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SylverReZ
SylverReZ
It sure is something.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
There are no others (except the afterlife, but I suggest you wait for that 😉) like it or not.
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The afterlife only exists in that it doesn't
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Doc, who are you to say that? Since you are a man of science, inform yourself about the premortem phenomena of people coming out of comas: read the testimonies collected by your compatriot R.Moody -Life after Life, The Light Beyond etc.
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x65943
There is no evidence that there is any existence after death, the people you are referring to are still alive. Once electrical activity ceases as far as we know it's over. Of course we can imagine but until there is any evidence I will go on viewing the world this way. For the same reason I do not think there are polar bears on Mars for example.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Tsk, typical american pragmatism,cynicism, materialism. Real= tangible =useful. There will never be scientific evidence on this: the only adequate evidence is that of intuition and feeling. There is a mental function (self-awareness) that existed before birth and will remain after death: How to find out? Continue mindfullness!
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And the polar bears on Mars?
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Absolutely useless irony regarding vital topics, unworthy of scientific mind. Don't worry, no one is out to convince you and tear down your materialistic prejudice. It will be passing of years and inevitable loss of loved ones that will change your mind, not medical science.
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I don't trust intuition because it has led to too many false conclusions such as earth being the center of the universe and the planets i.e. heavenly spheres being perfect
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Sure. Friendly advice: keep a mind always open to new and unexpected, not fixated on dogma and stored and taken-for-granted concepts. Even today's science can become a bias for tomorrow: the atom was thought to be ultimate reality, then quantum physics turned everything upside down!
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For sure, but I also think you should keep an open mind and accept it may also be true there is nothing after death
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Of course, I will not make a big deal out of it. 🤣 But later you will find that if you rely on something greater wholeheartedly, making yourself humble and open to others, the end result will lose importance, and everything will be accepted. 😉
That said, I appreciate you for your job, which requires great dedication, commitment, sacrifice.
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
"There will never be scientific evidence on this"
Scientific theories provide criteria to test them. They try to create a thought model of the world, try to accurately describe laws of nature/physics. The theories by Isaac Newton for example make predictions how gravitation works. One can monitor planets with a telescope and try to predict movement on basis of that theory. If what can be seen…
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
…matches the calculations, we have strong indication to be using a fairly realistic model. The model is so good that applying it on the measured movement of Uranus could be used to predict the existence of Neptune – and the expected position. One of the greatest triumphs of gravitational astronomy!

Today we now know this theory doesn’t describe reality accurately in extreme cases. The scientific methods demanded…
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
…a new, better theory: Einstein’s General Relativity. It made predictions as well and successfully describes said extreme cases while being “compatible” with the older theory for normal cases.

What I want to say: Postulating something like “There is an afterlife, I feel it, but it cannot be proven.” fails at being a valid theory: You predict something, but define that there MUST NOT BE a criterion that…
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
…would falsify your claim.

Our current physics theories (Quantum, Relativity) are pretty good, but we already know they are incomplete (same for the Standard Model of particle physics).
If you want to turn our “ultimate reality” upside down once again, you have to come up with a model/theory surpassing the current ones – with test criteria or verifiable predictions.
Scientists must not be dogmatic. :creep: