"Xbox Live's such a train wreck,"

[Sterling]

Fuck, thought I was editing previous post... :/

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

How far do you end up from said flat screen? I highly doubt you can connect your tv to the computer and be at a comfortable distance to play with a mouse and keyboard. Even if they are wireless, you have to have a hard surface to place and play efficiently. If you are forced to use a controller, I think you would be better off buying a console that is a dedicated platform with everything installed and ready to go out of the box.

Actually, you don't need a hard surface. I'm on my bed with my keyboard and mouse right now.
As long as the bed doesn't cave in, it's fine.

A PS3 comes with wi-fi, I can play my ps3 from the other side of the room with the internet connection elsewhere.
But with my 360, I have to have my internet connection or my laptop close and handy for the damn ethernet cable.
Thankfully, I plan on getting a slim to fix that issue v_v

One of the most annoying things about Live is paying for it. I don't mind spending money, but I agree with TDWP, I only pay for every three months(And that's when I buy a good game) or so, because I don't need a year, I don't play my 360 that much. So why should I pay to play online when I can play for free?

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

I hate how profit driven MS is. They could probably generate a hell lot more sales and thus, more profit if they release more free DLC

 

[Sterling]

How far do you end up from said flat screen? I highly doubt you can connect your tv to the computer and be at a comfortable distance to play with a mouse and keyboard. Even if they are wireless, you have to have a hard surface to place and play efficiently. If you are forced to use a controller, I think you would be better off buying a console that is a dedicated platform with everything installed and ready to go out of the box.

Actually, you don't need a hard surface. I'm on my bed with my keyboard and mouse right now.
As long as the bed doesn't cave in, it's fine.

A PS3 comes with wi-fi, I can play my ps3 from the other side of the room with the internet connection elsewhere.
But with my 360, I have to have my internet connection or my laptop close and handy for the damn ethernet cable.
Thankfully, I plan on getting a slim to fix that issue v_v

One of the most annoying things about Live is paying for it. I don't mind spending money, but I agree with TDWP, I only pay for every three months(And that's when I buy a good game) or so, because I don't need a year, I don't play my 360 that much. So why should I pay to play online when I can play for free?

My point was: can you still play an efficient game of CS or another precision game on anything other than a stable hard surface. My mouse would always get stuck or unresponsive on my bed. The fact that it is an optical mouse makes not difference.

Quick EDIT: There are adapters for wireless. They are even sold on DX for a lot cheaper than in stores. There is one that is quite a bit more expensive, but for the average gamer who uses the console to play games online, then it is more than sufficient.

 

[iGotTheSmores]

@ Sterl500 - Most newer graphics cards come with an HDMI out, or an mini-HDMI to HDMI out. Most your newer LCD also have a VGA/DVI input. So there for you can hook it up to what ever the hell you wanted to. Say an DLP/LCD Projector. (Which you'll find a great deal of PC gamers do.)

You can sit as far as an Wirless/BT M/K will let you, and the distance is what ever is comfortable to the player. I have sat 5 feet from the screen and playing TF2 with no problems (that is with on a 52'' bravia). You can simple have a stand to sit with that will hold the M/K.

I've played many games of CS on a none stable surface. Such as a bed, even shag carpet. No unresponsive-ness/Sticky reticule.

@ TDWP FTW - Thumbstick press act as a button huh? Well so can a single keystroke on a key board.
PC Gamers have mocked Console gamers for years. The M/K will always be superior of the standard controller.
Paying 500$ for a new video card? Pshh, if you are a smart shopper not. I paid around 300$ for my GTX 470, which is plenty of power. You don't have to replace your graphics card ever 6-8months anymore. Cards are able to be OC'd almost 2:1 the card is factory clocked. Even then they will SLI or Crossfire to cheaper cards.
You may pay 200$ for your xbox, for inferior hardware and no dedicated servers. No modding even close to PC Games. I think I go with the PC.

@ ZAFDeltaForce - MS is nothing but profit driven. All in all, even with flashing drives (Jtags excluded) They are still making a hugh profit. When a ban wave hits, what do a good bit of that percentage do, go out and buy another console. I wouldn't say at all that hey aren't still making a large profit with that amount of Piracy going on.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

PCs cost a fair chunk, Xbox's are decent substitutes to one if you don't want to spend the money on a good gaming computer. They also have other pros like XBLA games and some decent enough non-PC games.

