Question How will gbatemp handle links to shops that sell pirated firmware

[notimp]

So TX' "firmware SKU" is literally pirated Nintendo firmware, modified with its own DRM layer, then sold in stores. Which are linked in here.

Is the "I'm just buying the license for that firmware in those stores" argument enough to freely link to stores selling pirated firmware?

You know - details...

Should we report those links. Should we pretend, they arent what they are?

Should we only ignore those of them that allow paypal?

 

[TheCyberQuake]

So to clarify. TX's product copies the official Switch nand to an sdcard, then boots it from there, then connects you to Nintendos servers to update the emunand firmware - than applies patches to it to be able to run unsigned code?

Isn't there a high ban risk, once you connect to Nintendos Servers with firmware running from an emunand partition?

And this is essential for the TX product to be able to run the most recent games?

Please clarify.

That's literally exactly what atmosphere will be doing. Do you know nothing about cfw?

 

[notimp]

It's a flawed assumption to make though. Based on past CFWs there's really no reason to assume this is how it'd work. It's clear OP just didn't get how it worked. on the off chance that If in future it does turn out that it does contain nintendo's code then it'll be dealt with then. There's no point even discussing this atm really.

I'm not setteling for this - as long as TX is selling an OS to consumers, and the only OS visible in their promo video sports the Nintendo boot logo.

Either this is false advertising.

Or they are selling a pirated and modified OS.

 

[Duhasst0]

Honestly, selling the is, to me, would be like selling you their coolrunner or cr3 pro or the instructions to jtag a xenon with blades dash.

It would also makes me feel better if TX WE would come out and say one way or the other or to at least give the software or like they used to, you know with links and stuff.

 

[MHDestination]

So to clarify. TX's product copies the official Switch nand to an sdcard, then boots it from there, then connects you to Nintendos servers to update the emunand firmware - than applies patches to it to be able to run unsigned code?

Isn't there a high ban risk, once you connect to Nintendos Servers with firmware running from an emunand partition?

And this is essential for the TX product to be able to run the most recent games?

Please clarify.

Now you got it!
But we don't know if the system got copied to sd. They might just apply the patches while reading from emmc.

Yes, there is a high ban risk!

 

[TheCyberQuake]

I'm not setteling for this - as long as TX is selling an OS to consumers, and the only OS visible in their promo video sports the Nintendo boot logo.

Either this is false advertising.

Or they are selling a pirated and modified OS.

It is technically a basic OS at the initial boot with the dongle with that menu, which then loads into cfw.

 

[tinkle]

This is clearly a troll thread, complete with sock puppets. Shut it down y'all <3

 

[TheCyberQuake]

This is clearly a troll thread, complete with sock puppets. Shut it down y'all <3

Knowing notimp, it's not a troll thread, even if i would want it to be.

 

[EclipseSin]

@everyone Just abort. This person clearly cannot understand the concepts or information that has been explained to them. You can find this one's fruitless and ignorant crusade throughout this forum. Check out their postings. This person needs to do more studying before posting on anything.

 

[notimp]

That's literally exactly what atmosphere will be doing. Do you know nothing about cfw?

So there is a ban risk every time you try to update your emunand. And there are no contingencies, for what happens if Nintendo creates firmwares that do timing checks before applying system updates to the emunand?

 

[MHDestination]

Or they are selling a pirated and modified OS.

modified: yes
pirated: no

They are selling the software that patches/copies the os on your device. But not the OS itself.

 

[smf]

It's a flawed assumption to make though. Based on past CFWs there's really no reason to assume this is how it'd work. It's clear OP just didn't get how it worked. on the off chance that If in future it does turn out that it does contain nintendo's code then it'll be dealt with then. There's no point even discussing this atm really.

I believe Windows <= 3.11 was referred to as a graphical operating system, it needed to boot on top of a disk operating system.

TX OS could mean anything.

 

[longxa762]

He just hated TX and their product so he is trying to find a way to ban them from here

 

[notimp]

@everyone Just abort. This person clearly cannot understand the concepts or information that has been explained to them. You can find this one's fruitless and ignorant crusade throughout this forum. Check out their postings. This person needs to do more studying before posting on anything.

People are "countering" the arguments in here with "unreleased information".

Also the main argument still stands, TX' is selling an OS - not an OS patcher.

They'd have to change their marketing, if they do.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

So there is a ban risk every time you try to update your emunand. And there are no contingencies, for what happens if Nintendo creates firmwares that do timing checks before applying system updates to the emunand?

No, the patches are loaded at boot as part of the cfw loading process. Updating wouldn't be more likely to ban than just generally using the cfw.
That's how pretty much all cfw work.

 

[EclipseSin]

People are "countering" the arguments in here with "unreleased information".

Also the main argument still stands, TX' is selling an OS - not an OS patcher.

They'd have to change their marketing, if they do.

I got matches, don't quote me like that.

 

[ChaosInJapan]

So to clarify. TX's product copies the official Switch nand to an sdcard, then boots it from there, then connects you to Nintendos servers to update the emunand firmware - than applies patches to it to be able to run unsigned code?

Isn't there a high ban risk, once you connect to Nintendos Servers with firmware running from an emunand partition?

And this is essential for the TX product to be able to run the most recent games?

Please clarify.

What? What???
No, that's not how it works (as of now) AT ALL.
Also, the exploit works on all firmwares and it's unpatchable so there's no point on having EmuNand. If there is any trouble you can simply restore a NAND backup.
About running newer games on older firmwares, either:

A) Unless the game needs libraries found on newer firmwares, the system will be able to run it. Simply by ignoring the "firmware version required" message.
B) You will have to update to the latest firmware version, which won't be troublesome since the exploit works on every firmware.

 

[linuxares]

If there is any trouble you can simply restore a NAND backup.

I'm curious about this one. Because if you restore a NAND Backup with firmware 4.1 but you played on firmware 5.0. You risk a kernel panic since the fuses doesn't match up. I guess it's someway to hack that as well or tell that this is a legit firwmare because fuses XYZ are blown. Never the less, off-topic.

Leaves again.

 

[MHDestination]

People are "countering" the arguments in here with "unreleased information".

Also the main argument still stands, TX' is selling an OS - not an OS patcher.

They'd have to change their marketing, if they do.

Yeah, and microsoft is actually selling Windows, not an OS ....
Otherwise they would have named it that way....

 

[smf]

Also the main argument still stands, TX' is selling an OS - not an OS patcher.

It appears to me that they are selling an OS that then loads the Nintendo switch OS and patches it.

I'm curious about this one. Because if you restore a NAND Backup with firmware 4.1 but you played on firmware 5.0. You risk a kernel panic since the fuses doesn't match up. I guess it's someway to hack that as well or tell that this is a legit firwmare because fuses XYZ are blown. Never the less, off-topic.

Leaves again.

If you're doing emunand then the first patch you'll apply is the fuse check/burning. Although we don't know yet if TX are doing emunand. They might just say to update your sysnand to the latest as it will still work & why do you then need to downgrade?

 

[notimp]

Now you got it!
But we don't know if the system got copied to sd. They might just apply the patches while reading from emmc.

Yes, there is a high ban risk!

Not possible.

The main point is - "how will people get current firmwares". This also relates to the question of is TX' selling an OS?

If people are on a low firmware - this firmware can either be copied into emunand, and then updated.
Or updated in place (potentially blowing efuses), and then copied.

They can't apply "just patches" to something that isn't on your Switch. So "where does the current Firmware come from" has become something of an important question.