[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[Lacius]

Because Clinton is so trustworthy too and can't possibly do any wrong, right:? Not to mention she's for the TPP, that's a deal-breaker IMO.

Except she's not for the TPP.

 

[the_randomizer]

Except she's not for the TPP.

Huh I thought she was, huh, good, I'm glad she opposes it then.

 

[x65943]

Except she's not for the TPP.

She was a vocal proponent of the TPP before Sanders convinced half the Democratic leaning electorate that it was not good for America.

She said that once she saw the final version she could no longer support it. What that means is that she liked the earlier drafts. You can fully expect her to support a similar agreement in the future without those "final details" that supposedly bothered her.

I think she only switched her opinion to appeal to Bernie supporters. I fully expect her to negotiate a similar trade deal in the future.

 

[RevPokemon]

Huh I thought she was, huh, good, I'm glad she opposes it then.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/polit...linton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

Ultimately I think it depends on how you take it but for what it is worth considering past history of these free trade deals that she did support it but likely changed on it for political reasons to appeal to progressives somewhat like how Romney was on abortion so to speak. Although we probably will never know how much the "final" deal and the previous versions were.


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[the_randomizer]

She was a vocal proponent of the TPP before Sanders convinced half the Democratic leaning electorate that it was not good for America.

She said that once she saw the final version she could no longer support it. What that means is that she liked the earlier drafts. You can fully expect her to support a similar agreement in the future without those "final details" that supposedly bothered her.

I think she only switched her opinion to appeal to Bernie supporters. I fully expect her to negotiate a similar trade deal in the future.

On second thought, screw it, the TPP is a bad idea for many people, I won't support any politician that supports such a horrible trade policy.

 

[Viri]

Yeah, she opposes it, for now!

If she gets into the White House, she'll be like "I opposed what?! Oh no, you just misunderstood me "

 

[RevPokemon]

Yeah, she opposes it, for now!

If she gets into the White House, she'll be like "I opposed what?! Oh no, you just misunderstood me "

Would she really use a tho?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Not to mention she's for the TPP, that's a deal-breaker IMO.

That's not necessarily true, she was for the Trans-Pacific Partnership before a bunch of revisions were made that made it what it is today. If I recall correctly she doesn't support it in its current state

 

[RevPokemon]

That's not necessarily true, she was for the Trans-Pacific Partnership before a bunch of revisions were made that made it what it is today. If I recall correctly she doesn't support it in its current state

But the real question like what they raised on Young Turks is how honest is she about it given what little we know? I highly recommend watching that video as it really explains it very well. But ultimately it would be foolish to say that her position did not change beceause of political reasons.

 

[gnmmarechal]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry that the US' politics make my country's seem serious and sane

Sent from my cave of despair where I collect souls

 

[Lacius]

But the real question like what they raised on Young Turks is how honest is she about it given what little we know? I highly recommend watching that video as it really explains it very well. But ultimately it would be foolish to say that her position did not change beceause of political reasons.

It is by definition foolish to make claims when you have no evidence.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

It is by definition foolish to make claims when you have no evidence.

Let's be honest, everything that Clinton does is politically oriented. I only, and I mean only like her because the demographic she panders to mirrors my beliefs

That said, she's a politician, so that is to be expected (as unfortunate as it is). The positive side of that is that she has to make good of her promises in some form or she won't get a second term

 

[osaka35]

Are you really using snopes as a source?
The onion and buzzfeed are more accurate than that left wing propaganda tool.

[citation needed]

That's not necessarily true, she was for the Trans-Pacific Partnership before a bunch of revisions were made that made it what it is today. If I recall correctly she doesn't support it in its current state

Yes, but what exactly about it did she dislike? Does she actually really like it, but pollsters told her that it would hurt her numbers to support it at the moment? I mean, it's not like trump is a choice, he's a buffoon, but we should try and keep hillary honest.

 

[Noctosphere]

what is a TPP?

 

[Lacius]

Let's be honest, everything that Clinton does is politically oriented. I only, and I mean only like her because the demographic she panders to mirrors my beliefs

That said, she's a politician, so that is to be expected (as unfortunate as it is). The positive side of that is that she has to make good of her promises in some form or she won't get a second term

She's going to make politically-oriented decisions, but that doesn't mean everything she does is politically-oriented, and that doesn't mean her opposition to the TPP is politically-oriented. I'm not saying her opposition to the TPP certainly isn't politically-oriented, but I can't tell one way or the other, and you're not privy to more information than I have. For now, her story on her opposition to the TPP checks out.

what is a TPP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

 

[RevPokemon]

It is by definition foolish to make claims when you have no evidence.

Regardless no matter what her positions are at least somewhat due to political support and in order to gain voters. That is the same with every politician as they all wisely take certain positions in order to help their political careers. Romney did it to get the GOP nom. Clinton did it too better appeal the the more progressive democrats. The list literally goes on forever of politicians who take positions for their political career.- Edit: I did not see your ninja post

Likewise the question is how much does this affect her decision? In the case of the TPP, the things that she cited as reasons that she was against the final version of the TPP were things that the earlier versions had as well such as the monetary affects and pharmaceutical patents. Regardless it is safe to say her change was politically motivated.

 

[Noctosphere]

why would american oppose to something giving a plus to their economy..?

 

[osaka35]

what is a TPP?

The trans-pacific partnership. Basically a bunch of countries getting together to agree on trade (but not china). Many see it as pro-business and anti-consumer in its structure and desired effects. Whenever you see "economy", they can either mean "economy" or "big businesses". They use both interchangeably. They are very different things, though people continue to conflate them.

 

[RevPokemon]

why would american oppose to something giving a plus to their economy..?

trade deals are complex and have good parts and bad parts but in the case of the TPP many people feel that their are too many unfavorable parts.

 

[Lacius]

Regardless it is safe to say her change was politically motivated.

The fact that you think it's safe to say that tells me you don't care to have a reality-based discussion. I'm not concerned with your feels. See my previous post.