Yes. A few days without the Police is enough to make a city look like Syria. Even with the Cops, they were rioting, looting, destroying, and burning down random buildings, to the point where they needed the military to step in. I seen this all first hand, lol. This convinced me that if the Cops weren't around to deter them, it would turn into complete Anarchy within a few hours.
People were rioting in response to police brutality and abuses of power...how tone deaf can you get?
My city's Police had nothing to do with it. Yet we still had people destroying my city, and burning down shit for no reason. It took the Military + Cops to get things under control.
Lol, you'd be dead within the first few weeks if all the Cops went away. You'd be begging for them to come back. Your city would become Syria quite fast.
Wow, Minneapolis sure is a shit hole, with lots of crime, let's defund the Cops!
Has everyone in here an uncle thats in the force, or why has this become such a heated debate? Why are so many people into local politics all of a sudden? For maybe two weeks, that is the exact time until the outrage dies down, and everyone realizes, that it might be easier to redesign the police (in that one town), just to get non reformable parts out, while redesigning. Those officers had complaints against them stacked, even prior to the incidence. At which point you are looking at the management and checks (of checks and balances) again. And its far easier to (f.e. (dont know if this will be the case)) fire the entire force, and then make them reapply, than to change the internal culture, from an organizational level.
So many people die, because they are running from the cops, also is a fallacy. Running away from something is not a danger to the cops life. And 'use excessive force' not the signing off part of getting a new case call.
I see about ten people in here that all of a sudden have become experts in 'institutional sociology' while some of them seem to be in fear of a Mad Max scenario...Those were your first riots on TV, then?
edit: Oh, I just saw, that in my local (european) newspaper, "Trump is standing behind the police force" is todays headline. Might that be why?
(edit: For 'what are non reformable parts' in a police force, as was said above, watch the latest John Oliver video.)
The outrage was national for good reason, George Floyd's murder was by no stretch of the imagination an isolated incident.
The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone has been established for more than a few weeks already. Not one death/murder has occurred inside of it. Kinda undercuts your argument here.
Yes, let's. As it stands currently, cops are expected to go way above and beyond their job description in a lot of scenarios, so having no mental healthcare infrastructure, for example, is just as unfair to them in that sense. Rather than continuing to waste money on the militarization of the police, we need community and welfare services in place which reduce the need for a heavy police presence.
51 years ago and in fucking "Montreal" of all goddamn places. Hardly comparable to what could/is going on right now...
Do you think human nature has changed in 50 years? It serves a few purposes as evidence. Demonstrating that this is not unique to America and as a general principle the threat of force is necessary for civil society. This was a single day and the decay set in immediately in a city that has grown significantly since then. What do you imagine would happen if this were to go on for days or weeks at a time? Let alone any hypothetical scenario where the police are abolished permanently.
Yeah I saw that last night, just my luck on the timing. The shooter was probably a conservative nutjob like usual, but I'll reserve judgment on that until we have more information. Regardless, these types of shootings happen every day in America, even in the most heavily-policed of areas. Let's not pretend that their presence in the general vicinity would've prevented this.
"Doughy LARPers?" And here I thought you were pro-police.
I read this sentence three times over and it still makes no sense. So here's a long-winded meme:If you take policing as seriously as I do CHAZ that explains why your world view is so fucked.
Edit: you know what, it was actually my bad this time around, my mind was replacing a couple words while reading it for some reason. Let me try my response again.
It doesn't matter how seriously I take policing as long as they don't take their own physical or mental fitness seriously.If you take policing as seriously as I do CHAZ that explains why your world view is so fucked.
Closest I can find off-hand is this, though it doesn't seem to account for those who were killed by police through any means other than shooting, and it doesn't account for any instances of police brutality that didn't end in death.
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In George Floyd's case, yes, but seemingly only because the entire thing was recorded and there was too much public pressure to ignore. Breonna Taylor was murdered in her sleep just days prior to George Floyd's murder, and it appears as though there are no plans to charge any of the officers involved (though the department says they will be fired).
Police and military are just about the only things left that the US hasn't already de-funded, so we're left with few other good options. Aside from healthcare (both physical and mental), plenty of other sectors stand to benefit, including education, housing, youth services, and parks/wildlife.
Unfortunately, yes. The bad ones are not the exception within the current system, they're the rule. There are few better examples of this I can point to than Cariol Horne, a black female police officer who was fired after she stepped in to stop a white officer's potentially lethal chokehold on a suspect. She lost her pension eligibility after having worked 19 of the 20 years required to receive it. Meanwhile, Derek Chauvin (George Floyd's killer) remains eligible for his pension to this day.
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