I heard about power save, was ready to get a 3ds and pokemon, but then...

Lol.

Just clone a whole bunch of shinies and trade them off on the GTS for what you want, if it's not good enough for you breed them to get desired IVs. Also, get x999 Wings and EV training takes less than 5 minutes with no annoying horde battles.

The ability to flatout generate any pokemon on a whim in X&Y (not pokegen) would be gamebreaking and frankly ruin any chance at competitive play being any fun whatsoever, so do some work like the rest of us and stop expecting things to be handed to you on a silver platter like they were in past generations.

Marat Dolzhenko said:

I'm a competitive player, I beat story mode then I just gen all my pokemon (legit of course)

I heard about this powersave thing and thought 'finally' i can play again; but after research I realized it's just BS, won't be no genning for a while.

No 3ds, no pokemon y, and no powersave for me; I refuse to buy any of those products until I can play competitively without spending hours making 1 pokemon; i have essays and studying that's more important.

IDC about these new 5iv methods, either it's 1) flash cart with modifiable save where like old times open the .sav, edit box, and hit save; or a powersave type tool where I can make pokemon like that.

Yea I know you can send over pokemon from gen 5 but that's not good enough 1) no items 2) no new abilities 3) A lot of gen 6 pokemon are top tier and some not even breedable/complete pain in the ass to get to a competitive state.

All these companies, listen, let us gen pokemon, and we'll throw you monies. easy as that.

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If nobody can do it then you can play competitively without them.......unless you meant," I want max stats so I can beat people who aren't just generating Pokemon".....in which case you don't want "competitive" play, you simply want to be able to win easier because you can't compete by normal means

A lot of people think if you have to go to school and work part-time, or if you've got a full-time job and a family to look after then you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy competitive play. How close-minded do you have to be to look at someone and say, just because they can't afford putting the extra hours in to set something up, "you aren't allowed to have fun."

code22 said:

Lol.

Just clone a whole bunch of shinies and trade them off on the GTS for what you want, if it's not good enough for you breed them to get desired IVs. Also, get x999 Wings and EV training takes less than 5 minutes with no annoying horde battles.

The ability to flatout generate any pokemon on a whim in X&Y (not pokegen) would be gamebreaking and frankly ruin any chance at competitive play being any fun whatsoever, so do some work like the rest of us and stop expecting things to be handed to you on a silver platter like they were in past generations.

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Genning has never been game-breaking and has never really changed competitive play in any way other than introducing Legendaries into the various tiers with greater numbers. Without genners, the competitive environment would be almost identical to what it is now and has always been, except significantly smaller. The same Pokemon would be in each tier, and you'd see them in the same numbers, except, again, possibly Legendaries because the only way to get good stats on those is RNG abuse.

If I may bring up an analogue, I am (or was???) a Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG player, and a couple years ago a new website surfaced which allowed anyone to make an account and build a deck with whatever legal cards existed for free, thereby allowing anyone to play with any cards, often giving people who can't afford certain things access to the more competitive decks they want to play. At first, very similar to the common complaint of the "legal" Pokemon players, a lot of people complained that they shouldn't be allowed to do that. They wouldn't have the cards in real life, so they shouldn't have the cards online. Nowadays, very few people react that way because almost everyone realized how stupid it was. Not only is it reasonable for everyone to be allowed to play with every card, it's beneficial to the competitive environment because it allows for a greater base of people to test and develop current and new strategies and gives everyone more potential players using the most competitive strategies to test against, thereby benefiting all sides, the "legal" player, the "non-legal", and the competitive scene as a whole.

Oh, and surprisingly, it's equally as fun playing against someone whether or not they can afford the cards. Honestly, it's never even been a relevant matter to me after a duel. I never ask someone "do you even have those cards in real life" afterward.

gamesquest1 said:

If nobody can do it then you can play competitively without them.......unless you meant," I want max stats so I can beat people who aren't just generating Pokemon".....in which case you don't want "competitive" play, you simply want to be able to win easier because you can't compete by normal means

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It's weird how some people who breed 5-6 IV Pokemon somehow think their Pokemon are inferior 5-6 IV genned Pokemon for no reason other than that the genners are cheating. Again, aside from Legendaries, every single thing that a genner makes abiding by legal standards cannot possibly be better than anything you could make by breeding. His Pokemon wouldn't be better than yours unless you weren't a good breeder.

