Sony patches DNS Bypass, Sony demands Youtube/Twitter to give

[Maedhros]

It they were moneyless, they would not even had money to have the console. I don't understand this logic at all.

 

[antwill]

It they were moneyless, they would not even had money to have the console. I don't understand this logic at all.

His argument was basically that anyone who pirates does so because they are selfish and expect to be able to play the games they want now and not later when they have money. No one will understand his logic.

 

[KingAsix]

OMG...Sony is taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. It's not that serious guys...Chill the fizzle out. They are gonna lose a lot of valuable customers by continuing doing what they doing. They are doing this to prevent money loss, but they are gonna lose a lot of money in the long run is my guess

 

[Omega_2]

I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong. Also, even installing a custom firmware isn't wrong as modifying software is legal in Canada. The only actual reason they'd give personal informations is if someone had Child pornography. No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.

In other words, Sony can't do anything here.

Sony has money, they just LIE MORE.


And I see someone mentioning a reseller. And that technically IS flawless logic;
Sony production facility -> distribution center -> reseller store
Sony makes, and sends the products that the reseller BUYS.
Reseller fails to sell out of crappy product, Sony does NOT lose money, the reseller DOES. All because they're not allowed to send the unsold items back for a refund(if they were, THEN it's a loss for sony); the items either remain on shelves or just go into the bargain bin after being in a dark room for 4 months

 

[KingVamp]

It they were moneyless, they would not even had money to have the console. I don't understand this logic at all.

His argument was basically that anyone who pirates does so because they are selfish and expect to be able to play the games they want now and not later when they have money. No one will understand his logic.

You took moneyless too literally. Moneyless as in relatively poor. I do not know where you got that argument from. Pirates can get games and never
pay for games, that selfish.

 

[Rydian]

I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.They're requesting info anyways, and last I checked a subpoena accepted by the court is something that has to be followed, it's not a suggestion.

They're not going to sue everybody of course, but they will use it to gather information for further steps. Somebody who commented "whatever, fake, I don't even own a PS3" is not going to be given a second thought, whereas somebody who comments "this is freak I can pirate 500 games also here's another link to a download"is going to get Sony's attention.

I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong.If the info is subpoena'd then it has to be given (assuming it was recorded). Also, you go to court for (disputing) the accusation of breaking a law, and there it's determined whether the law was broken or not. If information on other people is required as part of a case, then it can be subpoena'd even if those people did nothing wrong because a party feels it's needed to help make the case.

No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.You'd like to think so, but considering that depending on the way you pirate it can be made from a civil infringement into a felony, they can grab any info that's actually pertinent to the case.

QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:25 AM) Again, this is just people making a storm in a teacup... all because they don't try even to look for real information at all. =/

Refer back to where I pointed out that you stopped one page short of the actual requests... Sony is requesting info on people who viewed it and the IP addresses of people who commented.

QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:29 AM)

Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gained

Court says that's false.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...-lost-sales.ars

 

[Maedhros]

I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.They're requesting info anyways, and last I checked a subpoena accepted by the court is something that has to be followed, it's not a suggestion.

They're not going to sue everybody of course, but they will use it to gather information for further steps. Somebody who commented "whatever, fake, I don't even own a PS3" is not going to be given a second thought, whereas somebody who comments "this is freak I can pirate 500 games also here's another link to a download"is going to get Sony's attention.

I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong.If the info is subpoena'd then it has to be given (assuming it was recorded). Also, you go to court for (disputing) the accusation of breaking a law, and there it's determined whether the law was broken or not. If information on other people is required as part of a case, then it can be subpoena'd even if those people did nothing wrong because a party feels it's needed to help make the case.

No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.You'd like to think so, but considering that depending on the way you pirate it can be made from a civil infringement into a felony, they can grab any info that's actually pertinent to the case.

QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:25 AM) Again, this is just people making a storm in a teacup... all because they don't try even to look for real information at all. =/

Refer back to where I pointed out that you stopped one page short of the actual requests... Sony is requesting info on people who viewed it and the IP addresses of people who commented.

QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 9 2011, 01:29 AM)

Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gained

Court says that's false.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...-lost-sales.ars

See this:
Promptly determine the identities of third parties hosting and distributing the circumvention devices so that SCEA can serve them with DMCA “take down” notices and, if necessary, seek appropriate relief from this Court.

and now this:

Jurisdictional discovery sought from third parties on an expedited basis includes, for example:
• Information from the content server host on the accessing and
downloading of circumvention devices from Hotz’s website.
• Information from Google concerning Hotz’s discussion of his circumvention
activities with others on his interactive blog.
• Information from PayPal on Hotz’s PayPal account regarding financial
benefits obtained by Hotz as a result of his illegal activity.
• Information from Twitter concerning Hotz’s communications with others via
Twitter regarding his efforts to bypass the TPMs in the PS3 System.
• Information from YouTube concerning the viewing of Hotz’s video entitled
“Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew.”


The thirdy parties they're talking about are the ones who hosted or distribuited, in my oppinion.

