His argument was basically that anyone who pirates does so because they are selfish and expect to be able to play the games they want now and not later when they have money. No one will understand his logic.Maedhros said:It they were moneyless, they would not even had money to have the console. I don't understand this logic at all.
Sony has money, they just LIE MORE.Giga_Gaia said:I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong. Also, even installing a custom firmware isn't wrong as modifying software is legal in Canada. The only actual reason they'd give personal informations is if someone had Child pornography. No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.
In other words, Sony can't do anything here.
You took moneyless too literally. Moneyless as in relatively poor. I do not know where you got that argument from. Pirates can get games and neverantwill said:His argument was basically that anyone who pirates does so because they are selfish and expect to be able to play the games they want now and not later when they have money. No one will understand his logic.Maedhros said:It they were moneyless, they would not even had money to have the console. I don't understand this logic at all.
Court says that's false.Maedhros said:I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.They're requesting info anyways, and last I checked a subpoena accepted by the court is something that has to be followed, it's not a suggestion.
They're not going to sue everybody of course, but they will use it to gather information for further steps. Somebody who commented "whatever, fake, I don't even own a PS3" is not going to be given a second thought, whereas somebody who comments "this is freak I can pirate 500 games also here's another link to a download"is going to get Sony's attention.
Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gainedGiga_Gaia said:I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong.If the info is subpoena'd then it has to be given (assuming it was recorded). Also, you go to court for (disputing) the accusation of breaking a law, and there it's determined whether the law was broken or not. If information on other people is required as part of a case, then it can be subpoena'd even if those people did nothing wrong because a party feels it's needed to help make the case.
Refer back to where I pointed out that you stopped one page short of the actual requests... Sony is requesting info on people who viewed it and the IP addresses of people who commented.Giga_Gaia said:No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.You'd like to think so, but considering that depending on the way you pirate it can be made from a civil infringement into a felony, they can grab any info that's actually pertinent to the case.
QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:25 AM) Again, this is just people making a storm in a teacup... all because they don't try even to look for real information at all. =/
QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:29 AM)
See this:Rydian said:Court says that's false.Maedhros said:I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.They're requesting info anyways, and last I checked a subpoena accepted by the court is something that has to be followed, it's not a suggestion.
They're not going to sue everybody of course, but they will use it to gather information for further steps. Somebody who commented "whatever, fake, I don't even own a PS3" is not going to be given a second thought, whereas somebody who comments "this is freak I can pirate 500 games also here's another link to a download"is going to get Sony's attention.
Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gainedGiga_Gaia said:I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong.If the info is subpoena'd then it has to be given (assuming it was recorded). Also, you go to court for (disputing) the accusation of breaking a law, and there it's determined whether the law was broken or not. If information on other people is required as part of a case, then it can be subpoena'd even if those people did nothing wrong because a party feels it's needed to help make the case.
Refer back to where I pointed out that you stopped one page short of the actual requests... Sony is requesting info on people who viewed it and the IP addresses of people who commented.Giga_Gaia said:No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.You'd like to think so, but considering that depending on the way you pirate it can be made from a civil infringement into a felony, they can grab any info that's actually pertinent to the case.
QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:25 AM) Again, this is just people making a storm in a teacup... all because they don't try even to look for real information at all. =/
QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:29 AM)
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...-lost-sales.ars
Maedhros said:See this:I'd rather read the actual subpoena.
http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/go...965.docket.html
62-11: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscour...35965.62.11.pdf
QUOTE5. Documents reproducing all records of usernames and IP addresses that
have posted or published "comments" in response to the video identified in Request No.
1 above.
Yeah, saw that now.Rydian said:Maedhros said:See this:I'd rather read the actual subpoena.
http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/go...965.docket.html
62-11: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscour...35965.62.11.pdf
QUOTE5. Documents reproducing all records of usernames and IP addresses that
have posted or published "comments" in response to the video identified in Request No.
1 above.
Maedhros said:Yeah, saw that now.Rydian said:Maedhros said:See this:I'd rather read the actual subpoena.
http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/go...965.docket.html
62-11: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscour...35965.62.11.pdf
QUOTE5. Documents reproducing all records of usernames and IP addresses that
have posted or published "comments" in response to the video identified in Request No.
1 above.
Still, this will get them nowhere, maybe they'll scare some people who didn't still CFW their consoles and that's about it. It Apple all over again.
But maybe Geohot will get fucked on this... =/
is "some time ago" really correct?QUOTE said:Sometime ago, the DNS trick has been patched, giving you the "Must update" screen.
Sure they could do that, but all they want is more info on how to establish the team failoverflow's identities so they can have them goto court, as they don't know their identities only their aliases and you can't sue someone and use aliases alone.shakirmoledina said:tht clears a lot of things... so basically they want more proof thru the comments
could u (rayde... sorry rydian) append the portal topic to include more info on what they are trying to establish with relation to the regular user? thanks
couldnt sony subpoena gbatemp to get info on what ppl have said about this like "what firmware can i use to play my ps3 downloaded games" on ask.gbatemp? tht would be interesting as gbatemp also includes info about the whereabouts (well country/state at least) of the members