Hardware PSA: Gateway Is Making More Bricks

Olmectron · Dec 2, 2015

DayVeeBoi said:
i think I do recall maybe seeing "simulation" somewhere in their propaganda but I also knew that SuperCard is a pretty respected name as far as FlashCarts go, and I mean (in this forum even) people were all about it. I remember a thread every other day about the Supercard awesomeness lol. It makes me laugh because the people that were posting that they wished they didnt buy Gateway the week before the New SuperCard was announced, those are probably the same people throwing hate and personal attacks around now.

Oh. Yes. The SuperCard Team did a wonderful job with the original DSTwo for Nintendo DS/i. It was released early in the Nintendo DSi days, and it was nearly the only card that wasn't blocked through DSi FW updates or if blocked, the team released a patch a few hours later. That, and they had some amazing features that others didn't (Realtime cheat code generation, GBA emulation good but not perfect, for example).

Some people should have thought that they could have been able to exploit the latest firmware or something like that, because, come on, "it was the Supercard Team after all!". However, it all turned to be just a wishful thinking. They just ripped some launcher. They could have worked more on it, and even do their own Launcher so things like new "GW brickings" wasn't even a thing.

The sorrows and despair of the most loyal ones is all what's left.

DayVeeBoi · Dec 2, 2015

gamesquest1 said:
yeah before this supercard were well respected for one reason, they made their won shiz that was different, thats why this cloning crap came as such a shock to many, its like some famous artist getting caught out passing off painting by numbers as their own work

Yeah don't get me wrong. I'm not endorsing their flawed model. You know where I am coming from, I just think it's dumb for the thread to turn into a circle jerk of hating on one company or the other. The thread is titled "PSA, gateway causing bricks" then the first post is a brick count (that hasn't changed since it was written) and then there's one single post in the whole thread of someone who actually claimed that it happened to him, and his post says he was using a Gateway card when it happened. Then the rest of the posts are just people shitting on one card or the other. Really the thread should probably be locked but it's the most active thread concerning this, so where would anyone who actually has a brick go to report it if this one is locked?

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Has anybody here cracked open a DStwo+ yet? anybody know what kinda chips are in it? Is it FPGA?

gamesquest1 · Dec 2, 2015

DayVeeBoi said:
Yeah don't get me wrong. I'm not endorsing their flawed model. You know where I am coming from, I just think it's dumb for the thread to turn into a circle jerk of hating on one company or the other. The thread is titled "PSA, gateway causing bricks" then the first post is a brick count (that hasn't changed since it was written) and then there's one single post in the whole thread of someone who actually claimed that it happened to him, and his post says he was using a Gateway card when it happened. Then the rest of the posts are just people shitting on one card or the other. Really the thread should probably be locked but it's the most active thread concerning this, so where would anyone who actually has a brick go to report it if this one is locked?

well there is 3 "claims" but no definitive proof, no devs capable of figuring out the GW launcher are even looking at the latest GW FW's any more afaik, everything they had to learn from it has already been learnt so i doubt we will have any more "dissections" for proof, which leaves it down to end users or supercard to figure it out, and i doubt supercard will ever say "oh yeah gateway royally caught us off guard and as long as we keep copying we will always be susceptible to the same tactics" they are more likely to just try brush it under the rug and try come up with a 1.0.5 plugin and hope for the best

as i said previously "only a few people have said it" isn't enough to conclude its fake, yeah it looks a little suspect, but this is how the original bricks started, not to mention more people probably opt for CFW over flashcards now days and a large majority of DSTWO+ users were already suspicious of this latest update (judging from the "who dares test the latest GW FW on Dstwo" threads that were popping up with the release of 3.5.0 with its subtle warning), which probably left the pool of potential victims very small compared to the 3DSlink/R4GD/orange 3DS brickathon

Deleted User · Dec 2, 2015

DayVeeBoi said:
... and his post says he was using a Gateway card when it happened.