Izen said:

It's weird how some people who breed 5-6 IV Pokemon somehow think their Pokemon are inferior 5-6 IV genned Pokemon for no reason other than that the genners are cheating. Again, aside from Legendaries, every single thing that a genner makes abiding by legal standards cannot possibly be better than anything you could make by breeding. His Pokemon wouldn't be better than yours unless you weren't a good breeder.

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im not saying they are better or worse, just that right now most users are in the same boat, if people could just generate pokemon with max stats to compete with the people who are spending hours breeding perfect pokemon...that leaves the normal average user in the boat of not being able to play any matches competitively without resorting to buying extra kit to generate pokemon or spending hours trying to breed them because the "perfect" pokemon are too common

gamesquest1 said:

im not saying they are better or worse, just that right now most users are in the same boat, if people could just generate pokemon with max stats to compete with the people who are spending hours breeding perfect pokemon...that leaves the normal average user in the boat of not being able to play any matches competitively without resorting to buying extra kit to generate pokemon or spending hours trying to breed them because the "perfect" pokemon are too common

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That's simple a result of the game mechanic. IVs, EVs, and Natures exist, therefore the people who can manipulate them, whether it be by breeding or genning, will rise to the top. It's not the fault of neither breeders nor genners. It's the Pokemon Company's fault for adding them in the first place.

Honestly, I don't think IVs add anything to competitive play, as almost every Pokemon will want to have 31 IVs in everything that matters, barring Hidden Power and Trick Room users, but EVs and Natures allow one species of Pokemon to fill different roles with different stat distributions, i.e. Bulky Rotom-Wash vs Speedy Rotom-Wash (though I prefer a mix of both).

Finally some smart replies!
I love what Izen said, gen 4 moltres was OU (TOP) teir; how are you going to get a 31 iv moltres with the right nature without genning?
Unless you gen 252 in EVERY EV (hacked pokemon) then you're just saving time.

Out of all my years watching youtube battles, I've only seen one popular youtuber who did not pokegen (i preferred pokesav) his pokemon.

If you breed and EV train a perfect pokemon, it's no different then a genned one. Just some people don't have time, I can't even afford a 3ds and I'm 20!

On the topic of yugioh, I play on that website a lot with a friend who has all the cards, and doesn't care. He's actually happy there's a website like that because I can't afford all the staples and a good meta deck, and I get to play on the same level as him in a legit environment. Also No mess IRL

This debate has been around as long as smogon, and the masses came to the conclusion that as long as you gen a pokemon with legit stats it's all good

Took me 20 minutes to get a 5IV Moltres using a Ralts with synchronize to get the right Nature, by soft reseting. Legendaries now have a 3 IV minimum at 31.

You can breed anything in even less time using a 6IV Ditto with Destiny Knot now in Gen 6.

Stop being a lazy asshole, also, this is not your personal blog, nobody cares.

Silentsurvivor said:

You can breed anything in even less time using a 6IV Ditto with Destiny Knot now in Gen 6.

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Just out of curiosity, how long did it take you to catch a 6 IV Ditto?

That's not the question here. The guy wants to gen shit, and he will only buy the game if he can do so - you can just gen a 6IV Ditto from Gen V and then breed your pogeymuns pretty easy on Gen 6. Just goes to show how lazy you have to be to say something like that.

Silentsurvivor said:

That's not the question here. The guy wants to gen shit, and he will only buy the game if he can do so - you can just gen a 6IV Ditto from Gen V and then breed your pogeymuns pretty easy on Gen 6. Just goes to show how lazy you have to be to say something like that.

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Genning is genning, be it for making the Pokemon itself or creating the means to make it. Both are cheating.

Keep in mind that some people work. For a living. 8 hours a day. 5 days a week. If people like that want to play competitively, it's not as easy as soft-reseting your game until you get that 1 in ~340 (3 guaranteed 31s and three 1/32 chances to get 31s in two other stats) chance to get a Moltres with 5 IVs, or significantly smaller chance to get those 31s in the preferable stats, then again divide that chance by two for the chance at the right nature with Synchronize.

And keep in mind that video games are supposed to be fun. Soft resetting 4,000 times for one Pokemon isn't fun. Pokemon battles are.