The ONS stats are all broken down by age group and are scaled per capita, so I'm unsure what your rebuttal is here - can't we look at elderly people and see which cohort has higher mortality?
You can look at whatever you want. I already know these stats.
You claimed a 50% risk reduction, but that is comparing a scenario where 0% of the population was jabbed to a scenario where 100% of the population is jabbed. This assumes 0% of the population would get jabbed voluntarily. If say 90% were already jabbed voluntarily, then introducing the mandate would only result in a very small risk reduction, since the classroom would only be transitioning from 90% jabbed to 100% jabbed. That's what I was getting at there.
I didn’t claim anything, I made an observation based on what you said. You made a claim, and you’re trying to back out of it, even though it was a hypothetical scenario. You made it up, not me.
Interesting, so you believe that being jabbed gives you special privileges in society like being able to buy essential goods and services, and that being religious gives you special privileges of being able to force others to serve you.
Why are you bringing “society” into this? Take the Joker make-up off - you’re trying to enter my property, that I own. “Society” is not entitled to it, to my goods or to my services - I’m not your slave. I decide who gets to enter and who doesn’t, based on whatever rules I decide, including completely arbitrary ones. I am not in violation of the law so long as those rules are not enforced selectively in a discriminatory fashion. “No shoes, no shirt, no service” is the exact same premise as “no mask, no service” or “no vaccine passport, no service”. Business owners are entitled to set up such policies if they believe it is beneficial to their business to do so. Whether you like it or not is immaterial, it’s not your property to manage. I’m sorry if that doesn’t align with whatever goofy moral compass you’ve invented for yourself, but I have good news for you - my refusal to allow you entry to my premises shows you a niche in the market. You can open a bakery yourself and scoop up all the customers that I’ve ejected. This is all in theory since I’ve already stated that I’m against vaccine passports on principle, that’s one aspect you’ve convenient glossed over. I wouldn’t implement such a policy, I’m merely stating that business owners are entitled to do so if they so choose.
Well religious beliefs are just beliefs, I would say. I don't see why certain beliefs would grant privileges and others wouldn't. It's not like people can change their beliefs anyway. It's not like I can wake up tomorrow and decide I'm going to believe that some religion is true, or that I'm a threat to others.
Free practice of religion is protected under the 1st and religious discrimination is prohibited in multiple ways. As far as the U.S. is concerned, this discussion is pointless - the law of the land already governs this.
In my view the only valid reason for having a mandate is if not having it would result in some significant or unacceptably high risk level. But you dispute this on the basis that...
There’s no mandate. Private business owners can decide how their businesses operate. Government stooges are not knocking door to door forcing anyone to take the vaccine, that’s not a thing. Mandates have been rejected as a possible remedy to the pandemic in most civilised countries because they infringe upon a patient’s right to choice.
In that case it's my religious belief that you should serve me. I believe in a religion called rationalism that says vaccine mandates are unjustified. Also I'm sexually repulsed at being jabbed so it's part of my sexual identity now.
Very funny. Already addressed, too - argue it in court. Rules apply to everyone, including the religion you made up on the spot that is not recognised in any way.
Federal vaccination guidelines in my country say that valid consent must be obtained before vaccination, where "valid consent" must be "free of coercion, pressure, or manipulation". In this case how would you as a private business owner fire me for not being jabbed? I'd go to the clinic, tell them I want to be jabbed because Foxi4 is going to fire me otherwise, and they'd have to say "sorry we can only jab people who aren't being coerced". I'd return to work the next day and explain what happened and that I tried to do as you told, but they refused. How is it my fault if everyone refuses to jab me? If it's not my fault that others won't jab me, then I'd claim unfair dismissal as I followed your orders and instructions. Are you going to require that I lie to the clinic that I'm not being coerced?
You’re moving goalposts - I thought you wanted to shop, now you work for me? Very interesting indeed. If you listen closely, you can hear the distinct sound of back-pedalling. This is a completely different scenario because there’s a pre-existing business relationship and a contract - changing the terms of that contract in a way that would effectively invalidate it, or make the employee unqualified for the position, could potentially be unlawful depending on the circumstances. There are certain industries where such a requirement is justified and others where it is not. Now, if you were seeking a job at my business, things are very different - there is no pre-existing agreement and it absolutely is up to me to decide what the terms of engagement are - you can accept them and we can shake hands on it or you can refuse them and we can go our separate ways. For the record, “having a job” is not an entitlement - you’re not being coerced to do anything. You not being able to get a freely available jab sounds like a you problem to me, as far as my jurisdiction is concerned. You also used the word “guidelines”. You’ll notice that I used the word “law”, which happens to be on my side.
