Do You Believe In God?

evandixon · Aug 25, 2016

Yil said:
Then what is existence? How can it be explained since it comes before and thus beyond logic. (be preserved, even if lack of physical, or even some vision in your head is classified as existing)

I don't understand your question or how it relates to what I posted. But I'll give it my best shot.
Existence (n): "the fact or state of living or having objective reality"

In the context of us, we exist if we're within objective reality.
Defining whether God exists is harder to put into words, but thinking about it the other way, Christains believe that God exists because we can observe the complex design of the universe, none of which is possible if He did not exist.

Lacius · Aug 25, 2016

UniqueGeek said:
No one.

Theists, Deists, Athiests, and Panthiests (I believe that covers pretty much everyone) all believe that something has to be infinite, having always been, needing no maker. Thiests (like myself), Deists, and Panthiests believe that God is infinite, and athiests believe that the universe or matter is infinite.

Why do I even bother posting here? Numerous times, and sometimes in direct response to your posts, I've pointed out possibilities that don't require anything being infinite.

UniqueGeek said:
I don't understand your question or how it relates to what I posted. But I'll give it my best shot.
Existence (n): "the fact or state of living or having objective reality"

In the context of us, we exist if we're within objective reality.
Defining whether God exists is harder to put into words, but thinking about it the other way, Christains believe that God exists because we can observe the complex design of the universe, none of which is possible if He did not exist.

Complexity is not evidence of design. Design has to be demonstrated if it is going to be asserted.

Yil · Aug 25, 2016

Lacius said:
Why do I even bother posting here? Numerous times, and sometimes in direct response to your posts, I've pointed out possibilities that don't require anything being infinite.

Complexity is not evidence of design. Design has to be demonstrated if it is going to be asserted.

Another thing about intelligent design is that it is much more likely to cause trouble, since nature get rid of failures and let everything remain in a dynamic balance.

evandixon · Aug 25, 2016

Lacius said:
Numerous times, and sometimes in direct response to your posts, I've pointed out possibilities that don't require anything being infinite.

Then how did they come into existence?

Yil · Aug 25, 2016

UniqueGeek said:
Then how did they come into existence?

A tendency toward something. But Christian god plays no part in this, nor is he the creator.

evandixon · Aug 25, 2016

Yil said:
A tendency toward something

If there is nothing infinite, then where did matter with this tendency come from?

Yil said:
But Christian god plays no part in this, nor is he the creator.

I believe He does/is.

If you're going to make a statement like that, it's usually best to either support your argument, or say why you believe it. I believe God created the universe because the universe is incredibly complex, and intelligent design makes the most sense IMO. Several posts ago someone posted a link that's a response to the book The God Delusion, which I think sums things up pretty nicely.
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/philosophy-theology/a-response-to-the-god-delusion/

Yil · Aug 25, 2016

UniqueGeek said:
If there is nothing infinite, then where did matter with this tendency come from?

I believe He does/is.

If you're going to make a statement like that, it's usually best to either support your argument, or say why you believe it. I believe God created the universe because the universe is incredibly complex, and intelligent design makes the most sense IMO. Several posts ago someone posted a link that's a response to the book The God Delusion, which I think sums things up pretty nicely.
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/philosophy-theology/a-response-to-the-god-delusion/

How does any of the facts prove that god is the creator?

evandixon · Aug 25, 2016

Yil said:
How does any of the facts prove that god is the creator?

There's no hard evidence for anyone's hypothesis about the beginning of life and the universe. But...

A Response to The God Delusion said:
The odds against assembling the human genome spontaneously are incalculable. The probability of assembling the genome is between 4^-180 to 4^-110,000 and 4^-360 to 4^-110,000. These numbers give some feel for the unlikelihood of the species Homo sapiens. And if anyone were to accept evolution by chance, they would have to believe in a miracle as these numbers are so high! Therefore evolution itself would prove the existence of God!

I find it much easier to believe that an intelligent God whom we can't fully comprehend created everything than random chance with astronomically low odds in a process we can't fully comprehend.

Yil · Aug 25, 2016

UniqueGeek said:
There's no hard evidence for anyone's hypothesis about the beginning of life and the universe. But...