That guy's english wasn't great. But he edited his post and it clearly says now he used his DSTWO+ card when it showed a white screen and on reboot it was bricked.

Brick count with DSTWO+: 2
Brick count with GW: 0

Deleted-236924 · Dec 2, 2015

json said:
That guy's english wasn't great. But he edited his post and it clearly says now he used his DSTWO+ card when it showed a white screen and on reboot it was bricked.

Brick count with DSTWO+: 2
Brick count with GW: 0

They didn't edit any post, though.
They posted two posts which both gave different stories.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/i-think-the-dstwo-plus-bricked-my-3ds-xl.404499/

and

https://gbatemp.net/threads/psa-gateway-is-making-more-bricks.404505/page-7#post-5837074

DayVeeBoi · Dec 2, 2015

gamesquest1 said:
well there is 3 "claims" but no definitive proof, no devs capable of figuring out the GW launcher are even looking at the latest GW FW's any more afaik, everything they had to learn from it has already been learnt so i doubt we will have any more "dissections" for proof, which leaves it down to end users or supercard to figure it out, and i doubt supercard will ever say "oh yeah gateway royally caught us off guard and as long as we keep copying we will always be susceptible to the same tactics" they are more likely to just try brush it under the rug and try come up with a 1.0.5 plugin and hope for the best

as i said previously "only a few people have said it isnt enough to conclude its fake, yeah it looks a little suspect, but this is how the original bricks started, not to mention more people probably opt for CFW oer flashcards now days and a large majority of DSTWO+ users were already suspicious of this latest update probably left the pool of potential victims very small compared to the 3DSlink/R4GD/orange 3DS brickathon

Honestly all I want is for whoever is saying they got bricked to come on here and tell me what they were doing when it happened. Then I will try that, but if its like they were like sitting there trying to cause their console to break, I dont see how thats eveidence of anything but doing something with a device that was never meant to happen. Ive been using the shit outta mine AND I had the newest firmware on it from the day it got posted, I was the one that posted it was available here and not an issue. I dont know what more I could do with the thing that wouldnt be outside of normal use. I even told you I ran the diagnostic a few times and nothing happened. Whats it going to take to prove it or disprove it? I mean is that even possible for it to be definitive? Like yeah maybe running the diagnostic continually will blow shit up, but maybe thats cuz it stressed the chip. I also heard that you can break an actual gateway that way as well. I should probably just give up in this thread right? I am not gaining anything from it, I just want everyone to see it from all perspectives, not just the perspective of whoever yells loudest and most. I think thats getting more and more unrealistic.

gamesquest1 · Dec 2, 2015

DayVeeBoi said:
Honestly all I want is for whoever is saying they got bricked to come on here and tell me what they were doing when it happened. Then I will try that, but if its like they were like sitting there trying to cause their console to break, I dont see how thats eveidence of anything but doing something with a device that was never meant to happen. Ive been using the shit outta mine AND I had the newest firmware on it from the day it got posted, I was the one that posted it was available here and not an issue. I dont know what more I could do with the thing that wouldnt be outside of normal use. I even told you I ran the diagnostic a few times and nothing happened. Whats it going to take to prove it or disprove it? I mean is that even possible for it to be definitive? Like yeah maybe running the diagnostic continually will blow shit up, but maybe thats cuz it stressed the chip. I also heard that you can break an actual gateway that way as well. I should probably just give up in this thread right? I am not gaining anything from it, I just want everyone to see it from all perspectives, not just the perspective of whoever yells loudest and most. I think thats getting more and more unrealistic.

yeah again short of gateway saying there is no brick code (which everyone would say was lies) or supercard saying there is no brick code (which everyone will say is lies) or end users reporting it (which some people will say is lies)......basically the only way anyone can prove anything like this is to get bricked themselves or get genius RE'ing skills and fully disassemble the GW launcher......and even then people would probably still say you are lying XD

basically if people think other people are lying, those people should stick to 1.0.4 and 3.5.1 and the longer you use it the more likely it is the original reports were fake, and it also means that there is potentially more people to end up brick to help substantiate the side of "DSTWO bricked my 3DS"......(or GATEWAY BRICKED MY 3DS) whatever side of the argument floats your boat

andre104623 · Dec 2, 2015

Look gateway said there are flaws in the plugin and that you dstwo users have been warned then people started to have bricks while using 3.5.1 gw launcher what more fucking proof do you guys need. He even posted a pic showing his nand is locked so whats the problem here are you guys in denial wake up people this isnt the first time brickway hit

