Do You Believe In God?
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And just for the record I believe he is some evil deity who has been messing with us since ancient times, and that is not okay.Maybe you should try to read the quran.. God doesn't need us he says that himself in the quran ?
We need him.. Worshipping him is a way of remembrance. You must remember god so he will remember you and have mercy upon you the day you are judged for your actions.
"And He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water, that He might try you, which of you is the best in deeds. But if you were to say to them: "You shall indeed be raised up after death," those who disbelieve would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious magic."
He's the One) Who has created death and life, so He may test you which of you is best in deed. And He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving;
(He's the One) Who has created the seven heavens one above another, you can see no fault in the creations of the Most Beneficent. Then look again: "Can you see any rifts?"
Then look again and yet again, your sight will return to you in a state of humiliation and worn out.
[Noble Quran 67:1-4]
And when some hurt touches man, he cries to his Lord (Allah Alone), turning to Him in repentance, but when He bestows a favor upon him from Himself, he forgets that for which he cried for before, and he sets up rivals to Allah, in order to mislead others from His Path. Say: "Take pleasure in your disbelief for a while: surely, you are (one) of the dwellers of the Fire!" [
We forget, as we were created to forget. And this is a part of our test. Will we only use a selective memory and overlook what we owe to our Creator and Sustainer? Or will we be appreciative even when we are suffering some hardship or setback in this life? As for mankind, whenever his Lord tests him giving him honor and gifts, he says (bragging): "My Lord honors me." But whenever He tests him by withholding his livelihood, he says: "My Lord has disgraced me!" [Noble Quran 89:15-16] Then Allah makes clear to us the real reasoning behind all that is taking place: Nay! But (it is because) you do not treat orphans with kindness and generosity. And you do not encourage feeding of the poor! And you devour inheritance with greed, And you love wealth with abounding love! [Noble Quran 89:17-20]
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http://www.godallah.com/why_create.php
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People say quran is written by man and is not the words of god.
Quran provides us with the test of authenticity and offers challenges against itself to prove its veracity. God says in the holy quran:
"Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?".
"If you are in doubt about it, bring a chapter like it."
[Noble Quran 2:23]
And Allah challenges us with:
Bring ten chapters like it.
[Noble Quran 11:13]
And finally:
Bring one chapter like it.
[Noble Quran 10:38].
Do you not know your history mate? Prophet Muhammad did not know how to write. How the hell would he have written it. Sadly, you can not read arabic, but it is no kind of normal writing any human can write, I swear. It is unbelievably poetic, like a poem, very beautiful.
It is not the "same" when you read it in english.
It is not the "same" when you read it in english.
Mate you think everything in your little world must be perfect ? There is no such thing as eternal good. Not in this world atleast. People have their ups and downs, but you can't blame it on god.
If you wan't him to interfere every minute something happens, what is the reason we were created?
Exactly! Who gives a fuck about any of this?! Why do people get angry about other people's beliefs or lack there of? It's not like it matters to your life.
If God really exists, then this guy is trying to save you.Exactly! Who gives a fuck about any of this?! Why do people get angry about other people's beliefs or lack there of? It's not like it matters to your life.
And you don't give a ****...
If you want an exact on how every verse is misinterpreted then you wont find any as no one has the time to go over every single one and prove that they are misinterpreted. If you disagree then i cant do much other than say they are misinterpreted. Maybe one day i'll debunk each and every single one. Maybe that'll quench you thirst since trust is obviously out of the question.
Also this book is poetry its not meant to be exact to the point as science isnt the point of this book. It can be considered proof of god's existence as he knew and wrote things that were millennia ahead of its time. What better explanation is there? chance? a grenius of there time? No. There's no way this genius could have existed, unless of course they had space satellites back then?
seems a guy spent some time debunking a few:http://quranscientificerror.blogspot.co.uk/
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What if one of the infinite other possible deities is real and he smites everyone who believes in false gods? What then? Pascal's Wager is shit as there is an infinite number of possible deities with just as much probability to exist as the Abrahamic god. One of infinity converges to zero, so that's a losing bet. In a race with infinite horses you've only been given third-hand information on, your money's safer in your pocket than on one of horses.
Absence of an alternative explanation is not evidence for another. In addition, there is no specific science in the Quran that wasn't known for the time, and there are plenty of errors in the Quran that cannot be attributed to mistranslation or misinterpretation.
It's cherry-picking at its finest to say, "All these things that I don't like are misinterpretations," and, "All these things I do like are not misinterpretations." If something in the Quran cannot stand alone as a scientific fact, then it's not any sort of specific science with explanatory power. Instead, you are in hindsight taking the actual science and applying it to vague passages in the Quran. If the Quran is so insightful and so full of science ahead of its time, why didn't we know these scientific facts until after the actual science came out?
The idea that the Quran is the greatest piece of scientific literature is bologna that has been debunked over and over again.
No, there is no absolute good but god does not fit in good of any relativity.
How do you know he is the creator beside some holy book?
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All so Christian don't do drug, don't kill, have lots of patient, treat everyone kindly.
Millions have died in his name for his holy war, Christian destory everything we feel good about, want the earth to be polluted and want to sacrifice the rest of the popilation to their god.
Sorry but I have a Logical, Rational, and Scientific way of thinking on this Subject. There are simply too many things wrong with the Bible and how it explains Events described in it. There are way too many things I can list. I believe everyone has a Right to believe how they want, just dont push your Beliefs onto others and/or try to force them to believe as you do. Keep it in Home and in Church.
Few Examples:
Adam and Eve were the 1st Humans on Earth right?????? No one else? They had 2 Sons. So how they continue on with Humanity?????? Gross.
