Hacking Wii U Hacking & Homebrew Discussion

[duffmmann]

part of the gamepad is a controller . another part of it is a screen , and another part of it is tied to the wiiu , it isnt just a controller it carries a feature set integral to the wiiu's functionality.. part of that being a gamepad.. get it.?

Or you can simply look at it as a sophisticated controller, the screen being a part of the controller, and the fact that it's tied to your Wii U means little. The Wii U is capable of having two game pads linked to it, and you can turn on and navigate the Wii U without the game pad. Whoever said it was a necessity in the same way as a steering wheel is necessary for a car to drive was using a poor and incorrect analogy (though yes, there are a handfull of games you can't play without the controller, the vast majority of games have it strictly as optional).

A more apt analogy would be that the game pad is like cruise control in your car. A feature that comes built into your car, but you don't ever have to utilize it if you don't want to despite the benefits it does give you when driving.

 

[2Hack]

Or you can simply look at it as a sophisticated controller, the screen being a part of the controller, and the fact that it's tied to your Wii U means little. The Wii U is capable of having two game pads linked to it, and you can turn on and navigate the Wii U without the game pad. Whoever said it was a necessity in the same way as a steering wheel is necessary for a car to drive was using a poor and incorrect analogy (though yes, there are a handfull of games you can't play without the controller, the vast majority of games have it strictly as optional).

A more apt analogy would be that the game pad is like cruise control in your car. A feature that comes built into your car, but you don't ever have to utilize it if you don't want to despite the benefits it does give you when driving.

You need it to operate the system settings app and to set up. It's relatively important to say the least.

 

[duffmmann]

You need it to operate the system settings app and to set up. It's relatively important to say the least.

I'm not disagreeing. But after your Wii U is up and running it is no longer necessary. I mean I think it's great, but I can bring my Wii U to my friends place, leave the game pad at home and only bring pro controllers and we can get the system up and running, playing Smash without the game pad, without any issue.

 

[AboodXD]

Whoever said it was a necessity in the same way as a steering wheel is necessary for a car to drive was using a poor and incorrect analogy

I wasn't.

 

[duffmmann]

I wasn't.

No I know, it was someone else a page or two back.

 

[thorasgar]

Or you can simply look at it as a sophisticated controller, the screen being a part of the controller, and the fact that it's tied to your Wii U means little. The Wii U is capable of having two game pads linked to it, and you can turn on and navigate the Wii U without the game pad. Whoever said it was a necessity in the same way as a steering wheel is necessary for a car to drive was using a poor and incorrect analogy (though yes, there are a handfull of games you can't play without the controller, the vast majority of games have it strictly as optional).

A more apt analogy would be that the game pad is like cruise control in your car. A feature that comes built into your car, but you don't ever have to utilize it if you don't want to despite the benefits it does give you when driving.

Hold on here. Is it really capable of having two gamepads linked to it? Has that been proven in the wild? Nintendo said it is but then does not sell stand alone gamepads and the system software does not seem to have multi gamepad support,

When I first looked into the system I could just not wrap my brain around the idea of it having a gamepad that one lucky user (or unlucky) would use and the other players couldn't. That's just weird. One of the flagship titles MK8 does provide the gamepad user a advantage over all other players. They have a menu that shows the items each other racer has. That is a distinct advantage. So can I get a gamepad for the other racers? Nope. That is why I view it as a failed controller.

The gamepad not just necessary for system settings it is required for eshop and more importantly parental controls. Funny you could enter a code on the Wii with the Wiimote but can't use the WUPC on the Wii U.

 

[Sonto340]

Hold on here. Is it really capable of having two gamepads linked to it? Has that been proven in the wild? Nintendo said it is but then does not sell stand alone gamepads and the system software does not seem to have multi gamepad support,

When I first looked into the system I could just not wrap my brain around the idea of it having a gamepad that one lucky user (or unlucky) would use and the other players couldn't. That's just weird. One of the flagship titles MK8 does provide the gamepad user a advantage over all other players. They have a menu that shows the items each other racer has. That is a distinct advantage. So can I get a gamepad for the other racers? Nope. That is why I view it as a failed controller.

The gamepad not just necessary for system settings it is required for eshop and more importantly parental controls. Funny you could enter a code on the Wii with the Wiimote but can't use the WUPC on the Wii U.

Looking away from the screen in Mario kart 8 is not an advantage lol

 

[duffmmann]

Hold on here. Is it really capable of having two gamepads linked to it? Has that been proven in the wild? Nintendo said it is but then does not sell stand alone gamepads and the system software does not seem to have multi gamepad support,

When I first looked into the system I could just not wrap my brain around the idea of it having a gamepad that one lucky user (or unlucky) would use and the other players couldn't. That's just weird. One of the flagship titles MK8 does provide the gamepad user a advantage over all other players. They have a menu that shows the items each other racer has. That is a distinct advantage. So can I get a gamepad for the other racers? Nope. That is why I view it as a failed controller.

The gamepad not just necessary for system settings it is required for eshop and more importantly parental controls. Funny you could enter a code on the Wii with the Wiimote but can't use the WUPC on the Wii U.

Well I'm talking strictly from specs, two game pads supposedly is a feature, but I don't think Nintendo has yet had a great enough idea to justify selling individual game pads. They could do it right now, but I suspect if they ever utilize the feature it would have to be for a gaming experience that truly benefits greatly from it. Frankly, I suspect hackers will be the first to utilize the feature for home brew and emulators before Nintendo does with a specific game.

If someone thinks you have an unfair advantage with the game pad for a game like MK8, then don't use the game pad with them, level the playing field by using a pro controller if they truly think you have a better chance of winning. Though honestly, I've never felt I've had an advantage in MK8 when I use the gamepad, me and my buddy are pretty evenly matched, we beat each other pretty much 50/50, and honestly I've rarely bothered to look what other players have for items, what little advantage that gives me doesn't feel worth looking away from the main screen for.

As for those functions only accessible with the game pad, this is true, but Nintendo could patch this if they want, you don't need to access those features, and if it really bothers anyone to use the gamepad but find they want to change something in the settings or whatever, then suck it up, you'll only need to use the pad for a few minutes and can then go back to the controller you prefer. But I'm pretty sure you can navigate the eshop with a wiimote and maybe even the pro controller. Pretty sure the game pad isn't actually necessary there. Also lol, how are parental controls "more important"? Most of us do not utilize parental controls on our systems.

 

[AboodXD]

it is required for eshop

The E-shop can be controlled without the gamepad, duh.

 

[OriginalHamster]

Well, is not like you access to settings very often, do you?

 

[YugamiSekai]

I'm still waiting on dual-gamepad support Nintendo promised us. Maybe we have to make it ourselves...

 

[thorasgar]

The E-shop can be controlled without the gamepad, duh.

Not true. I just tried to purchase the smash mii fighter bundle. Gamepad Required.

Looking away from the screen in Mario kart 8 is not an advantage lol

Who said anything about looking away from the screen? It is right there on the GP screen right along with the race. My 9 year old doesn't look at the main screen just as Nintendo intended. I know I find it surprising but this is the iPhone/iPad generation and they have used these small screens since before they could read. They like the Wii U and new 3DS and all but nothing comes close to their hand-me-down iPhones.

Well I'm talking strictly from specs, two game pads supposedly is a feature, but I don't think Nintendo has yet had a great enough idea to justify selling individual game pads. They could do it right now, but I suspect if they ever utilize the feature it would have to be for a gaming experience that truly benefits greatly from it. Frankly, I suspect hackers will be the first to utilize the feature for home brew and emulators before Nintendo does with a specific game.

If someone thinks you have an unfair advantage with the game pad for a game like MK8, then don't use the game pad with them, level the playing field by using a pro controller if they truly think you have a better chance of winning. Though honestly, I've never felt I've had an advantage in MK8 when I use the gamepad, me and my buddy are pretty evenly matched, we beat each other pretty much 50/50, and honestly I've rarely bothered to look what other players have for items, what little advantage that gives me doesn't feel worth looking away from the main screen for.

As for those functions only accessible with the game pad, this is true, but Nintendo could patch this if they want, you don't need to access those features, and if it really bothers anyone to use the gamepad but find they want to change something in the settings or whatever, then suck it up, you'll only need to use the pad for a few minutes and can then go back to the controller you prefer. But I'm pretty sure you can navigate the eshop with a wiimote and maybe even the pro controller. Pretty sure the game pad isn't actually necessary there. Also lol, how are parental controls "more important"? Most of us do not utilize parental controls on our systems.

