Transgender doesn't make sense

Can't people stop being Transgender?​

People say that sex and gender are two different things. And say gender is a social construct. So for someone to call themselves transgender, instead of transexual, doesn't that mean the transgender person can change their gender at will, to whatever gender they want since its a social construct. So my question is, why do they say they can't change who they are because they were born that way? Which goes against their own belief that gender is a social construct. And why does genderfluid exist as an option? Isn't it redundant since it's implied that gender is a construct that can be changed.

And doesn't the definition of Transgender say that they were born one sex but feel like the other gender. So the term "transgender" according to them isn't something you are born with, and isn't innate, its opposite of the way you were raised from birth, and there isn't something biologically there to make them feel like the other gender.

So how do they come to feel like the other gender? Did they just one day decided to choose to feel like a different gender just because? Did they do it too make themselves feel special? Just like teenagers that call themselves otherkin, wolfkin or dragonkin? And since gender is a social construct, it's something thats made up like all social constructs are. So why should we take something that's made up seriously? And is there some psychological depression going on that they want to make themselves feel unique and different? Maybe because they aren't being noticed? So they do it for attention?

Unless gender and sex are the same thing, and gender isn't a social construct, which means they can't change themselves. So my other question is, with all these 100+ genders, how can a doctor determine at birth whether or not a person is a Androgyne or a Demiboy? Is there any scientific facts a doctor can lean on to determine which one. And how does one transition from androgyne to a demiboy? Where they born with demiboy body parts but feel like a androgyne? Is there hormones they can take to transition to demiboy? If there is hardly scientific facts that demiboy exists, why should we take all these genders seriously?

There are people going through tribunal courts in Canada for misgendering people, since its now a crime punishable by law. In New York its punishable by law if you misgender someone, because you don't believe that all these genders (that have not much scientific backing) exists. And they want to incorporate this all around the U.S. So if we are going to change society, and punish people, with full backing of the law, then they are going to have to explain to us what this Gender business is all about. And prove they exist.
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@Old I didn't see any hatespeech in the op. I saw a lot of questions from someone trying to make sense of a concept they don't understand. But you constantly referring to "alt rights" makes it pretty clear you have hate and prejudice of your own. Unfortunately youre not helping anyone with that chip on your shoulder.

What makes transgender confusing is that gender and gender identity are two different things. Gender is defined as a set of pronouns to distinguish between two sets of people based on physical sex. By this definition, gender and sex are static and based strictly on the presence or absence of the y gene. Gender identity, however, is a completely different concept and is reliant on the function of the individual's brain. Its a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow, but it is a mental abnormality.

Society's reaction to gender dysphoria is the problem. Like with any issue, people just draw a line in the sand and pick a side. It easily fits the 'liberal' - 'conservative' war. Right along with guns, abortion, and welfare. I just treat people the way they deserve to be treated. If they're cool, they get my respect.

As someone else pointed out, gender roles are a social construct as well. There are assumptions made about a person's lifestyle based on their sexual gender. Like men work in certain environments and women are caregivers etc. What I'm wondering is, is a trans person's gender identity based on these gender roles? Wouldn't you just be a very feminine male or masculine female if you were solely expressing your mental gender? The fact that so many need to transition (either physically, hormonally, dressing, etc) suggest to me that its more of a statement. Youre not only expressing your gender, but your projecting your view of societies standard for that gender. This tells me there is more to this condition than the simple "I'm a 'gender' in a 'sex' body.".
 
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@J-Machine "just ignore it, it doesn't affect you!"
People have the right to talk about social issues. In this day and age, information spreads fast. Ignoring a problem does not make it better.

We tried ignoring the HIV crisis for the longest, and now look at what we have to thank.
 
@WeedZ Stop it, you're triggering Old. He's so used to being able to shout people down, or have stuff he finds to be wrong think to be deleted.
 
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Your average Joe who surfs the internet doesn't want to be labeled a "homophobe" or "transphobe", so they keep their mouth shut.
While probably true for the time being I should note that for better or worse the terms are becoming overused, much akin to how both racist and sexist were overused and now people are often dismissing such accusations, and their impact is rather less than it was a few years back.

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But yeah, that's all for me, as I don't see the idea of voicing my opinion about transgender on a vidya gaming site
While computer games are certainly a focus... actually I can't even say things branched out as discussions about whatever have been here for as long as I can recall. A blog post dedicated specifically to it seems like a perfectly apt place to discuss things. By all means opt out, this does not seem to be being a particularly productive example, but as a general notion for the site membership at large I can't get behind that.
 
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While I'm sure it's fun to pretend to be an oppressed minority, your sheer lack of evidence on anything you claim in this post weakens your argument by a significant standard. You claim "science" and try to string together an argument using misleading and misinformed logical conclusions. This doesn't hold up in any respectable academic platform. I respect the partisan views of others, but if you're going to try to convince someone else of your delusional thinking, fight with sources and verified facts from respectable medical publishers, not your meaningless and arbitrary feelings.
 
