Do You Believe In God?

filfat said:

If i believe in a God? No, I usually don't believe things at all without evidence, I need real proof (feelings and voices in your head aren't). The idea of a God in itself is just completely absurd since it goes against all and every logic we have evolved to have.

On the subject of what happens after you die, that's easy. It's nothing. Really, nothing. The neurons in your brain stop firing therefore you can't interpret anything which equals nothingness. It's like turning off a computer, only it'll be such degraded after a few minutes that you can't turn it on again. No matter what religious people argue. You won't be a part of an afterlife since you physically won't be there, and neither will your brain which contains you (it's like copying a file from a flash drive to your pc they will still contain the same data bot won't be the same materia and therefore isn't the same).

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mustafag32g said:

Well, if you knew a bit then science has proof that your consciesness moves on and continues even after death! http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...veal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study

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vincentx77 said:

Look, not getting into your insane religious pissing contest, I just want to point out something about this article that REALLY needs to be said. If this, and articles like this, are your 'scientific' proof of life after death, all you're really doing is simply latching on to what you want to hear without doing any research about what happens during anoxic brain injury (essentially, what happens when your brain ceases to receive oxygen). I have a B.S. Psychology with an emphasis in neurophysiology, and if that isn't enough for you guys, this past January, my sister's heart stopped in the middle of the night while she was asleep. It was ten minutes before we could get it restarted. Essentially, she died of this kind of injury. So let me impart some actually knowledge that doesn't come from a right-wing religious slanted fluff piece written specifically to tell Christians, Jews, and Muslims exactly what they want to hear.

When your heart stops, you lose consciousness. That's because oxygen is no longer circulating to your body. It's also a defense mechanism. Your brain IS NOT DEAD. If it were, then CPR would be a pointless endeavor. If you heart can bet restarted in around 3 minutes, it's unlikely you'll even have any brain damage. Some people have even gone a bit longer, up to 5. The longer you go without oxygen, the greater the likelihood that cells in your brain will start to die.

It's important to say this, because in these first few minutes, your brain can be active. Some people dream, some hear and see (if their eyes are left open), some hallucinate (basically mix dream and reality). This is because the LIVING BRAIN is shutting down and not yet dead. Not everyone will do this. Some just lose consciousness and that's it. It's a personal thing, pretty much just like everything else.

I'm not shitting on your religion here. I'm not telling you not to believe whatever you want. But things like this ARE NOT PROOF of an afterlife. Science knows better, and shame on any of you who try to purport otherwise.

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Yil said:

I have achieved astral projection, and there is a second 'brain' that does not rely on electrical potential. However god's afterlife was an unnatural process to milk your soul.

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mustafag32g said:

Did all this nonsense just come out from your head?

Well, if you knew a bit then science has proof that your consciesness moves on and continues even after death! http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...veal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study

I believe that Islam is the right religion. Not those shithead that kill in the name of religion. Those are just psychopaths who have latched themselves on religion.

Quran has never changed since it was revealed thousands of years ago.

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[Quran 2:87] We gave Moses the scripture, and subsequent to him we sent other messengers, and we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it not a fact that every time a messenger went to you with anything you disliked, your ego caused you to be arrogant? Some of them you rejected, and some of them you killed.

[Quran 2:253] These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For example, God spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks. And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit.

[Quran 5:110] God will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessings upon you and your mother. I supported you with the Holy Spirit, to enable you to speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult. I taught you the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel.

[Quran 19:17-19] While a barrier separated her from them, we sent to her our Spirit. He went to her in the form of a human being. She said, "I seek refuge in the Most Gracious, that you may be righteous." He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."

[Quran 78:38] The day will come when the Spirit and the angels will stand in a row. None will speak except those permitted by the Most Gracious, and they will utter only what is right.

[Quran 97:4] The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by their Lord's leave, to carry out every command.

The time of miracles is over! We are left with quran as the last revelation. Now it is up to us to believe in the lord of the worlds/universe.

How arrogant is man to think he has control over everything..

[Quran 2:118] Those who possess no knowledge say, "If only God could speak to us, or some miracle could come to us!" Others before them have uttered similar utterances; their minds are similar. We do manifest the miracles for those who have attained certainty.

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Lacius said:

Absence of an alternative explanation is not evidence for another. In addition, there is no specific science in the Quran that wasn't known for the time, and there are plenty of errors in the Quran that cannot be attributed to mistranslation or misinterpretation.

It's cherry-picking at its finest to say, "All these things that I don't like are misinterpretations," and, "All these things I do like are not misinterpretations." If something in the Quran cannot stand alone as a scientific fact, then it's not any sort of specific science with explanatory power. Instead, you are in hindsight taking the actual science and applying it to vague passages in the Quran. If the Quran is so insightful and so full of science ahead of its time, why didn't we know these scientific facts until after the actual science came out?

The idea that the Quran is the greatest piece of scientific literature is bologna that has been debunked over and over again.