DayVeeBoi · Dec 2, 2015

gamesquest1 said:
yeah again short of gateway saying there is no brick code (which everyone would say was lies) or supercard saying there is no brick code (which everyone will say is lies) or end users reporting it (which some people will say is lies)......basically the only way anyone can prove anything like this is to get bricked themselves or get genius RE'ing skills and fully disassemble the GW launcher......and even then people would probably still say you are lying XD

Yeah, know what bro you're right. Im done in here. I got people attacking me personally now. I guess I am hurting feels lol. I care way more about RxTools anyways. Can you do me a favor, if you keep following in here and anything exciting or relevant comes up like any of guys with bricked consoles make an appearance could you PM me, you or just anyone here. Thanks guys.

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andre104623 said:
Look gateway said there are flaws in the plugin and that you dstwo users have been warned then people started to have bricks while using 3.5.1 gw launcher what more fucking proof do you guys need. He even posted a pic showing his nand is locked so whats the problem here are you guys in denial wake up people this isnt the first time brickway hit

Better hope you dont get this guy on your jury lol

SirByte · Dec 2, 2015

Olmectron said:
Let's just everyone wait for December 25th and the massive number of reports that will be posted by then.

I seem to remember that the 2.0b2 brick code also triggered after a certain date, so maybe you are on to something. According to @profi200 the ones that had the decrypted code included Yellows8, neimod and Normatt so maybe any of those can comment on it.

hundshamer · Dec 2, 2015

andre104623 said:
Look gateway said there are flaws in the plugin and that you dstwo users have been warned then people started to have bricks while using 3.5.1 gw launcher what more fucking proof do you guys need. He even posted a pic showing his nand is locked so whats the problem here are you guys in denial wake up people this isnt the first time brickway hit

Granted he posted his NAND lock, but for all we know he used a clone to get the screen. It's not hard to do for a member of the GW team. For all we know he pulled the image from google. Short of a video, or a member with a half way decent reputation I personally will be a bit skeptical. That's not to call it fake or real. It's just my opinion until I get to test for myself, or hear from someone I feel is trustworthy of a report either way.

Olmectron · Dec 2, 2015

SirByte said:
I seem to remember that the 2.0b2 brick code also triggered after a certain date, so maybe you are on to something. According to @profi200 the ones that had the decrypted code included Yellows8, neimod and Normatt so maybe any of those can comment on it.

That would be really cruel. Time bombs were really bad back in the Win98 days.

aos10 · Dec 2, 2015

Wait, what if i used my normal dstwo that only play ds games?

Olmectron · Dec 2, 2015

aos10 said:
Wait, what if i used my normal dstwo that only play ds games?

It shouldn't be able to launch the Gateway simulator. So, ther's no problem at all.

ken28 · Dec 2, 2015

Wekker said:
Their way:
1. Brick a user's console.
2. That user will hate other flashcarts.
3. That user will buy a new console.
4. That user will buy a flashcart from this company.
5. Profit!

Or

Your way:
1. Reboot user's console all the time.
2. That user will hate other flashcarts.
3. That user will buy a flashcart from this company.
4. Profit!

Maybe they have a contract with nintendo. They ignore them when they make sure that people buy more consoles xD

Ericzander · Dec 2, 2015

There are a lot of Gateway defenders here. They implemented the brick code to protect their IP? Their product is literally 100% about stealing video games. Don't give me that crap that it's about "backing up" games that you already own. You know, I know, we all know that it's all about piracy. It's extremely ironic to say that they have a right to profit off of piracy but nobody has a right to profit off of them. The only "flaw" in the DStwo+ that Gateway says may cause bricks is the fact that it isn't a Gateway and they don't like that.

