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TOKYO – A spike in radiation levels in Tokyo tap water spurred new fears about food safety Wednesday as rising black smoke forced another evacuation of workers trying to stabilize Japan's radiation-leaking nuclear plant.

Radiation has seeped into vegetables, raw milk, the water supply and seawater since a magnitude-9 quake and killer tsunami crippled the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant nearly two weeks ago. Broccoli was added to a list of tainted vegetables, and U.S. and Hong Kong officials announced a block on Japanese dairy and some produce from the region.

The crisis is emerging as the world's most expensive natural disaster on record, likely to cost up to $309 billion, according to a new government estimate. The death toll continued to rise, with more than 9,400 bodies counted and more than 15,600 people listed as missing.

Concerns about food safety spread Wednesday to Tokyo after officials said tap water showed elevated levels: 210 becquerels of iodine-131 per liter of water — more than twice the recommended limit of 100 becquerels per liter for infants. Another measurement taken later at a different site showed the level was 190 becquerels per liter. The recommended limit for adults is 300 becquerels.

"It is really scary. It is like a vicious negative spiral from the nuclear disaster," said Etsuko Nomura, a mother of two young children ages 2 and 5. "We have contaminated milk and vegetables, and now tap water in Tokyo, and I'm wondering what's next."

Infants are particularly vulnerable to radioactive iodine, which can cause thyroid cancer, experts say. The limits refer to sustained consumption rates, and officials urged calm, saying parents should stop giving the tap water to babies, but that it was no worry if the infants already had consumed small amounts.

They said the levels posed no immediate health risk for older children or adults.

"Even if you drink this water for one year, it will not affect people's health," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said.

Tokyo residents shouldn't worry, said Dr. Lim Sang-moo, director of nuclear medicine at the Korea Cancer Center Hospital in Seoul.

Parents might want to be more cautious if they have a choice. "Nobody wants to drink radioactive water," he said. But "it's not a medical problem but a psychosocial problem: The stress that people get from the radioactivity is more dangerous than the radioactivity itself."

Also, radioactive iodine is short-lived, with a half-life of eight days, meaning the length of time it takes for half of it to break down harmlessly.

Richard Wakeford, a public health radiologist at the University of Manchester in Britain, blamed the spike in radiation on a shift in winds from the nuclear plant toward Tokyo. He predicted lower levels in coming days once the wind shifts back to normal patterns.

"I imagine that bottled water is now quite popular in Tokyo," he said.

Convenience stores around Tokyo began selling out of water soon after the news broke. At one downtown supermarket, clerk Toru Kikutaka said water purchases were limited to two, two-liter bottles per person, but the store still sold out almost immediately.

"I've never seen anything like this," he said.

The latest reported food data showed sharp increases in radioactivity levels in a range of vegetables. In an area about 25 miles (40 kilometers) northwest of the plant, levels for one locally grown leafy green called kukitachina measured 82 times the government's limit for radioactive cesium and 11 times the limit for iodine.

The unsettling new development affecting Japan's largest city, home to some 13 million in the city center, came as nuclear officials struggled to stabilize the hobbled reactor 140 miles (220 kilometers) to the north.

The quake and tsunami that struck off the east coast March 11 knocked out the plant's crucial cooling systems.

Explosions and fires followed in four of the plant's six reactors, leaking radioactive steam into the air. Progress in cooling down the facility has been intermittent, disrupted by rises in radiation, elevated pressure in reactors and overheated storage pools.

The plant operator had restored circuitry to bring power to all six units and turned on lights at Unit 3 late Tuesday for the first time since the disaster — a significant step toward restarting the cooling system.

It had hoped to restore power to cooling pumps at the unit within days, but experts warned the work included the risk of sparking fires as electricity is restored through equipment potentially damaged in the tsunami.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. manager Teruaki Kobayashi said the pump for Unit 3 had been tested and it was working. But officials weren't sure when they would be able to turn the power on to the pump.

In a new setback, black smoke billowed from Unit 3, prompting another evacuation of workers from the plant during the afternoon, Tokyo Electric officials said. They added that there had been no corresponding spike in radiation at the plant.

"We don't know the reason" for the smoke, said Hidehiko Nishiyama of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

Late Wednesday, nuclear agency official Kenji Kawasaki said workers would not be allowed to return to the plant until Thursday morning, as it was too difficult to tell at night whether all the smoke had cleared.

As a precaution, officials have evacuated residents living within 12 miles (20 kilometers) of the plant and advised those up to 19 miles (30 kilometers) away to stay indoors to minimize exposure.

And for the first time, Edano suggested that those downwind of the plant, even if just outside the zone, should stay indoors with the windows shut tight.

Survivors, meanwhile, buried the dead from the disaster in makeshift coffins, resorting to wrapping some bodies in blue tarps.

