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[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

Whom will/would you vote for?

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a likely homosexual man in internal conflict over his sexuality due to societal pressure and his islamic upbringing
From what I have read the idea that he was gay has been discredited. As for his TRUE reason we will probably never be surely certain but no matter what it does not mean that this was an awful event that better screening could have prevented.
 

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Omar Mateen is exactly the case I'm talking about - a likely homosexual man in internal conflict over his sexuality due to societal pressure and his islamic upbringing. He snapped and blamed all homosexuals for his own mental state, he was venting. Access to guns wasn't what caused him to shoot - he snapped because of internal struggle to conform, or at least that's the prevailing theory. He fashioned himself into a martyr because he desperately wanted attention, he was seeking acceptance.
I disagree. Guns are just tools, not the root cause. Gun mentality, perhaps, but not guns themselves. I can see some common ground though, so that's good enough for me.
We know objectively that the gun restrictions we've listed result in significantly fewer mass shooting deaths, root cause or not.
 

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From what I have read the idea that he was gay has been discredited. As for his TRUE reason we will probably never be surely certain but no matter what it does not mean that this was an awful event that better screening could have prevented.
Even if he wasn't closeted, he had a history of unstable, bipolar behaviour which is well-documented. He was especially violent against his ex-wife whom he's beaten numerous times and isolated from her family. He was also beaten by his father as a child, which may have contributed to his unstable mental state. Not only that, he spoke of wanting to kill people prior to the shooting, so it's not one of those "who would've thunk" cases - the man should've never been given a gun, he was unstable long before he pulled the trigger. We'll never know for sure what pushed him over the edge, but the pattern of unstable, violent behaviour was there and it was pretty clear.
We know objectively that the gun restrictions we've listed result in significantly fewer mass shooting deaths, root cause or not.
The cost is too great.
 

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That's a fair stance to take - I understand where you're coming from at least, I hope it's mutual.
The feeling's mutual. You take a hard-lined stance against taking away people's freedoms. I acknowledge that someone's freedoms are going to be hindered regardless of which choice we make, so I pick what I view as the lesser of two evils.
 

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Do I really have to make this decision? I'm not going to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, as neither of them even have a remote chance of winning. That leaves Trump and Hillary. The problem is, both of these candidates fucking suck! Their views align in many ways (not all ways, but quite a few), so I think we'll be in the same position next "voting season" with either candidate. The only reason I'd vote for Trump is because I'm a strong conservative and simply can't find it in myself to support a liberal candidate. So, if I vote, I'll be (reluctantly) voting for Trump.
You know, EVERYONE I've talked to says they'd vote for Jill if she had a chance of winning and it genuinely pisses me off because she does and the only reason she doesn't is because everyone is brainwashed into saying she doesn't... $Hillary and Drumpf are literal pigs of their own parties. I have gone full #DemExit and you should leave the 2 party system as well.

I #FeelTheBern and will only vote for Bernie Sanders.

If the super delegates are truly serious about wanting to stop Trump, then they will pledge their support to Bernie, because Hillary is continuously losing in recent polls to Trump, whereas Bernie is beating him big time.

Even if Bernie does not win the nomination, he can still run as an independent, or voters could use write-in ballots to vote for him.

I was a BIG Bernie Bro...I have all kinds of memorabilia and everything but...Bernie obviously gave up this election. So I switched because I'm not voting for someone who doesn't want to be President anymore. You should seriously invest some interest in Jill Stein, my dude. :) A lot of her views are the same if not better than Bernie's. :) So vote for someone still in the run, y'know? Trust me, I'd vote for Bernie if he ran again.


By the way I have a PSA...
SOCIALISM is NOT COMMUNISM.
It actually sickens me how many people are voting for Trump (or Hillary).
 
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SOCIALISM is NOT COMMUNISM.
Couldn't agree more but sadly most people almost always lump ideological systems more liberal them the democratic party as Socialist

It actually sickens me how many people are voting for Trump (or Hillary).
Same here which is why i am voting Johnson.
 

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You know, EVERYONE I've talked to says they'd vote for Jill if she had a chance of winning and it genuinely pisses me off because she does and the only reason she doesn't is because everyone is brainwashed into saying she doesn't... $Hillary and Drumpf are literal pigs of their own parties. I have gone full #DemExit and you leave the 2 party system as well.



I was a BIG Bernie Bro...I have all kinds of memorabilia and everything but...Bernie obviously gave up this election. So I switched because I'm not voting for someone who doesn't want to be President anymore. You should seriously invest some interest in Jill Stein, my dude. :) A lot of her views are the same if not better than Bernie's. :) So vote for someone still in the run, y'know? Trust me, I'd vote for Bernie if he ran again.
If you care about the more progressive candidate becoming president, you should vote for Secretary Clinton. She, Sanders, and Stein are in alignment on policy 90-95% of the time. If you care more about making a statement rather than whether or not Donald Trump becomes president, then you should vote for Jill Stein.
 

