Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

Discussion in 'Wii - Backup Loaders' started by air2004, Jul 13, 2012.

Jul 13, 2012
    • Member

    air2004 Air

    Member Since:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Message Count:
    1,366
    Location:
    Anytown
    Country:
    United States
    Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?
    Yes I understand the point of anti-piracy measures , but for a project such as this one it seems kind of odd for a few reasons.

    Reasons to remove AP

    1. The gamecube is old as hell .
    2. Can you still buy new gamecube games from the store ? I don't know , but I don't think you can.
    3. Will being able to play these old games on new hardware make you wanna go out and buy them ? I wouldn't think so.
    4. Are they still releasing new titles for the gamecube ? I don't know
    5. Removing the protection may actually get people to buy hardware they otherwise wouldn't.


    • Member

    MushGuy New Member

    Member Since:
    Feb 11, 2010
    Message Count:
    384
    Country:
    United States
    6. Do we really want to get out broken disc drives fixed? That would really defeat the purpose of the USB loader. Not to mention the current Wii models that lack GC support.
    AndrewRoks1998, JayRo, XDel and 10 others like this.
    • Member

    AbdallahTerro da KiNG

    Member Since:
    Jan 14, 2012
    Message Count:
    3,539
    Location:
    Ideas factory :)
    Country:
    Lebanon
    Exactly,
    Imagine if all emulators has AP... omg

    or even better
    Imagine yourself telling the guy in the store that you need this old GC game's DVD in order to play the game using a USB loader... You'll get kicked probably
    • Member

    Peps New Member

    Member Since:
    Jun 28, 2009
    Message Count:
    240
    Country:
    Ireland
    The developer of a game may decide to re-release their game on a modern platform in the future. If there was a means of playing their game at the moment without you purchasing it, then that's a potential sale lost for that developer.
    • Member

    JoostinOnline Certified Crash Test Dummy

    Member Since:
    Apr 2, 2011
    Message Count:
    9,162
    Location:
    The Twilight Zone
    Country:
    United States
    Reasons:
    1) tueidj doesn't want his work used for illegal activity.
    2) It doesn't matter how old the GC is, that doesn't make piracy okay.
    3) Because it's his work and he can do whatever he wants with it.

    As I said in another thread (which got closed), just enjoy this breakthrough. It's an amazing accomplishment. GC USB loading without having to install anything.
    DinohScene, xwatchmanx, Ron and 4 others like this.
    • Member

    nando New Member

    Member Since:
    Jan 1, 2008
    Message Count:
    2,003
    Country:
    United States
    what's this devolution thing? i can do what? i need to read up.
    • Member

    RupeeClock Colors 3D Snivy!

    Member Since:
    May 15, 2008
    Message Count:
    6,113
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    So I'm assuming it's a GC loader with an on-the-fly MIOS patch or something?

    If not him, someone else will end up making their own GC loader without anti-piracy measures like this. He's generating the demand for it.
    curley12 likes this.
  1. MushGuy
    This message by MushGuy has been removed from public view by a moderator, Jul 23, 2014.
    Jul 13, 2012
    • Member

    Zetta_x The Insane Statistician

    Member Since:
    Mar 4, 2010
    Message Count:
    1,812
    Country:
    United States
    It's Tueidj's program and he can do whatever the hell he wants. If he wanted you to type in the Konami code to continue then either do that or gtfo.

    His opinions obviously differ from yours.

    Edit: And mushguy, you better not that I am sucking up to the developer of the program... I don't even know who he is other than previous work. I don't post on the temp that often (to care about my reputation) nor do I care if he see's anything I say. My only motivation for posting is because I hate when people feel their opinions are worth more than the developer of the program. Anti-Piracy measures have been around since the beginning of time, I think Tueidj has had more than enough time to decide his stance.
    4 people like this.
  2. MushGuy
    This message by MushGuy has been removed from public view by a moderator, Jul 23, 2014.
    Jul 13, 2012
    • Member

    RupeeClock Colors 3D Snivy!