Try taking that GP away from a 9 year old. It may just be his experience orthe fact he is gifted but he is very, very good at strategizing item use in MK8. Let's take one example. Say you have triple shrooms and you were planning on saving them for those shortcuts 1/4 lap down the track. Then you see a racer just received the Lightning. Are you going to still hold them and likely loose them or blow them right now while you still can?

If you are not a parent I understand how parental controls are not important to you. Although I am not very concerned about them sticking in a rated M game as they know better, my main concern is making sure they don't play on my account and saves or change system settings. Can't enter passwords with a WUPC and there is no virtual keyboard on the big screen. (At least that I can find).

 

[Antonio Ricardo]

Not true. I just tried to purchase the smash mii fighter bundle. Gamepad Required.


Who said anything about looking away from the screen? It is right there on the GP screen right along with the race. My 9 year old doesn't look at the main screen just as Nintendo intended. I know I find it surprising but this is the iPhone/iPad generation and they have used these small screens since before they could read. They like the Wii U and new 3DS and all but nothing comes close to their hand-me-down iPhones.



Try taking that GP away from a 9 year old. It may just be his experience orthe fact he is gifted but he is very, very good at strategizing item use in MK8. Let's take one example. Say you have triple shrooms and you were planning on saving them for those shortcuts 1/4 lap down the track. Then you see a race just received the Lightning. Are you going to still hold them and likely loose them or blow them right now while you still can?

If you are not a parent I understand how parental controls are not important to you. Although I am not very concerned about them sticking in a rated M game as they know better, my main concern is making sure they don't play on my account and saves or change system settings. Can't enter passwords with a WUPC and there is no virtual keyboard on the big screen. (At least that I can find).

I controlled Eshop with my Pro Controller on 5.3.2, maybe you are on an older firmware.

 

[thorasgar]

I controlled Eshop with my Pro Controller on 5.3.2, maybe you are on an older firmware.

Nope. Both systems are on 5.3.2. How is it you were able to enter in your NNID password, your credit card number, CCV? My system pops up a big message. "gamepad required"

Sure you can window shop you just can't make a purchase.

 

[Mr. Mysterio]

Nope. Both systems are on 5.3.2. How is it you were able to enter in your NNID password, your credit card number, CCV? My system pops up a big message. "gamepad required"

Sure you can window shop you just can't make a purchase.

Perhaps it will allow you to enter your information on the screen if the GamePad isn't connected and a Wii Remote is connected.

 

[YugamiSekai]

I just had to say this. Do you think that with new AMD hardware that NX will be this easy to break some security? Fail0verflow got the Wii U on release date and broke down most security in a month.

 

[Marionumber1]

I just had to say this. Do you think that with new AMD hardware that NX will be this easy to break some security? Fail0verflow got the Wii U on release date and broke down most security in a month.

It isn't about hardware, it's about the quality of the software running on it. If the Wii U used x86 and Cafe OS had been just as buggy, it probably would have been hacked in the same amount of time.

Well, I will say that the vWii mode entry points may not have existed. This would have made the Boot ROM, keys, and boot0 harder to get, but comex's Wii U mode exploit would work fine.

 

[Antonio Ricardo]

NWPlayer123 and MN1:

Emunand will be released in June too with kernel exploit?
Or need IOSU to create a Emunand and we have to wait more?
If released and dont need IOSU, we cant play original games through Emunand?
Would be a good idea because i could update Emunand without mess Realnand and no message to update if Nintendo release 5.3.3 for example or im talking something wrong?
Playing my original games through Emunand i think most people waiting more patient until IOSU release.

 

[AboodXD]

Emunand will be released in June too with kernel exploit?
Or need IOSU to create a Emunand and we have to wait more?
If released and dont need IOSU, we cant play original games through Emunand?
Would be a good idea because i can update Emunand without mess Realnand and no message to update if Nintendo release 5.3.3 for example.

Ummm, what is "Emunand"? Is it some kind of a custom(clone, second, etc.) nand emulated on a console?

 

[jammybudga777]

you really dont no what an emunand is?? the wii u nand is 8GB and can only install so much too it an emunand would be a clone of your real nand but with no limitations of size except the size of your hard drive (have a look at the oringinal wii emunand) it would be exactly the same kinda thing