[RUMOR] Several Wii U dev kits returned to Nintendo

[chavosaur]

Can I take a look at your sarcasm detector? I think it's broken.

No sh*t Sherlock. Just because people bought it doesn't mean they still use it.

People could say the exact same thing about every console they bought, what the HELL kind of logic is that?
This forum cares so much about its Nintendo sales, but when it comes to other peripherals and consoles sales, "OH WELL DAT DON'T MEAN DEY STILL USE IT" ,"OH LOOK HOW LOW DAT IS COMPARED TO NINTY HUEHUEHUE"

 

[the_randomizer]

People could say the exact same thing about every console they bought, what the HELL kind of logic is that?
This forum cares so much about its Nintendo sales, but when it comes to other peripherals and consoles sales, "OH WELL DAT DON'T MEAN DEY STILL USE IT" ,"OH LOOK HOW LOW DAT IS COMPARED TO NINTY HUEHUEHUE"

*Edit: Removed*

 

[chavosaur]

Wow, someone had a bad day. You need to grab a Snickers bar, it makes the world a better place.

And instead of accepting the bad argument , we go back to the classic "WELP, HE'S MAD BETTER TELL HIM HE'S MAD SO HE WON'T CALL ME OUT ON MY BS ANYMORE"
There's a huge difference between Being "MAD BRO" and just calling people out on stuff that they say, and watching them defend themselves with classic Memes and Accusations.

 

[the_randomizer]

And instead of accepting the bad argument , we go back to the classic "WELP, HE'S MAD BETTER TELL HIM HE'S MAD SO HE WON'T CALL ME OUT ON MY BS ANYMORE"
There's a huge difference between Being "MAD BRO" and just calling people out on stuff that they say, and watching them defend themselves with classic Memes and Accusations.

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[Gahars]

Wow, and I can just feel the abundance of love emanating from this thread! It's so profound that I'm just going to do something productive like *gasp* going outside. I just LOVE logical fallacies.


Arugmentum ad hominem

Dude, you really don't know what you're talking about it here, and it's obvious.

It's time to stop posting.

 

[emigre]

I love how irrationally aggressive the_randomizer and DSgamer64 get when it comes to these threads. The amount of seeth is quite amazing.

 

[rizzod]

Do us a favor, stop posting in this thread with your blind fanboyism and just walk away slowly... or do I have to pull this one out of the bin again?

 

[jacksprat1990]

Nothing up with it. It shows he's passionate about what he believes in. You all stick together and bash Ninty as much as you want anyway, the WiiU is going to be fine. I'll see you in a few years time. Ba ba for now.

 

[RchUncleSkeleton]

I get the feeling that these Devs are confused as how to use the hardware and are therefore claiming it's underpowered. Yeah the processor may not be 3.2ghz 8 core monster but it doesn't have to be, it's a gaming console which needs to have games made for it, not made for other beasts and then ported. I kinda get the feeling this is the same thing that happened to the Saturn as no one knew how to program for it.

 

[DSGamer64]

People could say the exact same thing about every console they bought, what the HELL kind of logic is that?
This forum cares so much about its Nintendo sales, but when it comes to other peripherals and consoles sales, "OH WELL DAT DON'T MEAN DEY STILL USE IT" ,"OH LOOK HOW LOW DAT IS COMPARED TO NINTY HUEHUEHUE"

I think the point is that the Kinect, unlike the Wii motion controller, or even Playstation Move, while having a rather strong sales yield, it hasn't been truly successful as a controller peripheral. Why? Because it's an optional buy, sure it may have sold well, but look at how many Wii controllers Nintendo sold, both with the system and individually, and was still adopted by the developers because they had no choice. And really, that is what it boils down to, since the Kinect is optional, most games don't use it.

I get the feeling that these Devs are confused as how to use the hardware and are therefore claiming it's underpowered. Yeah the processor may not be 3.2ghz 8 core monster but it doesn't have to be, it's a gaming console which needs to have games made for it, not made for other beasts and then ported. I kinda get the feeling this is the same thing that happened to the Saturn as no one knew how to program for it.

AMD has already proven that more cores =/= better performance. Hell, you could have a 4.5 Ghz clocked dual core that would outperform a 3.2 Ghz quad core in gaming, because games are still generally single threaded applications. IF the rumored specs are true, the Wii U's processor is more then enough, if you program the game to support multithreading. Even PC games are only using dual core, quad core is almost a wasted technology right now unless you are doing video editing and other advanced computing.

 

[the_randomizer]

[RUMOR] PS4 to feature head-tracking and tools to measure the alcohol in users' blood! Local authorities to use as a means of dealing with DUIs!

 

[chavosaur]

I think the point is that the Kinect, unlike the Wii motion controller, or even Playstation Move, while having a rather strong sales yield, it hasn't been truly successful as a controller peripheral. Why? Because it's an optional buy, sure it may have sold well, but look at how many Wii controllers Nintendo sold, both with the system and individually, and was still adopted by the developers because they had no choice. And really, that is what it boils down to, since the Kinect is optional, most games don't use it.

But that doesn't really make a good analogy, since you literally had to have a wii remote to play your wii. You don't need a kinect to play an Xbox, but it still sold like hotcakes.
The wii remote was required to even function the wii, The kinect was solely an entertainment peripheral~ And it really does get used a lot more then people may think. Many dance studios and gyms actually use kinects for just dance or Zumba fitness. It's a fun party peripheral.