Xbox Live is a rip-off and I realize that Microsoft are essentially stealing my cash, but I pay for it since I like to hang with my friends online (and they all have Xbox's) and as a service it's actually pretty good, just not worth the $60 you pay per year (it's $60 per year soon). I just have disposable income (it's not like I have a house or car or have to pay any bills, all my money is open range) so I decide to waste a bit of it on Xbox Live. That's my decision.

The only reason Valve is saying it's a "train wreck" is because they've probably gotten some deal with Sony to show favoritism to Sony. That's all it is.

tl;dr: Stop trolling, if you have a gaming computer good for you, for those of us who don't then a Xbox is good. My friend even has a gaming computer and a Xbox and likes 'em both. And he's quite the PC gamer.

 

[mehrab2603]

you think sony would make a deal with the company that called PS3 a waste?

 

[iGotTheSmores]

PCs cost a fair chunk, Xbox's are decent substitutes to one if you don't want to spend the money on a good gaming computer. They also have other pros like XBLA games and some decent enough non-PC games.

Xbox Live is a rip-off and I realize that Microsoft are essentially stealing my cash, but I pay for it since I like to hang with my friends online (and they all have Xbox's) and as a service it's actually pretty good, just not worth the $60 you pay per year (it's $60 per year soon). I just have disposable income (it's not like I have a house or car or have to pay any bills, all my money is open range) so I decide to waste a bit of it on Xbox Live. That's my decision.

The only reason Valve is saying it's a "train wreck" is because they've probably gotten some deal with Sony to show favoritism to Sony. That's all it is.

tl;dr: Stop trolling, if you have a gaming computer good for you, for those of us who don't then a Xbox is good. My friend even has a gaming computer and a Xbox and likes 'em both. And he's quite the PC gamer.

I'm not trying to "troll" in anyway, was stating my opinion and correct statements made.
I agree that XBL is a great service, but it isn't worth 60$ a year, specially for the "Features" they added are BS things I can access from a PC for free. Reason I stopped paying for live, as when you have bills its not wonderful to shell out more of what small amount of disposable income you have for the same old same old with a little sparkly icing on top. I just prefer the online gaming on a PC, I do enjoy my Wii, PS3, and 360 equally.

I rather believe they are showing favoritism of Sony, because its openness as a platform to distribute their software and patches/updates.
** On a side note I am cranky that Ep. 3 has been on the back burner forever.

 

[MeritsAlone]

you think sony would make a deal with the company that called PS3 a waste?

They just did... Besides what would you pick for your gamers to enjoy, a 60 dollars per year subscription or a totally free non costing (better graphics...) network?

 

[Sterling]

PCs cost a fair chunk, Xbox's are decent substitutes to one if you don't want to spend the money on a good gaming computer. They also have other pros like XBLA games and some decent enough non-PC games.

Xbox Live is a rip-off and I realize that Microsoft are essentially stealing my cash, but I pay for it since I like to hang with my friends online (and they all have Xbox's) and as a service it's actually pretty good, just not worth the $60 you pay per year (it's $60 per year soon). I just have disposable income (it's not like I have a house or car or have to pay any bills, all my money is open range) so I decide to waste a bit of it on Xbox Live. That's my decision.

The only reason Valve is saying it's a "train wreck" is because they've probably gotten some deal with Sony to show favoritism to Sony. That's all it is.

tl;dr: Stop trolling, if you have a gaming computer good for you, for those of us who don't then a Xbox is good. My friend even has a gaming computer and a Xbox and likes 'em both. And he's quite the PC gamer.
I'm not trying to "troll" in anyway, was stating my opinion and correct statements made.
I agree that XBL is a great service, but it isn't worth 60$ a year, specially for the "Features" they added are BS things I can access from a PC for free. Reason I stopped paying for live, as when you have bills its not wonderful to shell out more of what small amount of disposable income you have for the same old same old with a little sparkly icing on top. I just prefer the online gaming on a PC, I do enjoy my Wii, PS3, and 360 equally.

I rather believe they are showing favoritism of Sony, because its openness as a platform to distribute their software and patches/updates.
** On a side note I am cranky that Ep. 3 has been on the back burner forever.