Even if I'm wrong, most of these viewers are from other countries, they can't do shit against them. Not only them, they can't do shit about anyone who just watched this. So there's no reason to be concerned about this.

In other news, the key was posted on Kevin Butler twitter, as answer for someone, lol.

EDIT: about the last post, the logic on that is the same one as someone used here on this topic, and I don't agree at all. Even if the people who downloaded the pirated game/whatever wouldn't necesserelly bought the original, why they downloaded it anyway? If they are using the thing disponible for free (where they would only get access for it if they actually purchased it), the one who owns it would be losing money (technically).

In other words, they don't have any right to have access to it in the first place.

 

[Rydian]

See this:I'd rather read the actual subpoena.

http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/go...965.docket.html
62-11: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscour...35965.62.11.pdf
QUOTE5. Documents reproducing all records of usernames and IP addresses that
have posted or published "comments" in response to the video identified in Request No.
1 above.

 

[Smartpal]

Sony just doesn't know when to stop. Aaargh, so pissing off.

 

[Maedhros]

See this:I'd rather read the actual subpoena.

http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/go...965.docket.html
62-11: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscour...35965.62.11.pdf
QUOTE5. Documents reproducing all records of usernames and IP addresses that
have posted or published "comments" in response to the video identified in Request No.
1 above.

Yeah, saw that now.
Still, this will get them nowhere, maybe they'll scare some people who didn't still CFW their consoles and that's about it. It Apple all over again.

But maybe Geohot will get fucked on this... =/

 

[nl255]

See this:I'd rather read the actual subpoena.

http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/go...965.docket.html
62-11: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscour...35965.62.11.pdf
QUOTE5. Documents reproducing all records of usernames and IP addresses that
have posted or published "comments" in response to the video identified in Request No.
1 above.

Yeah, saw that now.
Still, this will get them nowhere, maybe they'll scare some people who didn't still CFW their consoles and that's about it. It Apple all over again.

But maybe Geohot will get fucked on this... =/

Sony could send a letter to everyone who watched the video demanding say, $10,000 to avoid being sued. In other words, start a RIAA style settlement scheme for anyone who watched the video because they are suspected of jailbreaking and piracy.

 

[Rydian]

Like I said earlier I'm pretty sure they just want the comments so they can try to find more evidence.

 

[Maedhros]

That and because sending letters asking would be ridiculous even for them now.

On Gaf someone said:

They are only asking for the usernames and/or accounts of those that viewed the private youtube video.

The IP addresses they are requesting are those tied to Geohot's account and those that published/posted comments in response to the private youtube video.

If the video they are asking was private, then it makes sense...

 

[akari212]

well.. youtube and twitter is not retarded enough to give such sensitive information. If they will, well they going to violate laws in different countries.

Even if their TOS says so, the Laws in different countries is always applied.

 

[SamAsh07]

Hahahahaha

what's next Sony?? Pay Obama to launch missiles at everyone who watched the videos?? With Sony anything is possible!!
P.S. The type of morons you are (Sony), I wish your PSP2 gets hacked Day 1.

 

[emigre]

I can understand taking videos down but requesting the IPs of any one who watched it is really hitting 1984 territory. Saying that it's nt like they have a leg to stand on there, FFS civil liberities people.

 

[pozda]

This cr4p really don't affects me at all, as i don't have any SONY products, no console, no tv... well whadda you know whadda you say... i have old SONY walkman, you know, for cassettes (if anyone still remembers them)...

maybe SONY will sue me for listening recorded ones!


FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!! SONY!


If You're pis5ed on SONY, just buy consoles from Nintendo or MS! I don't have their stuff (except old walkman, LOL), and this whole farce is still pis5ing me off!

first this, than that, than this privacy concerning IP requests, whats next? George Orwels 1984? XD

 

[shakirmoledina]

tht clears a lot of things... so basically they want more proof thru the comments
could u (rayde... sorry rydian) append the portal topic to include more info on what they are trying to establish with relation to the regular user? thanks
couldnt sony subpoena gbatemp to get info on what ppl have said about this like "what firmware can i use to play my ps3 downloaded games" on ask.gbatemp? tht would be interesting as gbatemp also includes info about the whereabouts (well country/state at least) of the members

 

[thedicemaster]

Sometime ago, the DNS trick has been patched, giving you the "Must update" screen.

is "some time ago" really correct?
that would make it seem like a few days ago, while what i believe is the DNS trick still worked fine for me yesterday.
no update messages or anything when i went on PSN to download some DLC.

 

[antwill]

tht clears a lot of things... so basically they want more proof thru the comments
could u (rayde... sorry rydian) append the portal topic to include more info on what they are trying to establish with relation to the regular user? thanks
couldnt sony subpoena gbatemp to get info on what ppl have said about this like "what firmware can i use to play my ps3 downloaded games" on ask.gbatemp? tht would be interesting as gbatemp also includes info about the whereabouts (well country/state at least) of the members

Sure they could do that, but all they want is more info on how to establish the team failoverflow's identities so they can have them goto court, as they don't know their identities only their aliases and you can't sue someone and use aliases alone.