Hacking Gateway 3ds: A9LH, Downgrade, Release Planned on May 22nd

[mathieulh]

On top of this, there's no official way to run your arm9 code if you install their a9lh. Your 3ds is locked to GW (until people manage to make custom .dats).

Pretty much, this only brings fragmentation, not to mention that it is trivial to follow their install process, dump FIRM0 (using a hardmod if they blocked FIRM partition reads), reverse their botched implementation/encryption/obfuscation and make our own arm9loaderhax.bin which decrypts and runs their payload from the launcher.dat file...

 

[Davidosky99]

I am still on 4.5 Sysnand and I use MSET to boot Gateway mode. DS games works on Sysnand, everything else I have ever tried works on my up-to-date Emunand. I never had any issues. Why should I mess with something that works?

because it's outdated, unreliable, slow(menuhax bootrate/mset bootrate) , playing online, gba and dsi cias support, drm, as well as being able to boot in cfw with the latest system version. benefits of a9lh+cfw(luma3ds for example)

 

[Arck]

NTR CFW is dead since 11.0

 

[solress]

umm... but I'm using an o3ds. Guess I need to format emunand. and then I'll feel silly if it works. But first... I need to fix my SD. Accidentally flashed a nand backup to it. Didn't pay attention to what Image Writer was pointing to. Thank goodness I'm OCD about backups

From normal CFW we have clearly learned that downgrading from 9.2 is practically impossible for most people, which is why plailect included to update the emuNAND

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NTR CFW is dead since 11.0

No it isn't, it can still run by using an older firmware.bin to restore svcbackdoor

 

[Davidosky99]

NTR CFW is dead since 11.0

umm, no, it's not. you can still use ntr with luma3ds

 

[mathieulh]

Gateway should just document the red card support so it can be implemented into existing custom firmware, this wouldn't hurt their sales (quite the contrary), I don't know why they haven't done that...
If they don't, sceners will eventually reverse it and do it themselves (and get access to their own patches at the same time).

 

[CrispyYoshi]

I have nothing against gateway as a CFW or its user base. My issue lies in the business and it's shady practice. There isn't much of a reason for newcomers to buy the card anymore. I'm not here to "convert" like the fanboys claim. I'm just over people defending their form of drm. It's drives me crazy.

Yeah, the DRM thing is really silly, but arguing about it is pointless: They're a company directly supporting piracy, so pretty much anything ethics-related already went out the window.

I really wish they'd open-source their stuff, but that'd be asking too much. Semi-unrelated, but I do feel like a streamlined program to automatically do all the steps of the Plailect guide would be really nice to have, though. I like how Gateway tried to do that (minus the removal of credits/risky process), but it would be nice if we could have a free alternative to make the guide less daunting to follow.

 

[Davidosky99]

Gateway should just document the red card support so it can be implemented into existing custom firmware, this wouldn't hurt their sales (quite the contrary), I don't know why they haven't done that...
If they don't, sceners will eventually reverse it and do it themselves (and get access to their own patches at the same time).

but they will not. you know why? because they don't care, ever cared or will ever care about their customers

 

[solress]

Gateway should just document the red card support so it can be implemented into existing custom firmware, this wouldn't hurt their sales (quite the contrary), I don't know why they haven't done that...
If they don't, sceners will eventually reverse it and do it themselves (and get access to their own patches at the same time).

Because GW doesn't like being useful to it's customers anymore it seems like. They try to do the last few grabs to new customers, but are slowly crippling themselves.

 

[Mega-Mew]

Downgrade 9.4 -> 2.1 using the Gateway Time Machine seem like to work.

 

[sj33]

I have right here,on my O3DS XL the GW red card and i will say it one or thousand times: if they do that bullshit,i will be moving to Luma.

You don't have to. You can feel free to stay where you are if your existing setup works for you. It's not mandatory to follow the trends.

Things do progress, however. I remember having an early modded PS2 which was a modchip which ad to be used in tandem with a boot disc. It was annoying, but it worked fine, did the job. Eventually, I installed a DMS 4 Pro modchip in the thing. Why? My existing mod setup loaded everything fine. But the new modchip was simply better as a modification, made everything simpler and was more 'transparent'. It was a clear marked upgrade in the modification setup.

And the 3DS scene has been progressing at a blistering rate.

 

[Davidosky99]

Yeah, the DRM thing is really silly, but arguing about it is pointless: They're a company directly supporting piracy, so pretty much anything ethics-related already went out the window.