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Smoker1 said:

Sorry but I have a Logical, Rational, and Scientific way of thinking on this Subject. There are simply too many things wrong with the Bible and how it explains Events described in it. There are way too many things I can list. I believe everyone has a Right to believe how they want, just dont push your Beliefs onto others and/or try to force them to believe as you do. Keep it in Home and in Church.
Few Examples:
Adam and Eve were the 1st Humans on Earth right?????? No one else? They had 2 Sons. So how they continue on with Humanity?????? Gross.
Also, if they were the 1st Humans, what Race were they??????? If White, which if you look closely at the Bible, a great many are, or Middle Eastern, then where did Asians, Blacks, Hispanics come from then?????????
Also it is Scientifically impossible for just 2 People to start up the Human Race. You need anywhere from 30-50 Couples.

Next, the Great Flood. If Noah was commanded to gather 2 of each Animal on the Planet, then how was the Americas not discovered until 1492 and why did everyone still think the World was Flat???????????????? Not to mention, with the method of Travel back then, it would have taken Decades to accomplish the Task, and also for the World to Flood, it would have taken Centuries. Unless there was a Comet or Asteroid due to Impact the Earth, I highly doubt this happened.

Next, how old is the World/Galaxy/Universe??????? According to some Religious Groups, it is around 6-7000 Years old. Then why has there been proof of Carbon Dating showing Artifacts, Mummies, Dino's being around quite a few Million Years old??????
Also, there are those who believe Humans are the ONLY beings in the Universe, that we are God's Chosen. Really? With our Galaxy being an Estimated 70,000 Light Years, and so many Galaxies in our Universe, there is not a tiny bit of a possibility that there is other Life out there????????? Seems like a big waist of Space dont you think?????? It is highly likely, that there are many other forms of Life out there that have Evolved like Humans did on other Worlds. As old as the Universe is Estimated to be, there has to be TONS of other life out there, all having various differences in Appearance.

Oh and another reason why I cant agree with Religion: At some point, way back when, according to the Bible, if you went to another Land, and those People did not answer correctly to the God or Bible Question, then you were commanded to kill them all. Really??????? Doesnt matter if they live Peacefully, try to help others or try to make a better way of Life????? Just because they do not follow what you do, that is reason enough to murder innocent Men, Women and Children huh? Oh and also make Slaves out of them???????????

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Yil said:

Something like that but it is more of a deity of alien origin than a race trying to conquir us. Trust me, aliens can at least be fight back, deities not so much.
I do believe in mysyicism, which in that regard this planet is already much more than we think, and not to mention potentially parallel universe, time, other universe like two lines in a R^n(>=3) space that is neither parallel or intersecting.Or spaces that have a complete different point of origin and completely seperated.

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TheDarkGreninja said:

How about showing some of these verses? At this point youre sounding weak, unable to come up with a conclusion so you say cherry-picked data yet you fail to show me one that isn't misinterpreted. The quran is meant to be timeless thats why we pick the interpretation that makes sense to us. You have yet to show wich passages are "vague" how about putting some time into research?
TL;DR: Put some effort into actually understanding the quran since you seem extremely one sided on it. Wouldnt expected much objectivity anyways.

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Everything you pointed out is christianities flaws. The quran doesnt even talk about time scales so as to be timeless.

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Deity's cant fight back? Youre logic is pretty funny imo. If a deity is outside this universe we cant fight back. Im not against the idea of aliens however i dont think theyre here just yet.

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The afterlife isnt provable.

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TheDarkGreninja said:

How about showing some of these verses? At this point youre sounding weak, unable to come up with a conclusion so you say cherry-picked data yet you fail to show me one that isn't misinterpreted. The quran is meant to be timeless thats why we pick the interpretation that makes sense to us. You have yet to show wich passages are "vague" how about putting some time into research?
TL;DR: Put some effort into actually understanding the quran since you seem extremely one sided on it. Wouldnt expected much objectivity anyways.

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Everything you pointed out is christianities flaws. The quran doesnt even talk about time scales so as to be timeless.

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Deity's cant fight back? Youre logic is pretty funny imo. If a deity is outside this universe we cant fight back. Im not against the idea of aliens however i dont think theyre here just yet.

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The afterlife isnt provable.

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Lacius said:

I've put plenty of time into this topic, because this is far from the first time I've heard this debunked claim about science in the Quran. Don't pretend you know anything about me or my knowledge base. In reality, this topic has been thoroughly vetted by myself and others over the years, and it doesn't hold water.

I am not sure what you want from me, because I can do nothing but acknowledge that there is no specific science in any of these passages. We cannot, for example, pull the speed of light from the Quran. With every one of these examples, one can only hope to find the science in the Quran after taking the science (the speed of light, for example) and retroactively trying to cram it into a passage. Nobody was going around knowing the speed of light because they found it in the Quran. Science brought us the speed of light, and then people started to apply it to vague passages in the Quran. The same goes for every single example of alleged science in the Quran.

I have no biases here. It would only take one piece of sound evidence to begin to change my mind about the topic of God. I suggest you look at this with a shred of objectivity and acknowledge the mere possibility that the Quran is wrong.

