't do it. if you don't care then kiss on my brotha

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3760409' date='Jul 7 2011, 01:47 AM']Are you saying I shouldn't kiss,hug, nor hold hands with my girl in public?

Is public affection so wrong?[/quote]
It isn't fundamentally wrong, but I find it to be damn annoying and/or awkward. And many others do.

it all comes down to personal choice. we know the consequences. if you don't mind them do what you want.

[quote name='KingVamp' post='3760409' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:47 AM']Are you saying I shouldn't kiss,hug, nor hold hands with my girl in public?

Is public affection so wrong?[/quote]

No I wasn't saying it was wrong. But I was saying I can at most tolerate it.

EDIT:Basically I know this one issue is definitely my problem, not anyone else's. I do not want people to behave any differently for my benefit, but I will never be able to accept it.

I'm sorry, but different means different, but it doesn't mean "inferior", that's just a subjective analysis, and essentially irrelevant.

You will only be happy if your greeting card says "I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE GAY AND I AM TOO!!", or what?

When I go buy a card, or anything else in america for that matter, my sexuality doesn't factor one tiny bit into any decision I make about it. For example, "I love you" doesn't imply gender or sexuality.

There is no "heterosexual privilege", you only assume that there is. There isn't a "straight club" that all the heteros go to, or something. It's not a discount bulk chain that only straights can enter.

Your expectation that you, as a homosexual, should be accorded privileges based on your sexuality, is absurd. Your expectation that you can choose a different set of actions from another person but that the outcomes of your choices should be not only equivalent but precisely and accurately the same as the outcome of their choices, is an absurdity of the highest level. I suppose people that want a pizza get a "pizza privilege" if they happen to live near a Domino's, as far as you're concerned. I choose to be heterosexual, and that means I'm missing out on homosexual culture. You choose to be homosexual, and that means you're missing out on heterosexual culture. I'm a guy, so I miss out on female culture. You're a female, so you miss out on male culture.

As far as I'm concerned, it's as if I came onto the forum and complained that, as a guy, I'm somehow being left out of the "tampon privilege" because I can't go into Wal-Mart and buy tampons for myself, and they don't make guy tampons.

You'll be happier if you focus more on your own life and less on the lives of other people around you. Trust me.

[quote name='elenar' post='3760969' date='Jul 7 2011, 04:37 AM']Your expectation that you, as a homosexual, should be accorded privileges based on your sexuality, is absurd. Your expectation that you can choose a different set of actions from another person but that the outcomes of your choices should be not only equivalent but precisely and accurately the same as the outcome of their choices, is an absurdity of the highest level.[/quote]

The GLBT community is not in pursuit of our own special little set of privileges. We're in pursuit of the same ones afforded by default to the heterosexual community. It's not absurd at all. The only thing that is different between the two groups of people is the gender of their partner -- and yet look at the gulf between the two groups of people:

- In the US, the majority of states specifically define marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN -- and this wording applies to most federal laws establishing rights and protections as well. This is where most of the problems immediately stem from, and why the fight for MARRIAGE is so much more important than CIVIL UNION. Either gay people need to be able to get married, or the rights, protections and benefits that are afforded to married people also need to extend to civil unions.

- For example, as a same-sex partner, you are not included in the definition of "family", and are not allowed to visit, care for, or carry out decisions wanted by your partner at the hospital. In states where domestic partnerships/civil unions are legalized, you still need to show the document as proof before even being allowed so much as a visit. While you will be allowed to visit, you still are denied the ability to care for and carry out decisions wanted by your partner. Conversely, all you have to say is "I'm his wife" or "I'm her husband" on the other side of the coin, and there are no legal barriers whatsoever, and no proof required.

- In fact, there are a total of 1,138 benefits and responsibilities afforded based on marital status that do not apply to civil unions. Spousal benefits, the allowance to take unpaid leave for spousal care, the right not to testify against your spouse, social security survival benefits, bereavement leave .. all things same sex couples are not entitled to. How about sponsoring your partner and/or children for immigration? Nope, can't get married, so your partner has no legal right to live with you. Lovely eh?

- In 34 different states, you can be fired simply for being gay. In 44 different sites, you can be fired for being transgendered.

So really, it's not absurd at all. What's absurd is that the simple words 'MAN' and 'WOMAN' are preventing a large chunk of the population from having access to the rights that they SHOULD ALREADY HAVE. Next time, do a little research before calling it "absurd".

[quote name='m3rox' post='3760004' date='Jul 6 2011, 10:30 PM']Homosexuality isn't normal. It's a malfunction. We tolerate it.[/quote]
If it's not normal, then why are they wild animals that are homosexual?

lilsypha, that sounds like the US is totally messed up with respect to Human and Civil Rights and Equality. That's far from the case in other places around the world.

[quote name='xist' post='3761143' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:30 AM']lilsypha, that sounds like the US is totally messed up with respect to Human and Civil Rights and Equality. That's far from the case in other places around the world.[/quote]
It actually is.
But really is makes sense at this point. We are just the newest thing to pick on. Much like Black people, Communists, Japanese, Witches, ect. were in the pasts. Really this is just a trend of hate used as a distraction from the real issues. I give this another 5 to 10 years and it will be another random group of people who are being picked on for no reason and homosexuals will be accepted.
It's just a trend.

[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3760357' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:06 AM']Uh, not every TV show or videogame has drama. I don't watch the simpsons for the drama, nor do I play Tetris for the drama.[/quote]

Tension is dramatic, therefore you DO play Tetris for the drama.

[quote name='A Gay Little Catboy' post='3761133' date='Jul 7 2011, 04:22 PM'][quote name='m3rox' post='3760004' date='Jul 6 2011, 10:30 PM']Homosexuality isn't normal. It's a malfunction. We tolerate it.[/quote]
If it's not normal, then why are they wild animals that are homosexual?
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This is true. +1 for statement. Also, M3rox states it as a malfunciton. I don't see it that way, because, even if animals do it, it is not a malfunction. Who are you to judge/giving that opinion? Are you a neurologist? I didn't think so. If you don't tolerate it, then shut up and go on, don't ruin somebody's blog with flaming/trolling. Is this gonna be the second BIG flamewar of the last two weeks?

So why then, for example, would any company in the UK be totally mauled by the legal system if they dismissed a person solely due to their sexuality? Trends would be far more similar in similar countries. Seems that it's less a trend but more rooted in the fundamental religious foundations of the US as a whole.

[quote name='m3rox' post='3760004' date='Jul 7 2011, 03:30 AM']Homosexuality isn't normal. It's a malfunction. We tolerate it.[/quote]
This statement isn't a fact. It's an opinion. We tolerate it.

[quote name='xist' post='3761153' date='Jul 7 2011, 10:37 AM']So why then, for example, would any company in the UK be totally mauled by the legal system if they dismissed a person solely due to their sexuality? Trends would be far more similar in similar countries. Seems that it's less a trend but more rooted in the fundamental religious foundations of the US as a whole.[/quote]
What I mean by trend, I mean it's something the US uses as a simple distraction, but once it becomes accepted they move on to another group of people. So it's the same shit, different people.

[quote name='xist' post='3761143' date='Jul 7 2011, 06:30 AM']lilsypha, that sounds like the US is totally messed up with respect to Human and Civil Rights and Equality. That's far from the case in other places around the world.[/quote]

You bet. I'm just trying to offer some insight as to why it's an issue people are fighting for over here. Me, I live in Canada where it's a shade more liberal, but the marriage vs. civil union thing is still just as much of a problem here as it is there. It's the deep-seated religious foundation that's the core root of the problem -- separate church and state, and oh the wonders.......