In Higashimatsushima, about 200 miles (320 kilometers) northeast of Tokyo, soldiers lowered bare plywood coffins into the ground, saluting each casket, as families watched from a distance. Two young girls wept inconsolably, their father hugging them tight.

"I hope their spirits will rest in peace here at this temporary place," said mourner Katsuko Oguni, 42.

Hundreds of thousands remained homeless, squeezed into temporary shelters without heat, warm food or medicine and no idea what to call home after the colossal wave swallowed up cities and towns along the coast.

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So much for the stabilization, it hasn't done anything about the radiation leakage but at least the pump is working and even though there is smoke at reactor 3, there's no radiation increase, the government needs to ask for fresh water immediately, once they ask for water, I'll send some bottled water to the Red Cross post haste. This disaster is probably the worst in my lifetime even more than the tsunami that hit SE Asia as there was actual rebuilding nearly a year afterward, I don't expect this to be the same for Japan due to the nuclear situation.
 

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Hop2089 said:
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So much for the stabilization, it hasn't done anything about the radiation leakage but at least the pump is working and even though there is smoke at reactor 3, there's no radiation increase, the government needs to ask for fresh water immediately, once they ask for water, I'll send some bottled water to the Red Cross post haste. This disaster is probably the worst in my lifetime even more than the tsunami that hit SE Asia as there was actual rebuilding nearly a year afterward, I don't expect this to be the same for Japan due to the nuclear situation.

I swear to God, I'm going to start banging my head against my desk if you don't start reading your own articles. The only concern about the tap water is over young infants, and even then it says only if they've consumed large amounts. Considering the half-life of the material in question, this should clear itself up if and when everything else stabilizes.

"No rebuilding due to the nuclear situation?" It's not a waste land, buddy.
 

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even though the japanese government says that the radiated water may only effect infants, i doubt thats the case.

im not expecting people to grow tentacles for drinking the water, but the japanese govt is famous for withholding info
 

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I'll just leave this here to help people put the numbers into perspective:

Qtis said:
Just to add something here before people start shouting that the whole affair is out of control and that everyone will get cancer.. Without much say in how the situation is in reality since I'm not in Japan at the moment, I'd like to point out something about radiation levels: The levels of radiation considered "toxic" vary a lot in different countries. For example in the Nordic countries (Yes the north of EU: Sweden, Finland, Norway, etc), the basic radiation level of tap water is higher than the level measured in Tokyo and the safety limits are also higher than the ones in Japan (300Bq vs 100Bq). What the Japanese gov considers Toxic is quite normal in another place. Still people don't die because of cancer at a higher level than everyone else in for example Finland.


Funny thing that people tend to forget that there is a constant radiation level all around the world, because all radioactive material is actually in the ground, not some faraway place from where it magically ends up into the nuclear power plants. I doubt there is any hiding of evidence in the area, but information might not be available at lightning fast speed to TEPCO either.


-Qtis

ps. Also, coal mining kills thousands of people every year. Put that into perspective when looking at different power options. Nothing is 100% safe if you look at the whole picture
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Also something to add here: The tap water in Finland is one of the purest in the world (tap water > bottled water in terms of purity and not being contaminated in any way (Bacteria, viruses, algae, etc)).


-Qtis
 

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Hop2089 said:
So much for the stabilization, it hasn't done anything about the radiation leakage but at least the pump is working and even though there is smoke at reactor 3, there's no radiation increase, the government needs to ask for fresh water immediately, once they ask for water, I'll send some bottled water to the Red Cross post haste. This disaster is probably the worst in my lifetime even more than the tsunami that hit SE Asia as there was actual rebuilding nearly a year afterward, I don't expect this to be the same for Japan due to the nuclear situation.

Worse than the SE Asia one? Considering even worse case estimates of the Japanese death toll would be 10x less than the SE asia tsunami I think that's overstating the issue. The Sichuan earthquake killed 200k. And as icing on the cake of having their only child killed, parents got a giant middle finger from the government on relief efforts (it's always nice when the mayor of your town is stealing relief money and relief goods and reselling them to the people who need it at 10x the price), rebuilding (yeah I can now sell the land your house used to be on for 100x the price to a developer and kick you out), and compensation for their 'tofu buildings' that killed all the children who were at school at the time (complain and you get jailed and are forced to 'apologize' for being a bad citizen). You're not digging hard enough if you need 'worst in your lifetime'.
 

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Qtis said:
Also something to add here: The tap water in Finland is one of the purest in the world (tap water > bottled water in terms of purity and not being contaminated in any way (Bacteria, viruses, algae, etc)).


-Qtis

Most tap water is like that in any industrialized nation. Unless you live in a 3rd world country, tap water is really really safe. The only thing I would say filtering the water is good for is if it has a bit of a chlorine taste. I just chug water off the faucet at home. My wife thinks I'm insane
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