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Couldn't agree more but sadly most people almost always lump ideological systems more liberal them the democratic party as Socialist


Same here which is why i am voting Johnson.
But Jill tho. ;-;
If you were a Bernie Bro, please understand that Johnson is more similar to Trump than Bernie lmao

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If you care about the more progressive candidate becoming president, you should vote for Secretary Clinton. She, Sanders, and Stein are in alignment on policy 90-95% of the time. If you care more about making a statement rather than whether or not Donald Trump becomes president, then you should vote for Jill Stein.

I'm getting Jill Stein's vote up enough that she can get Federal Funding next election. Also, Hillary is an actual scumbag.
 

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But Jill tho. ;-;
If you were a Bernie Bro, please understand that Johnson is more similar to Trump than Bernie lmao
I supported Bernie but I am not #BernieOrBust.
I am a libertarian and Johnson reflects my ideas of how a government should be the most although we have disagreements. But i havd considered voting for Stein as I like her and think she has alot of good ideas and also I respect her supporters as well (especially all the crap the Greens are putting up with the Clinton crowd ). I supported Anderson in 12 also for the record.
 

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I supported Bernie but I am not #BernieOrBust.
I am a libertarian and Johnson reflects my ideas of how a government should be the most although we have disagreements. But i havd considered voting for Stein as I like her and think she has alot of good ideas and also I respect her supporters as well (especially all the crap the Greens are putting up with the Clinton crowd ). I supported Anderson in 12 also for the record.
I mean I could give you a hell of an argument to vote for Stein, but the end decision is up to you. I just recommend doing some more heavy reading into your choices before you make it. :)
BTW, here are some dank hashtags:
#JillNotHill
#GreenTeaAnyone?
#JillKillsHill
#SteindTogether (Get it? :creep:)
 

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I mean I could give you a hell of an argument to vote for Stein, but the end decision is up to you. I just recommend doing some more heavy reading into your choices before you make it. :)
Yeah i am although i will probably vote Johnson, I might vote Stein if there is a major change or something that makes me re think my vote.

BTW, here are some dank hashtags:
#JillNotHill
#GreenTeaAnyone?
#JillKillsHill
#SteindTogether
I have seen most of them on Twitter but i wonder why no one has done one like for example #MakeAmericaGreen
 

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I supported Bernie but I am not #BernieOrBust.
I am a libertarian (...)
Wait, what? You're a libertarian and you supported Bernie of all people? That's... Shocking, to say the least.

As for Jill Stein, have we really sunk so low as to support a party openly advertising itself as "eco-socialist"? They should rename themselves to "The Red Party", at least everyone would immediately know what they stand for.
 

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Wait, what? You're a libertarian and you supported Bernie of all people? That's... Shocking, to say the least.
Mainly since he was against the war in Iraq, supported auditing the Fed, was critical of Greenspan and Bernake, is against the TPP,guns, supported needed changes to the millitary, and is against private prisons.

Granted i disagree strongly on unions,welfare, taxes, and many economic issues but no one is perfect and he was ths best of the two party lot (Rand was not a true libertarian by any means).
 

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Mainly since he was against the war in Iraq, supported auditing the Fed, was critical of Greenspan and Bernake, is against the TPP,guns, supported needed changes to the millitary, and is against private prisons.

Granted i disagree strongly on unions,welfare, taxes, and many economic issues but no one is perfect and he was ths best of the two party lot (Rand was not a true libertarian by any means).
B-but Greenspan is a libertarian superhero when it comes to economics, the only reason to criticize him is his latest claims that "he was wrong" - he's gotten soft over the years. I get that nobody's perfect, but Bernie is the polar opposite of a libertarian candidate.
 

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B-but Greenspan is a libertarian superhero when it comes to economics, the only reason to criticize him is his latest claims that "he was wrong" - he's gotten soft over the years.
Greenspan was an idiot who harmed the economy in so many ways and then got off the hook. Plus most Libertarians hold negative views of him and his hypocritical nature (claims to be a Mises follower but his actions go against every thing Mises believed in).
 

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Greenspan was an idiot who harmed the economy in so many ways and then got off the hook. Plus most Libertarians hold negative views of him and his hypocritical nature (claims to be a Mises follower but his actions go against every thing Mises believed in).
That's interesting. I've never heard of libertarians taking that position, must be a different circle I suppose.
 

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Hillary has adopted better positions, but you can expect her to turn her back on them the second shes in office. That woman is trying to challenge Trump in untrustworthiness
 

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That's interesting. I've never heard of libertarians taking that position, must be a different circle I suppose.
Ron Paul, Mark Thorton, anti fiat/gold standard Libertarians, and many other Libertarians dislike him very much die to his policies. Check the articles on Mises,Cato, or Lew Rockwell to see what i mean
 
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