People who are 9.2 or below... Do yourselves a favor and get RxTools or another CFW. That's how you get your free games without risking these bastards from destroying your hardware. Bash on DStwo+ all you want for being a clone, yadayada. As long as you also realize that they aren't the only ones at fault.

There was a (kind of broken) example early in the thread that says you wouldn't blame a gun seller for selling you a gun that you use to shoot yourself. Well, if the gun automatically shoots you if you load it with third party bullets as a way to get you to use their bullets, then yes I would blame the gun seller.

gamesquest1 · Dec 2, 2015

Ericzander said:
There are a lot of Gateway defenders here. They implemented the brick code to protect their IP? Their product is literally 100% about stealing video games. Don't give me that crap that it's about "backing up" games that you already own. You know, I know, we all know that it's all about piracy. It's extremely ironic to say that they have a right to profit off of piracy but nobody has a right to profit off of them. The only "flaw" in the DStwo+ that Gateway says may cause bricks is the fact that it isn't a Gateway and they don't like that.

People who are 9.2 or below... Do yourselves a favor and get RxTools or another CFW. That's how you get your free games without risking these bastards from destroying your hardware. Bash on DStwo+ all you want for being a clone, yadayada. As long as you also realize that they aren't the only ones at fault.

There was a (kind of broken) example early in the thread that says you wouldn't blame a gun seller for selling you a gun that you use to shoot yourself. Well, if the gun automatically shoots you if you load it with third party bullets as a way to get you to use their bullets, then yes I would blame the gun seller.

no but the thing is if i made a gun and then specifically made it only work with bullet that kill their users despite me already knowing that fact you can't say im innocent in that mess, sure they guy making the bullets is a obviously a bit crazy, but as a gun manufacture its also on me to make sure my gun does not accommodate those third party bullets that are known to kill users of my guns, and i certainly shouldn't be shipping a gun with a free box of well known self destructing bullets and advertising that my gun will ONLY accommodate those bullets and not mention that even though they fit there is a chance they will backfire and kill you

again not saying gateways choice is right, but we can't honestly sit there and pretend supercard are just innocent bystanders, they chose to provide dodgy knockoff bullets because it was cheaper for them, they didn't care about their users and didn't care if gateway bricked their users consoles

andre104623 · Dec 2, 2015

My friend called me last night saying that his o3ds xl got BSOD and he has a DSTWO+ though I cant comfirm what happend becuase I dont have the 3ds on hand and only talked to him for a few minutes he did get the card 2 weeks ago and downloaded the launcher from gateways site so he could try out the cheats. I will be fixing this for him so I wanted to ask can you just flash the sysnand back and it will be fine or you must use a raspberry pi model b which I do own just need to find it. Im in the ER right now hopefully i can solder this with only one hand since my left arm has pins sticking out of it

gamesquest1 · Dec 2, 2015

andre104623 said:
My friend called me last night saying that his o3ds xl got BSOD and he has a DSTWO+ though I cant comfirm what happend becuase I dont have the 3ds on hand and only talked to him for a few minutes he did get the card 2 weeks ago and downloaded the launcher from gateways site so he could try out the cheats. I will be fixing this for him so I wanted to ask can you just flash the sysnand back and it will be fine or you must use a raspberry pi model b which I do own just need to find it. Im in the ER right now hopefully i can solder this with only one hand since my left arm has pins sticking out of it

if its a brick code brick you would need a raspberry pi to unbrick it, and you need a model A or B specifically, not a A+/B+ or 2.....or you can use a arduino but imho a raspberry pi is the easiest route

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Gateway's point of view:

Step 1. Losing sales because of CFW
Step 2. Losing sales because of Sky3ds
Step 3. Losing sales because of DSTWO+

Step 4. Go out with a bang, because soon, there will be no more sales

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