Sony patches DNS Bypass, Sony demands Youtube/Twitter to give

[jceggbert5]

Let the courts decide if Sony are in the right. If not, egg on their face.

OK, I'll get in their face

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This is down right stupid.

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[Rydian]

Maedhros, what you quoted was not the actual document request (just an outline that the request was being made), the page after that lists the actual info being requested.

They list 9 document requests, #4 asks for identifying information on the people who have access to the video (which it seems was unlisted) and #5 specifically asks for the IP addresses of people who posted comments. It could easily be taken at a read that number #4 would include #5 (as a clarification of #4), since an IP address is an identifier on the internet and you'd have to have viewed the video to post it. It's the way I read it as well.

 

[TheLostSabre]

Sony really loves wasting their time and money huh?

And this is off-topic but what does the rootkit do to your PS3? I know what it does to a computer but does it negatively affects the PS3 in anyway? Does this rootkit transfer to your own PC via usbstick? Kinda worried about this security breach Sony intentional place in that FW update...

 

[MelodieOctavia]

Sony really loves wasting their time and money huh?

And this is off-topic but what does the rootkit do to your PS3? I know what it does to a computer but does it negatively affects the PS3 in anyway? Does this rootkit transfer to your own PC via usbstick? Kinda worried about this security breach Sony intentional place in that FW update...

There is no rootkit for the PS3, its just scaremongering bullshit.

 

[TheLostSabre]

Sony really loves wasting their time and money huh?

And this is off-topic but what does the rootkit do to your PS3? I know what it does to a computer but does it negatively affects the PS3 in anyway? Does this rootkit transfer to your own PC via usbstick? Kinda worried about this security breach Sony intentional place in that FW update...

There is no rootkit for the PS3, its just scaremongering bullshit.

Well that clears things up.

Anyway I'm not liking the direction Sony is taking right now. By the rate they're going at they'll eventually sue everyone on the planet!

 

[Maedhros]

Maedhros, what you quoted was not the actual document request (just an outline that the request was being made), the page after that lists the actual info being requested.

They list 9 document requests, #4 asks for identifying information on the people who have access to the video (which it seems was unlisted) and #5 specifically asks for the IP addresses of people who posted comments. It could easily be taken at a read that number #4 would include #5 (as a clarification of #4), since an IP address is an identifier on the internet and you'd have to have viewed the video to post it. It's the way I read it as well.
I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.
This is only what I think: If they did that (I doubt their lawyers are that stupid), a lot of people could only sue them back, because Youtube don't have the right to give information for anyone because they made a comment on a video. (Dunno about this, it's only my interpretation, like I've said, I'm no lawyer).

EDIT: Let me paste the part we're talking about here:

QUOTEJurisdictional discovery sought from third parties on an expedited basis includes, for example:
• Information from the content server host on the accessing and
downloading of circumvention devices from Hotz’s website.
• Information from Google concerning Hotz’s discussion of his circumvention
activities with others on his interactive blog.
• Information from PayPal on Hotz’s PayPal account regarding financial
benefits obtained by Hotz as a result of his illegal activity.
• Information from Twitter concerning Hotz’s communications with others via
Twitter regarding his efforts to bypass the TPMs in the PS3 System.
• Information from YouTube concerning the viewing of Hotz’s video entitled
“Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew.”

Enphasys on the bold.

 

[Necron]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

 

[wchill]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

Exactly.
Piracy and lost sales do not have a 1:1 correlation. Though sales might go down, some pirates will actually end up buying the games.
They just need to know how to take advantage of that fact.

 

[Maedhros]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

Wow, are you a genious?? Man, with that logic, you could have the world on the palms of your hands.

 

[antwill]

I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.

I doubt they're going after people who watched the video Gamespot put a different spin on it, that they are trying to find the identities of the failoverflow team, not anyone who watches a video. Also they have a subpoena so Google does have to hand the information Sony is asking for over.

 

[wchill]

I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.

I doubt they're going after people who watched the video Gamespot put a different spin on it, that they are trying to find the identities of the failoverflow team, not anyone who watches a video. Also they have a subpoena so Google does have to hand the information Sony is asking for over.

This, my friends, shows how money can do things. *facepalm* they should just throw in the towel and try again with the PS4...
(The subpoena, that is.)