I would ask you to provide one passage from the Quran that demonstrates some sort of specific science claim ahead of its time that we can understand independent of the actual science, but it's also irrelevant. As I've said before, the presence of science in the Quran would do nothing to demonstrate that a god exists.

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Yil said:

I said you cannot fight back deities in the same way you deal with alien. To beat a deity you need to be at least on par at the start (I don't even know how to kill an entity though avoiding one was easy enough) To fight aliens if you can last several years and reverse engineer things, you can win with a initial disadvantage.

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Smoker1 said:

Well I mean a World Wide Flood Even.
But also the other thought I had is, for those who say God Demands those who dont believe in him or the Bible be murdered, I highly doubt a Being would demand that unless from Alien Origin and is trying to dominate the World or Area.
But yeah there have been numerous Civilizations that have known about Astronomy, Biology, you name it. There was even something on a Show, forgot which one about there being a Map of the World including Antarctica when Free of Ice well before Explorers looked at the place. Also got to wonder about the Stories about Atlantis, Olympus, you name it.

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Lacius said:

I've put plenty of time into this topic, because this is far from the first time I've heard this debunked claim about science in the Quran. Don't pretend you know anything about me or my knowledge base. In reality, this topic has been thoroughly vetted by myself and others over the years, and it doesn't hold water.

I am not sure what you want from me, because I can do nothing but acknowledge that there is no specific science in any of these passages. We cannot, for example, pull the speed of light from the Quran. With every one of these examples, one can only hope to find the science in the Quran after taking the science (the speed of light, for example) and retroactively trying to cram it into a passage. Nobody was going around knowing the speed of light because they found it in the Quran. Science brought us the speed of light, and then people started to apply it to vague passages in the Quran. The same goes for every single example of alleged science in the Quran.

I have no biases here. It would only take one piece of sound evidence to begin to change my mind about the topic of God. I suggest you look at this with a shred of objectivity and acknowledge the mere possibility that the Quran is wrong.

I would ask you to provide one passage from the Quran that demonstrates some sort of specific science claim ahead of its time that we can understand independent of the actual science, but it's also irrelevant. As I've said before, the presence of science in the Quran would do nothing to demonstrate that a god exists.

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• You cant provide proof yourself yet you tell me that these things have been debunked.
• You seem to be incapable of reason.
• Reading comprehension is fun.
• If you get offended by any of these statements im sorry, im not here to make someone hate me.
• edit: i should add you also say there is incorrect science yet you fail to show me any how am i meant to believe you? Seriously you expect me to believe you there is literally nothing for me to look at objectively how about you read this objectively? and consider you might be wrong.

TheDarkGreninja said:

You do understand what timelessness is? If a religious passage was specific then it wouldn't have been followed back in its time. E.g [Quran 21:33] And He it is who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

Its not specific so as not to contradict beliefs of the time (so that people can believe everything orbits the earth back then.)

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TheDarkGreninja said:

Here's why i think youre arguements are weak:
You cant provide proof yourself yet you tell me that these things have been debunked.

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TheDarkGreninja said:

You seem to be incapable of reason.
Reading comprehension is fun.
If you get offended by any of these statements im sorry, im not here to make someone hate me.

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TheDarkGreninja said:

edit: i should add you also say there is incorrect science yet you fail to show me any how am i meant to believe you? Seriously you expect me to believe you there is literally nothing for me to look at objectively how about you read this objectively? and consider you might be wrong.

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UniqueGeek said:

It's not that that God demands that people who don't believe in Him be murdered, it's that we all deserve death for being corrupt through sin, and he provided a way for us to get back to Him (through Jesus). Everyone has the choice to not come back to Him, but will miss out on the gift of eternal life.

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Lacius said:

If a divinely inspired passage written in a way so as not to contradict current thinking is indistinguishable from a vague passage that has no explanatory power, it's effectively useless, regardless of which one it is.


I can easily point to passages in the Quran and say, "There is no specific science here that's ahead of its time," or say, "This contradicts what we know about the natural world." If we assume for a second that I'm right about these things, there is nothing more I can say about it. The onus is on the person claiming, for example, that there are specific scientific facts in the Quran, and the onus is also on the person claiming this to explain how this would demonstrate that a god exists. It doesn't.


I don't seem to be the one who is offended here, claiming I'm incapable of reason or lack reading comprehension.


There are plenty of errors in the Quran. I have posted a link. You're free to argue that each and every one is a mistranslation or misinterpretation without looking at them, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Whether or not there are errors in the Quran is irrelevant to whether or not there's any reason to think the Quran is correct about God.

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Smoker1 said:

Then why is there a Thou Shall not Kill Commandment?????????????

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UniqueGeek said:

It's not that that God demands that people who don't believe in Him be murdered, it's that we all deserve death for being corrupt through sin, and he provided a way for us to get back to Him (through Jesus). Everyone has the choice to not come back to Him, but will miss out on the gift of eternal life.

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TheDarkGreninja said:

if you can easily point to messages that contradict what we know about the natural world how about showing me one?

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1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.
2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
3. The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.
5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.
9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.
11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity,gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination