Hacking Post your ideas regarding how to hack the 3DS, here

[MrMarco]

Come on guys, are you kidding? There's no way that will work.

Because the 3DS has no nipples to attach the electric shockers too.

Forgot about that...

Now what can we do? <- Eng Creep Sean (3DS' Security)

 

[SifJar]

Was it? I thought the DSi common key was already found, while the brute forcing was a failure.

Yeah, but the brute forcer came before the common key was released. Certain people (i.e. Team Twiizers) knew the key for a long time before it was made public, but it was during that time that people were foolishly trying to brute force the key. No one ever tried to do it for the private key AFAIK.

 

[cspanick]

I previously made a thread about my 3ds having problems and everyone proceeded to bring the flame hammer down. Well yesterday I was browsing some other news on stumbled upon just the phenomenon I was looking for. Right in this article it states finding crashes is the first step to hacking the psp, why would it be different for the 3ds? It basically describes how certain variables that are extremely random could cause a crash or almost crash which would open up a potential exploit. I mean the guy even found a glitch in the mp3 app that could be used as an exploit lol. I realize the hardware is different but wouldnt the same concept apply?

----------->>>http://wololo.net/2009/11/08/psp-exploits-finding-crashes-with-fuzzing/

It even has a name, "fuzzing".

Here is also a link to the original thread---->http://gbatemp.net/threads/3ds-hacking-itself.345553/

I knew something was up but everyone refused to listen or even mention this possibility. I know its a long shot but still seems plausible.

 

[Rydian]

Right in this article it states finding crashes is the first step to hacking the psp, why would it be different for the 3ds?

"My girlfriend has one of those vagina things, why doesn't this guy I met"?

The 3DS has NX (similar to DEP) and potentially a form of ASLR. The PSP does not.

Just going to report this thread (just for a close!) prevent flaming, because GBATemp users are assholes (as you saw) and we don't need people flaming you.

EDIT: Also you totally missed the "Post your hacking theories here" sticky too.

 

[FAST6191]

First step implies only step- crashes are often worth investigating but they are not the only way to set about hacking a system.

Fuzzing is an actual technical term and nothing to do with anything you see on the screen- the etymology of the term is one I am not sure of but chances are it stems from "fuzzy logic" which is a way of viewing programming problems. In hacking/security circles it deals with two things 1) when you make an exploit then chances are something similar can be done on something else like it (the old twilight hack worked via horse name- if you fuzzed it you might also try character name or something) or 2) the use of different variables in the same crash (if you get a hack when you stick f0 hex somewhere and you just patch for f0 you might also be able to get it done with f1 hex).

Short version- lock the thread/move along as there is nothing to see here.

 

[Rydian]

I always thought "fuzzing" came about because if the data you sent to the unit were to be put out in a visual or audio form, it'd be static or rapidly-changing and blurry ("fuzzy") numerals.

 

[cspanick]

Alright thanks for looking out for me lol. And yea I figured there was different architecture/security but like anything electronic it can be hacked and in more than one way. I guess I just like to dream big and am pretty open minded to just about anything so I dont dismiss things as easy as others might. After all its sometimes the smallest and seemingly insignificant things that affect our world/lifes in a big way.

On another note: Peeps need to chill out, its just video games people, they are meant for entertainment and relaxation. I come here to chat casually about topics that other people share interest in. Go have a cold one on me.

 

[medoli900]

No, because it won't do anything with it if it's not signed.
Like, you can stick some porn on your SD card and put it in the 3DS, but it's not going to do anything with it.

Without the conversion program you mean? (3D pr0n on 3ds [whistle])

 

[MrMarco]

Without the conversion program you mean? (3D pr0n on 3ds [whistle])

lol I think he just meant the 3DS won't do shit if it's not signed, so it won't watch any porn we put in the SD card, only Nintendo's porn.

 

[Metoroid0]

lol I think he just meant the 3DS won't do shit if it's not signed, so it won't watch any porn we put in the SD card, only Nintendo's porn.

hahahaha Samus and Captain Falcon, Zelda and Link and so on... xD
(um..don't mind this one, just skip it)

 

[MrMarco]

hahahaha Samus and Captain Falcon, Zelda and Link and so on... xD
(um..don't mind this one, just skip it)

 

[Pluupy]

hahahaha Samus and Captain Falcon, Zelda and Link and so on... xD
(um..don't mind this one, just skip it)

...go on.

 

[miju96]

do you remember the lego indiana jones exploit for the Wii?
'cause lego city undercover the chase begin is (in my opinion) a very laggy and buggy game.. maybe we can exploit it

 

[dehry]

Because the 3DS has no nipples to attach the electric shockers too.

 

[Metoroid0]

Spoiler

Spoiler

you said it xD

 

[h2so4gun]

Let codes run on the Internet browser.

 

[Gabelvampir]

Let codes run on the Internet browser.

I think trying to exploit/hack/crash/whatever a web browser is common enough these days that the people trying to hack the 3DS should have tried that already. If Nintendo did any sensible security design on the 3DS firmware at all, all one would be able to do is crashing the browser with no other effect then that, or run code in the browser which would not help much as it should not have any direct hardware access. And the hardware ressources the browser can use are probably pretty limited as it is one of the few things you can start without closing a suspended application.
It could of course be possible to gain more rights if the implementation of the browser AND the security system is flawed, but as I said, exploiting a browser is so common these days (probably the most used attack point at the moment to gain remote access) that many 3DS hackers should have tried that.

 

[Kippykip]

I crashed the ds in 2 ways
unplugging the ds game as SOON as you run it! (You have to do it at the exact time!)
playing an mp3 for ages (e.g. for 2 days straight)

 

[Gun Slinger Boy]

Maybe Put in a Game Card from your region and just before it loads up quickly stick in a game card from another region?

Probably a bad idea, the system can tell what game you've inserted. Although this worked with the PSX and PS2 (Last if iirc)

I think trying to exploit/hack/crash/whatever a web browser is common enough these days that the people trying to hack the 3DS should have tried that already. If Nintendo did any sensible security design on the 3DS firmware at all, all one would be able to do is crashing the browser with no other effect then that, or run code in the browser which would not help much as it should not have any direct hardware access. And the hardware ressources the browser can use are probably pretty limited as it is one of the few things you can start without closing a suspended application.
It could of course be possible to gain more rights if the implementation of the browser AND the security system is flawed, but as I said, exploiting a browser is so common these days (probably the most used attack point at the moment to gain remote access) that many 3DS hackers should have tried that.

Maybe we could try something about the battery, the system will shut down if the battery runs down too much right? Could we possibly exploit that?
Also, it might be possible to install code via DS flashcarts.

 

[Gabelvampir]

Probably a bad idea, the system can tell what game you've inserted. Although this worked with the PSX and PS2 (Last if iirc)



Maybe we could try something about the battery, the system will shut down if the battery runs down too much right? Could we possibly exploit that?
Also, it might be possible to install code via DS flashcarts.

I don't really see how we could exploit the system shutting down on low battery, it should be substantially different then every other form of shutdown. But the people hacking the 3DS should have that covered, hopefully.
Also I don't think installing code is possible, as there is no way to access anything persistent in the system in DS mode, other then the DS WiFi config.
I really wish I'd have some bright idea, but every time I think about it I only come up with ways I can think of many many thing why that should not work. But then again I have only superficial knowledge of these things, and no means of helping hacking atm (other then testing homebrew when it comes out).