No I know you aren't trying to troll. It's just for a decent gaming rig you must have more than what an initial cost for an Xbox 360 + 1 year of live costs right out of the box. $260 + straight out of the box is very cheap, while a decent gaming rig can cost in upwards of $500 - 600 if you build it yourself, and more if you buy it. Then you mentioned a projector. Cheapest one in a quick google is over $300, I got my HD Flat Screen for less, so now you're up to $900 or more for a rig with a screen that may not have the best picture. Also the problem with sitting back with a m/k is that you still need a decent surface to put it all on. It has to be wide enough to provide a good range of movement, without the m/k being on the edge at any time. I don't care how much you say it's easy to enjoy a computer game with a m/k on a surface like a bed or a carpet. I have done this several times, and almost always move back to my desk. I do agree that Live is definitely more expensive than it should be, but all the costs outweigh the initial costs of a gaming rig that has enough power. When the next console comes out you'll probably will have to make an upgrade to your gaming rig, which then it MIGHT be cheaper than the cost of the next console.

QUOTE(mehrab2603 @ Sep 10 2010, 01:39 PM)

you think sony would make a deal with the company that called PS3 a waste?

They just did... Besides what would you pick for your gamers to enjoy, a 60 dollars per year subscription or a totally free non costing (better graphics...) network?

Only a few exclusives on the PS3 go online, and they aren't enough to warrant a PS3 purchase for me. The ones that do go online are usually the cross platform games that you would expect to be better on the PS3, but still look better on the 360.

 

[PrinceNOOB]

you think sony would make a deal with the company that called PS3 a waste?

They just did... Besides what would you pick for your gamers to enjoy, a 60 dollars per year subscription or a totally free non costing (better graphics...) network?

I can't agree more I barely play xbl compared to my ps3.

 

[Deleted User]

This would be great in my debates - is Live a train wreck.

 

[DSGamer64]

It's like Newell can never say anything without exaggerating a lot. Yes, the PS3 is hard to program for, but that doesn't mean it's a disaster and Sony should just start over. Yes, Sony has a better policy when it comes to free DLC and overall "openness" (Epic can confirm that as well), but that doesn't mean Xbox Live is anything near bad.

Xbox Live is crap end of discussion.
Microsoft = greedy bastards they give extremely little for free.

If the Game Developers want to release game content for free for the fans that have already bought there game(s) then they should be able to do whatever the hell they want with it, afterall it's THEIR content THEY made it not Microsoft.

The only reason Microsoft is so popular (and yet seemingly unpopular) is because they have enough money to throw around to decorate things that are utter crap with a coating of prettiness.

Yup, Live sucks balls for a lot of reasons. Good service but there is no way in hell I am paying 60 dollars a year to talk and play games with my friends who live 10 minutes down the road, I got Skype, AIM and MSN if I want to communicate with someone for free, it's like paying to use a dating site but you can do everything but message people for free. That plus they need to get rid of the points system, it's a fucking joke and insulting to customers.

 

[SPH73]

In particular It's a huge turnaround for Newell, a man who once called PS3 "a waste of everybody's time" - something for which he later apologised for to owners of the console.

Pro-Tip: He still feels that way, as do most developers working on PS3 this gen. Sony systems have always been difficult to program, and now with the bluray format PS3 dev costs are much higher than they are on every other console and PC. So Gabe, hasn't changed his opinion, he's just not sharing that opinion with the general public. (Putting on his best PR face.) But trust me, most devs, and especially Gabe, still share a major disdain for the PS3.

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[antwill]

Gabe should stop complaining about shit and get off his fat ass and get to work on ep 3 already.

 

[FireGrey]

 

[kirby145]

The statement is simply not true. DICE/EA have pushed several game content updates for free (I believe they are on multiplayer update 3 now). These updates are mandatory to play online and are each about 100-300 mb.

They have no idea what's going on.

 

[antwill]

The statement is simply not true. DICE/EA have pushed several game content updates for free (I believe they are on multiplayer update 3 now). These updates are mandatory to play online and are each about 100-300 mb.

They have no idea what's going on.

Shhh you're ruining valve's trolling and their mindless fanboys agreeing with whatever they say.

 

[FireGrey]

Well anyway, that crosses XBOX off my list.
My list:

3DS
PC
TV
PS3

 

[Rydian]

The statement is simply not true. DICE/EA have pushed several game content updates for free (I believe they are on multiplayer update 3 now). These updates are mandatory to play online and are each about 100-300 mb.

They have no idea what's going on.GO GO GADGET FIRST POST READING SKILLS!

QUOTEwith developers allowed as little as one free title update (though there are exceptions) and limitations on the amount of free game content they can release.