@WeedZ "Gender is defined as a set of pronouns to distinguish between two sets of people based on physical sex." So when you call someone "he" or "she," you've had a look at their bits? Or felt them up? Or if you did look/feel them up, and they had both genitals or some that lies outside "two sets," what pronoun do you use then? Is it more accurate to say you just make a conclusion based on their appearance? This is at the crux of 'trans panic.' Sex is so much more complex than "the presence of a Y gene." I encourage you to look up Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. And possibly other states of being, like having a single X gene, XXY, XYY, XXYY, etc. Or people who are 'physically' men or 'physically' women but have the 'opposite genes.'

Gender identity and gender dysphoria are not a mental abnormalities. That's why trans people are unaffected by medication used to treat schizophrenia and other conditions. Because there is nothing wrong with the brain itself. It is developmentally normal; it simply developed differently than other parts of the body. This is of course not getting into actual mental health issues that may develop later in life like depression, anxiety, etc., for a host of reasons.
 
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@Xue first I just want you to know that I don't want anything I said to be taken negatively. There's nothing wrong with abnormal. We all have something abnormal about us. I almost edited that part out of my post because I worried it would be taken that way.

That's the definition of gender. Obviously you'd have to make some assumptions about the person your referring to if you didn't know any better. We also have the word race, which means ethnic background, but yet someone may mistake an Irishman for an Englishman, or a Korean person for a Chinese. But we don't bother trying to perfect this word or make varying definitions to prevent these mistakes. I'm obviously not going to run a DNA background before making an assumption about someone's origins, just as I'm not going to look at someone's junk to be sure of their sex.

Gender dysphoria is a mental abnormality. Its abnormal, not common. I would agree that schizophrenia meds are a bad idea. But having a gender identity that is opposite of your physical one is a problem, something went wrong. You say its normal and does not require medication. If its normal, why does it so often require surgery, hormone therapy or transitioning?
 
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"gender dysphoria are not a mental abnormalities. That's why trans people are unaffected by medication used to treat schizophrenia and other conditions."

a) Different drugs do different things and one may have no demonstrable effect on another condition. That is not then a terribly useful thing to argue here. Similarly not all conditions need to be treated with drugs as much as various therapies. Going further there are some that at various levels (if you are allowed to bring in edge cases like CAIS then so I am I) which respond to hormones.
b) Such things appear in the two main medical manuals for dealing with psychiatric problems ( https://www.researchgate.net/public...SM-5_Diagnostic_Criteria_for_Gender_Dysphoria and https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F60-F69/F64- ) and the state itself is very much within the domain of psychiatry, and not just as an aggravating factor in other conditions.

As far as not a mental abnormality then it is far from common in the population at large, and when left unaddressed can cause no small percentage of those with it to experience distress.

As much as the following feels like one of those disclaimers I hate making then at no point does it make someone with such a state any less human, worthy of compassion or other such things. At the same time as far as I can tell such a thing has no particularly useful bearing on someone's moral or intellectual character. Still an abnormality whether you go by more medical definitions or by general understandings of the term.
 
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To the people that keep reporting posts in this blog because they offend you:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as they express it in a civil manner and don't encourage hate/racist/homophobic behavior, then they should be able to speak their mind.

I see nothing wrong with the blog post. This person is raising questions and if you disagree then feel free to "educate" him. If you think preventing discussions is going to solve problems you're dead wrong. Use this as a terrain for expressing your own opinion.

As for myself, I personally am a firm LGBTQ advocate and I will not tolerate content that promotes homophobic behavior. If comments start to badly derail, we will punish those that break the rules with due severity.
 
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Hopefully I'm not the one being reported, I'm an advocate as well. I'm just stirring some questions.
 
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@Costello There was this one thread that was deleted one or two days ago in the off-topic section with this guy being a complete jerk with the non straight people on the forums... Took you guys time to take action :/
 
I checked next day when a few mods were online. This guy posts were still there when the thread was still open :unsure:
 
Costello I don't mean to be rude at all but you only mentioned punishment for homophobic behaviour, what about transphobic stuff (Which is more likely on a thread like this)?
I know that in the end this is just everyone expressing their opinions but there is a line where it becomes discrimination and that has been crossed a couple of times.
 
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I also made that assumption, but it wasn't clear and in writing. When laying down rules its best to be perfectly clear and not "woolly" so it seemed odd to me that only one of them was pulled out as an example, especially the one that has the least bearing on the current topic.
 
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Gender isn't a spectrum or social construct. Trans-gendered people are people who feel dysphoria with their physical gender so they go through hoops to get that addressed. There's research suggesting they are born with the biological brains of their desired gender.
Trans identity nonsense is just nonsense that SJWs conjured up in the past several years, real trans people don't identify as trans, they identify as a man or woman and many publicly identify as their born physical gender until they get the change done as they don't want to cause a stir with people who can't be expected to treat them as their desired gender.
Notice how Caitlyn Jenner didn't make a fuss about being trans, she just waited for the right time to stop presenting as Bruce, explained to the media what that's all about, and noone's heard a peep about it from her in years, much to the ire of SJWs who think she's a traitor for not making a fuss and just moving on with the life she fought so hard for.
 
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Damn, people were really mass reporting this, because a guy brought up a point, and asked questions? How sensitive can you get?
 
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