I really wish they'd open-source their stuff, but that'd be asking too much. Semi-unrelated, but I do feel like a streamlined program to automatically do all the steps of the Plailect guide would be really nice to have, though. I like how Gateway tried to do that (minus the removal of credits/risky process), but it would be nice if we could have a free alternative to make the guide less daunting to follow.

Spoiler: Plagirising

 

[osm70]

because it's outdated, unreliable, slow(menuhax bootrate/mset bootrate) , playing online, gba and dsi cias support, drm, as well as being able to boot in cfw with the latest system version. benefits of a9lh+cfw(luma3ds for example)

Outdated - but still working
unreliable - I never had any issues, it booted on the first try every time
slow - 5 clicks and 10 seconds - spending few hours installing something else is not worth it, and using .3ds is faster than installing .cia
playing online - I can do that
GBA and DSi - works in GW mode Sysnand
DRM - Why do I care? I have the card, so it doesn't matter to me
latest system version - I have emunand on the latest version with no issues

NTR CFW is dead since 11.0

NTR works for me. (GW Emunand 11.0)

 

[CrispyYoshi]

Gateway should just document the red card support so it can be implemented into existing custom firmware, this wouldn't hurt their sales (quite the contrary), I don't know why they haven't done that...If they don't, sceners will eventually reverse it and do it themselves (and get access to their own patches at the same time).

I think it's more because the "imitators" will try to make hardware that does the same thing without the brick code, like the DSTWO+ and Bluecard 3DS.

 

[sj33]

NTR works for me. (GW Emunand 11.0)

It only works because Gateway are still using an old version of NATIVE_FIRM, to be fair.

 

[astronautlevel]

I think it's more because the "imitators" will try to make hardware that does the same thing without the brick code, like the DSTWO+ and Bluecard 3DS.

Only thing GW has worthwhile to me that can be RE'd is cheat support.

 

[Kioku]

Yeah, the DRM thing is really silly, but arguing about it is pointless: They're a company directly supporting piracy, so pretty much anything ethics-related already went out the window.

I really wish they'd open-source their stuff, but that'd be asking too much. Semi-unrelated, but I do feel like a streamlined program to automatically do all the steps of the Plailect guide would be really nice to have, though. I like how Gateway tried to do that (minus the removal of credits/risky process), but it would be nice if we could have a free alternative to make the guide less daunting to follow.

Its not even ethics related. It's the hindrance it has on the growth of the scene. To try and lock everything down to the plastic cart is pretty silly. You're right, though. Its a pointless topic of debate.

Still, I wonder if someone will circumvent this with a custom bin of sorts.

As for the guide? I agree. A more streamlined process is necessary as it seems like a daunting task. The words and big paragraphs make it seem scarier than it is, though.

 

[VeryCrushed]

I have nothing against gateway as a CFW or its user base. My issue lies in the business and it's shady practice. There isn't much of a reason for newcomers to buy the card anymore. I'm not here to "convert" like the fanboys claim. I'm just over people defending their form of drm. It's drives me crazy.

Ironic how most people pirate games here and were talking about a company with shady practices.

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[astronautlevel]

Its not even ethics related. It's the hindrance it has on the growth of the scene. To try and lock everything down to the plastic cart is pretty silly. You're right, though. Its a pointless topic of debate.

Still, I wonder if someone will circumvent this with a custom bin of sorts.

As for the guide? I agree. A more streamlined process is necessary as it seems like a daunting task. The words and big paragraphs make it seem scarier than it is, though.

People made custom Launcher.dats for the GW web exploit so it's possible we'll see custom payloads for GW's implementation...

 

[Davidosky99]

Outdated - but still working
unreliable - I never had any issues, it booted on the first try every time
slow - 5 clicks and 10 seconds - spending few hours installing something else is not worth it, and using .3ds is faster than installing .cia
playing online - I can do that
GBA and DSi - works in GW mode Sysnand
DRM - Why do I care? I have the card, so it doesn't matter to me
latest system version - I have emunand on the latest version with no issues

NTR works for me. (GW Emunand 11.0)

damn, you sure do love to wait and hard work, when you could just have a 2 second boot time, brick protection and the use of an updated sysnand, with your game slot free(to put maybe a ds flashcard in there)... but it's your choice. if you like to be a masochist, it's your choice.