 

[Giga_Gaia]

I haven't seen that video, but even if I did, Sony wouldn't be able to do anything with my IP. They can't get your address and personal informations from your ip, the only way they can trace you with your IP is by asking the information to your ISP. However, ISPs here don't give informations about anyone here unless someone did something wrong, but as they can see, viewing a video is not wrong. Also, even installing a custom firmware isn't wrong as modifying software is legal in Canada. The only actual reason they'd give personal informations is if someone had Child pornography. No matter how much a person pirate stuff, it's not enough for them to surrender personal infos.

In other words, Sony can't do anything here.

 

[ars25]

I dunno, I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anywhere sony will sue everyone who watched the video on the document. And Youtube don't have to give information of everyone anyway, if they gain the autorization they can only involve those who uploaded or hosted the video.

I doubt they're going after people who watched the video Gamespot put a different spin on it, that they are trying to find the identities of the failoverflow team, not anyone who watches a video. Also they have a subpoena so Google does have to hand the information Sony is asking for over.

This, my friends, shows how money can do things. *facepalm* they should just throw in the towel and try again with the PS4...
(The subpoena, that is.)

lol ps4 launch day ps4 gets hacked in less than a day sony starts to law suit

 

[Necron]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

Wow, are you a genious?? Man, with that logic, you could have the world on the palms of your hands.

Just saying. This is what I have always done (except from buying a PS3, I do not own one)


Oh, and Sony is asking all this because they lost some money (my point above) or because someone found the keys? That doesn't mean that everyone that knows how to do it is going to (in this case, most of them are doing it)

 

[zeromac]

For all you guys screaming "Boycott Sony! Never buy another product of theirs again!"

I bet you will all be buying a Sony product in the future you tough bastards.

I for one am going to still buy the Xperia Play

 

[Maedhros]

That's right, they can do something about the members of fail0verflow and Geohot (even then, I suppose this will be difficult for them).

Again, this is just people making a storm in a teacup... all because they don't try even to look for real information at all. =/

 

[Nollog]

Worst Company Ever.

 

[Maedhros]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

Wow, are you a genious?? Man, with that logic, you could have the world on the palms of your hands.

Just saying. This is what I have always done (except from buying a PS3, I do not own one)


Oh, and Sony is asking all this because they lost some money (my point above) or because someone found the keys? That doesn't mean that everyone that knows how to do it is going to (in this case, most of them are doing it)

Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gained, EXCEPT when you're buying used games, they already have gained their money on these.

Sorry, but there's no excuse to try make piracy a right thing, it'll NEVER be legal. You guys have to accept this and know of the consequences of doing it (going agains the law).

 

[KingVamp]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

Wow, are you a genious?? Man, with that logic, you could have the world on the palms of your hands.

Just saying. This is what I have always done (except from buying a PS3, I do not own one)


Oh, and Sony is asking all this because they lost some money (my point above) or because someone found the keys? That doesn't mean that everyone that knows how to do it is going to (in this case, most of them are doing it)

Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gained, EXCEPT when you're buying used games, they already have gained their money on these.

Sorry, but there's no excuse to try make piracy a right thing, it'll NEVER be legal. You guys have to accept this and know of the consequences of doing it (going agains the law).

What he trying to say, how can he pay the software with no money? When he does privacy,coping a game, he still doesn't have the money.

Other words how is Sony losing money from the moneyless?

He even say he pay when he get the money, therefor Sony gain money.

 

[wchill]

Actually, if I buy a Ps3 from a reseller (not sony) and I jailbreak it, Sony doesn't lose money. Then, if I download a game because I have no money, Sony, again, does not lose any money, because I wouldn't have bought it either (when I have money, I always try to buy a game).

Wow, are you a genious?? Man, with that logic, you could have the world on the palms of your hands.

Just saying. This is what I have always done (except from buying a PS3, I do not own one)


Oh, and Sony is asking all this because they lost some money (my point above) or because someone found the keys? That doesn't mean that everyone that knows how to do it is going to (in this case, most of them are doing it)

Not buying the software is ALWAYS making them losing money they would have gained, EXCEPT when you're buying used games, they already have gained their money on these.

Sorry, but there's no excuse to try make piracy a right thing, it'll NEVER be legal. You guys have to accept this and know of the consequences of doing it (going agains the law).

What he trying to say, how can he pay the software with no money? When he does privacy,coping a game, he still doesn't have the money.

Other words how is Sony losing money from the moneyless?

He even say he pay when he get the money, therefor Sony gain money.

This.
If people don't have the money to try games, how do you expect them to get the games when they do have enough money? They'll probably end up using it for other things...