I find it much easier to believe that an intelligent God whom we can't fully comprehend created everything than random chance with astronomically low odds in a process we can't fully comprehend.

There is a tendency which humans already approached and rest still struggling. Further, there are other forms of life not even classified as organic, which further what can be considered life and what not.
And beside just because you cannot comprehend does not mean it has to be from a higher intelligence.

invaderyoyo · Aug 25, 2016

UniqueGeek said:
There's no hard evidence for anyone's hypothesis about the beginning of life and the universe. But...

I find it much easier to believe that an intelligent God whom we can't fully comprehend created everything than random chance with astronomically low odds in a process we can't fully comprehend.

Evolution isn't random chance...

Also, like I mentioned before, time is RELATIVE. Objects moving faster experience slower time as well as objects in stronger gravity. Why assume that the universe needs a beginning. Maybe the universe, by which I mean all of existence, is static.

grossaffe · Aug 25, 2016

UniqueGeek said:
There's no hard evidence for anyone's hypothesis about the beginning of life and the universe. But...

I find it much easier to believe that an intelligent God whom we can't fully comprehend created everything than random chance with astronomically low odds in a process we can't fully comprehend.

If I flip a coin a billion times, the probability of any given sequence of results is one in 2^(a billion). Astronomically low. That doesn't mean that it was designed to create the sequence that happened to play out, it just means that was the sequence that happened to play out. You are falling into the fallacy that we are some end result to be worked towards. We are not the end goal. We are not the desired outcome. We are an outcome. Actually, even that isn't entirely accurate as we aren't at an endpoint.

TheDarkGreninja · Aug 25, 2016

grossaffe said:
All you're doing is pushing the creation question further down the line without providing any real answers.

You seem to not understand how a universe could exist, one the universe cant be uncreated, since we know it has a beginning because nothing in reality is infinite (its qualititve not quantitive) so it had to be something outisde the universe that was uncreated the most simple is god a being of infinite power.
Im tired od seeing this argument placed again and again for the past 1500 posts so ill just sum this entire thread up in some videos watch it or not:

Theyre all by a muslim guy yes and they do have a basis on the quran so if you hate the idea that a muslim is arguing from a point of a theist then ok, don't watch it.

@Lacius Did you watch the video?

Onepunchbruh · Aug 25, 2016

Onepunchbruh · Aug 25, 2016

Skip to 6:55

Flame · Aug 25, 2016

My god @Haider Raza you have opened my eyes with your videos.

before I walked in the valley of the Shadow of Death, but maybe that's because my friends iPhone maps sucked.

now im on the right path to righteousness and becoming a Shito

erman1337 · Aug 25, 2016

stop shitposting

Onepunchbruh · Aug 25, 2016

Flame said:
My god @Haider Raza you have opened my eyes with your videos.

before I walked in the valley of the Shadow of Death, but maybe that's because my friends iPhone maps sucked.

now im on the right path to righteousness and becoming a Shito

So you became sh_to? wern't you always a sh_to?

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MarioErmando said:
stop shitposting

Who are you talking to? (If me) then why me? I'm just giving some info to the non-believers. Is it bad to do that?

Flame · Aug 25, 2016

Haider Raza said:
So you became sh_to? wern't you always a sh_to?

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Who are you talking to? (If me) then why me? I'm just giving some info to the non-believers. Is it bad to o that?

in saudi arabia if I took the fun out of your religion what would happen to my me?

so why are you making fun out of my new religion.

Onepunchbruh · Aug 25, 2016

Flame said:
in saudi arabia if I took the fun out of your religion what would happen to my me?

so why are you making fun out of my new religion.

What fun? Are you talkin about that call from muslim guy video? If yes then what wrong did he said? He is just asking question that you guys can't explain to anyone. I want to know the same question's about the trinty thing.

The bible that you read today is not the real bible it is all mixed up by some guys. There wer'nt no trinty thhing in the bible it is made up today. So you guys think jesus was god. But jesus never claim himself as god. He said There is only one god. But what the trinty says that there are 3gods. Then will you believe trinty thing or jesus?

TheDarkGreninja · Aug 25, 2016

Flame said:
in saudi arabia if I took the fun out of your religion what would happen to my me?

so why are you making fun out of my new religion.

You use saudi arabia as an example when they dont follow sharia law.

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