    Member Since:
    May 15, 2008
    Message Count:
    6,113
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    His efforts to enforce anti-piracy are wasted anyway, when someone who wanted to download gamecube games could just use DIOS MIOS instead.
    To be clear though I certainly don't disagree with the stance, but imagine if Dolphin-emulator tried to enforce something such as this. The project would be immediately less popular as a result.
    curley12, Lemzy101, Ron and 2 others like this.
    • Member

    g4jek8j54 New Member

    Member Since:
    Aug 30, 2007
    Message Count:
    456
    Country:
    United States
    I really think that this discussion is pointless, considering that if you want to pirate GameCube games, then you can just use DIOS-MIOS. While I can understand some of the arguments for not having the anti-piracy (mainly that the GameCube is a dead system), it is tueidj's program, and he can design it however he wants. As stated above, perhaps he does not want his work to be used as a warez loader. If you want a program similar to Devolution, without the anti-piracy, then program it yourself.
    1 people like this.
    • Member

    RupeeClock Colors 3D Snivy!

    Member Since:
    May 15, 2008
    Message Count:
    6,113
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Pretty much how I feel about this.
    I respect the software author's decisions and all, but people are just going to turn elsewhere as a result.
    • Member

    air2004 Air

    Member Since:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Message Count:
    1,366
    Location:
    Anytown
    Country:
    United States
    Because of dios-mios , I'm not really sure what the point of tueidj's program . Now if it came with classic controller support already , then maybe I could understand.

    The whole point of me posting this , is for all those that would like to rant about the AP , as for me , I think the gamecube is garbage and I already use dios mios , even though I dont really play with the wii any more .
    I believe I have posted somewhere around here about how piracy can be a good thing. ( I know you don't think it can be )
    • Member

    emigre In a constant struggle against my inner weeaboo

    Member Since:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Message Count:
    7,331
    Location:
    London
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Devolution supports classic controller compatability (IRC). BUt more importantly it does audio streaming which means HI IKARUGA SOUND EFFECTS!
    1 people like this.
    • Newcomer

    Bryzian New Member

    Member Since:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Message Count:
    7
    Country:
    United States
    The source for the loader was also released, was it not? Just take out the anti-piracy and call it a day. It shouldn't be that difficult to do.
    • Member

    daxtsu /dev/null

    Member Since:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Message Count:
    1,046
    Country:
    United States
    It doesn't support CC just yet. It's planned for a future release.
    • Member

    pepxl GFX W!Z4RD

    Member Since:
    Jun 19, 2009
    Message Count:
    3,263
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Why NOT add anti-piracy measures into Devolution ?
    • Member

    nando New Member

    Member Since:
    Jan 1, 2008
    Message Count:
    2,003
    Country:
    United States
    so how does this work? do you have to have the actual disc in the wii? or you can only install from original disc?
    • Supervisor

    raulpica With your drill, thrust to the sky!

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2007
    Message Count:
    9,025
    Location:
    _____________ PowerLevel: 9001
    Country:
    Italy
    Keep this civil, guys. It's perfectly fine to discuss on Devolution's AP (even if it's a pretty useless argument anyway, as tueidj won't change his mind because of this), as long as everyone remains polite.
    • Member

    Peps New Member

    Member Since:
    Jun 28, 2009
    Message Count:
    240
    Country:
    Ireland
    The only source code that was released was sample code on how to execute the loader.bin file. All that source code does is set up some configurations and loads loader.bin into memory and executes it as a function. Loader.bin contains the shellcode for the important parts, and for the majority of people here, that's pretty much unreadable.
    • Member

    RupeeClock Colors 3D Snivy!

    Member Since:
    May 15, 2008
    Message Count:
    6,113
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    People have already stated reasons, in fact it was the first two posts.

    It acts to make the software less serviceable, measures like these are usually very hindering.
    c4p0 and Midna like this.

Share This Page