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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Hi. Are these your thoughts or quotes from some writer?
I would rather say that so-called crazy people are considered "wrong", not the opposite.
Then I would not use common sense to measure a person's sanity (not normality)...
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Anyway I don't like to use right/wrong and good/bad: who stands as judge? Where is this so-called objective judgment? It does not even exist in science: the scientist who studies sub-atomic phenomena modifies them (with detection instruments) the moment he studies them. Objectivity is an illusion.
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KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
"Who stands as judge?" ← That is exactly the question is wanted to ask. I get the feeling that the >insane< stamp gets used in a thoughtless way. Somebody not following the majority → wrong, bad, lunatic.
I have the feeling, that so-called normal people often show more questionable behavior than "insane" people. This is why I wrote the above statement down.

But we won't come to an agreement on:
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KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
"sub-atomic phenomena modifies them[…]Objectivity is an illusion."
And at the place of the hard facts (location, speed) come probabilities… science is pretty good at being objective – even if it is naming problems that can't be solved and why they can't be solved. In math, the answer can also be a proof that a solution doesn't exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem
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AncientBoi
AncientBoi
Sounds like me. But then again, people say I'm delusional. :wacko:
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
"Insane stamp...Somebody not following the majority → wrong, bad, lunatic."
Completely agree.
"so-called normal people often show more questionable behavior than "insane" people"
Ditto, as above. I specify that even if science is not totally objective, it must continue to seek it,although unattainable.😉
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
@AncientBoi I laughed because I considered it a joke, and not an actual fact (I wouldn't believe it anyway 😋).
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Creamu
What Foucault calls "disciplinary power" aims to use bodies' skills as effectively as possible. The more useful the body becomes, the more obedient it also has to become. The purpose of this is not only to use the bodies' skills, but also prevent these skills from being used to revolt against the power.
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Creamu
Disciplinary power has according to Foucault been especially successful due to its usage of three technologies: hierarchical observation, normalizing judgement and exams.
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Creamu
By hierarchical observation, the bodies become constantly visible to the power. The observation is hierarchical since there is not a single observer, but rather so a "hierarchy" of observers. An example of this is mental asylums during the 19th century, when the psychiatrist was not the only observer, but also nurses and auxiliary staff.
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Creamu
From these observations and scientific discourses, a norm is established and used to judge the observed bodies. For the disciplinary power to continue to exist, this judgement has to be normalized. Foucault mentions several characteristics of this judgement:
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Creamu
(1) all deviations, even small ones, from correct behavior are punished, (2) repeated rule violations are punished extra, (3) exercises are used as a behavior correcting technique and punishment, (4) rewards are used together with punishment to establish a hierarchy of good and bad behavior/people, (5) rank/grades/etc. are used as punishment and reward.
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Creamu
Exams objectify and individualize the observed bodies by creating extensive documentation about every observed body. The purpose of the exams is therefore to gather further information about each individual, track their development and compare their results to the norm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault
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Creamu
Sciences such as psychiatry, biology, medicine, economy, psychoanalysis, psychology, sociology, ethnology, pedagogy and criminology have all categorized behaviors as rational, irrational, normal, abnormal, human, inhuman, etc. By doing so, they have all created various types of subjectivity and norms, which are then internalized by people as "truths".
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Creamu
People have then adapted their behavior to get closer to what these sciences has labeled as "normal". For example, Foucault claims that psychological observation/surveillance and psychological discourses has created a type of psychology-centered subjectivity, which has led to people considering unhappiness a fault in their psychology rather than in society.
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Creamu
This has also, according to Foucault, been a way for society to resist criticism—criticism against society has been turned against the individual and their psychological health.
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
I only gave you one "like" because, with that rant , you brought back my usual headache....🤣
In all things there is a middle way (est modus in rebus).😉
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Two more "likes". 😁
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
@Creamu Seriously speaking, the views of french existentialism have never appealed to me: too much intellectualism, too many complications, abstruse and sophisticated jargon. You're not french by any chance, are you? 🤣
You certainly have a philosophical background, like mine....🤔
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