 

[emigre]

Nothing up with it. It shows he's passionate about what he believes in. You all stick together and bash Ninty as much as you want anyway, the WiiU is going to be fine. I'll see you in a few years time. Ba ba for now.

Passionate? Passion isn't becoming aggressive and hurling personal insults at other people. He admitted it himself that he's far from a good person to debate with after his breakdown when the US presidential elections were announced. He has an issue when people hold a contrary opinion to him. Unlike others he crosses a line into insulting or throwing around shit memes because he's unable to debate in a civil manner (or at least angry civil manner in the case of Guild McVitaist). I don't mean for this to be personal attack but he does it constantly and to label it as passion is wrong. If anything its more blind loyalty than anything.

 

[grossaffe]

I get the feeling that these Devs are confused as how to use the hardware and are therefore claiming it's underpowered. Yeah the processor may not be 3.2ghz 8 core monster but it doesn't have to be, it's a gaming console which needs to have games made for it, not made for other beasts and then ported. I kinda get the feeling this is the same thing that happened to the Saturn as no one knew how to program for it.

I would not be surprised at all if that were the case. Developers need to learn to harness the power of GPGPU. Gone are the days of loading up all your processing needs on the CPU.

 

[codezer0]

I get the feeling that these Devs are confused as how to use the hardware and are therefore claiming it's underpowered. Yeah the processor may not be 3.2ghz 8 core monster but it doesn't have to be, it's a gaming console which needs to have games made for it, not made for other beasts and then ported. I kinda get the feeling this is the same thing that happened to the Saturn as no one knew how to program for it.

More like it is at least powerful enough to handle the expected level of detail from this generation's class of high-end console gaming. But that's just it... is it enough to hold up when compared to its competitors for the next gen console gaming? That's the question that comes up.

The Wii was barely more powerful than the original Xbox 1 compared to the prior gen, but because it had such mass market appeal, there was enough incentive for devs to pick up a Wii kit and at least try to adapt their games to work on the platform. But as we have seen with marquee titles, most simply stopped bothering to make it for Nintendo when it was clear that it would have to be stripped or underpowered to do so, and look like ass. If anything, I'm surprised that I find myself even able to tolerate playing MW3 on the Wii, but t hat's more because the Wii has a one-button solution to mute everyone, so I don't have to hear all the stupid brats and children that have no business playing a Mature-rated game online.

 

[FAST6191]

I get the feeling that these Devs are confused as how to use the hardware and are therefore claiming it's underpowered. Yeah the processor may not be 3.2ghz 8 core monster but it doesn't have to be, it's a gaming console which needs to have games made for it, not made for other beasts and then ported. I kinda get the feeling this is the same thing that happened to the Saturn as no one knew how to program for it.

I am not sure a Saturn analogy is all that suitable -- the Saturn was still ASM and really know the hardware country where here I reckon you should be able to kick an awful lot to standard libs or basic maths afforded by high level programming languages.

 

[RchUncleSkeleton]

I am not sure a Saturn analogy is all that suitable -- the Saturn was still ASM and really know the hardware country where here I reckon you should be able to kick an awful lot to standard libs or basic maths afforded by high level programming languages.

The Saturn analogy was meant in general...The Saturn had two processors, which most devs didn't know what to do with. The Wii U pushes most processes to the GPGPU instead of the CPU which I'm guessing most devs don't know what to do with.

 

[jacksprat1990]

Passionate? Passion isn't becoming aggressive and hurling personal insults at other people. He admitted it himself that he's far from a good person to debate with after his breakdown when the US presidential elections were announced. He has an issue when people hold a contrary opinion to him. Unlike others he crosses a line into insulting or throwing around shit memes because he's unable to debate in a civil manner (or at least angry civil manner in the case of Guild McVitaist). I don't mean for this to be personal attack but he does it constantly and to label it as passion is wrong. If anything its more blind loyalty than anything.

Holding something in such high regard as to defend it when someone else holds an opposite opinion. I'm not saying he/she right or wrong but it is most definitely a sign of passion.

 

[DSGamer64]

The Saturn analogy was meant in general...The Saturn had two processors, which most devs didn't know what to do with. The Wii U pushes most processes to the GPGPU instead of the CPU which I'm guessing most devs don't know what to do with.

That has to do with the fact that they have become comfortable designing their games for the 360 and PS3. See, for those consoles, their graphics cards stopped being capable of playing new games on their own without modified resolutions in order to stay acceptable at 1920x1080 on your TV, a few years ago and if you look at things like the Crysis 3 dev log, the 360 has hit it's maximum capability on both the CPU and GPU side. While the Wii U is running at a lower clock speed then the competition, the graphics card more then makes up for it's slower CPU speed. The thing is that developers have yet to shift their developing style away from the mindset that they absolutely HAVE to overload the CPU to run a game on the Wii U, despite the fact that it's already been proven that the Wii U has a graphics card capable of modern graphics features and has higher clock speeds and more memory to boot.

I love how irrationally aggressive the_randomizer and DSgamer64 get when it comes to these threads. The amount of seeth is quite amazing.

And I love how people like you come on here and act like Microsoft and Sony are actually capable of innovating in the gaming business and then bash people who want to have a discussion, just because of the way they choose to speak.

 

[emigre]

And I love how people like you come on here and act like Microsoft and Sony are actually capable of innovating in the gaming business and then bash people who want to have a discussion, just because of the way they choose to speak.

See what I mean?