Also, if they were the 1st Humans, what Race were they??????? If White, which if you look closely at the Bible, a great many are, or Middle Eastern, then where did Asians, Blacks, Hispanics come from then?????????
Also it is Scientifically impossible for just 2 People to start up the Human Race. You need anywhere from 30-50 Couples.
Next, the Great Flood. If Noah was commanded to gather 2 of each Animal on the Planet, then how was the Americas not discovered until 1492 and why did everyone still think the World was Flat???????????????? Not to mention, with the method of Travel back then, it would have taken Decades to accomplish the Task, and also for the World to Flood, it would have taken Centuries. Unless there was a Comet or Asteroid due to Impact the Earth, I highly doubt this happened.
Next, how old is the World/Galaxy/Universe??????? According to some Religious Groups, it is around 6-7000 Years old. Then why has there been proof of Carbon Dating showing Artifacts, Mummies, Dino's being around quite a few Million Years old??????
Also, there are those who believe Humans are the ONLY beings in the Universe, that we are God's Chosen. Really? With our Galaxy being an Estimated 70,000 Light Years, and so many Galaxies in our Universe, there is not a tiny bit of a possibility that there is other Life out there????????? Seems like a big waist of Space dont you think?????? It is highly likely, that there are many other forms of Life out there that have Evolved like Humans did on other Worlds. As old as the Universe is Estimated to be, there has to be TONS of other life out there, all having various differences in Appearance.
Oh and another reason why I cant agree with Religion: At some point, way back when, according to the Bible, if you went to another Land, and those People did not answer correctly to the God or Bible Question, then you were commanded to kill them all. Really??????? Doesnt matter if they live Peacefully, try to help others or try to make a better way of Life????? Just because they do not follow what you do, that is reason enough to murder innocent Men, Women and Children huh? Oh and also make Slaves out of them???????????
Few Examples:
Adam and Eve were the 1st Humans on Earth right?????? No one else? They had 2 Sons. So how they continue on with Humanity?????? Gross.
Also, if they were the 1st Humans, what Race were they??????? If White, which if you look closely at the Bible, a great many are, or Middle Eastern, then where did Asians, Blacks, Hispanics come from then?????????
Also it is Scientifically impossible for just 2 People to start up the Human Race. You need anywhere from 30-50 Couples.
Next, the Great Flood. If Noah was commanded to gather 2 of each Animal on the Planet, then how was the Americas not discovered until 1492 and why did everyone still think the World was Flat???????????????? Not to mention, with the method of Travel back then, it would have taken Decades to accomplish the Task, and also for the World to Flood, it would have taken Centuries. Unless there was a Comet or Asteroid due to Impact the Earth, I highly doubt this happened.
Next, how old is the World/Galaxy/Universe??????? According to some Religious Groups, it is around 6-7000 Years old. Then why has there been proof of Carbon Dating showing Artifacts, Mummies, Dino's being around quite a few Million Years old??????
Also, there are those who believe Humans are the ONLY beings in the Universe, that we are God's Chosen. Really? With our Galaxy being an Estimated 70,000 Light Years, and so many Galaxies in our Universe, there is not a tiny bit of a possibility that there is other Life out there????????? Seems like a big waist of Space dont you think?????? It is highly likely, that there are many other forms of Life out there that have Evolved like Humans did on other Worlds. As old as the Universe is Estimated to be, there has to be TONS of other life out there, all having various differences in Appearance.
Oh and another reason why I cant agree with Religion: At some point, way back when, according to the Bible, if you went to another Land, and those People did not answer correctly to the God or Bible Question, then you were commanded to kill them all. Really??????? Doesnt matter if they live Peacefully, try to help others or try to make a better way of Life????? Just because they do not follow what you do, that is reason enough to murder innocent Men, Women and Children huh? Oh and also make Slaves out of them???????????
There has been record of the great flood in Greek, which too wiped out most of the humans, various other similar myth and some manage to survive by digging thousands of miles long trenches so they simply stop at one point. Kind of wonder about ancient civilizations or if they are human level intelligence or higher beings that are not exactly human.
That's why someone need to get rid if him before his apocalypse really start. If it's some kind if invasion with lots of entities, over 99% of our weapons cannot hit intangible things. If it's some kind of great flood again, then well we are kind of screwed unless we can pull off similar things, which is currently impossible. Any way we need to get at least get some 200 hundered years more advanced in technology, hopefully that's a possibility.
Well I mean a World Wide Flood Even.
But also the other thought I had is, for those who say God Demands those who dont believe in him or the Bible be murdered, I highly doubt a Being would demand that unless from Alien Origin and is trying to dominate the World or Area.
But yeah there have been numerous Civilizations that have known about Astronomy, Biology, you name it. There was even something on a Show, forgot which one about there being a Map of the World including Antarctica when Free of Ice well before Explorers looked at the place. Also got to wonder about the Stories about Atlantis, Olympus, you name it.
But also the other thought I had is, for those who say God Demands those who dont believe in him or the Bible be murdered, I highly doubt a Being would demand that unless from Alien Origin and is trying to dominate the World or Area.
But yeah there have been numerous Civilizations that have known about Astronomy, Biology, you name it. There was even something on a Show, forgot which one about there being a Map of the World including Antarctica when Free of Ice well before Explorers looked at the place. Also got to wonder about the Stories about Atlantis, Olympus, you name it.
Something like that but it is more of a deity of alien origin than a race trying to conquir us. Trust me, aliens can at least be fight back, deities not so much.
I do believe in mysyicism, which in that regard this planet is already much more than we think, and not to mention potentially parallel universe, time, other universe like two lines in a R^n(>=3) space that is neither parallel or intersecting.Or spaces that have a complete different point of origin and completely seperated.
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