OnLive impressions

OnLive has been an interesting system to me. I've always been jealous of my friends and their nice, high-end gaming PCs but with an utter lack of funds, I haven't been able to match up to them. I've been using the same relatively crummy PC for years, which honestly was speced years ago to play Guild Wars, so it hasn't been able to really do any modern gaming. OnLive has been offering a solution to lower end PCs to play higher end games by streaming the game to their computer, kinda like an interactive video. I was a bit nervous to try it but a tested a few demos and here's my thoughts.

The Games



First thing I played was Batman: Arkham Asylum, a game I've never played. I clicked it, took a 30 minute demo (OnLive's demos aren't preset levels but simply 30 minutes of the game, which can be a nice touch), and was in the game within seconds. I guess one of OnLive's selling points is the instantaneous access to games. There's nothing to install (outside of OnLive itself) and you can purchase and play a game within seconds. At first I noticed a very minor delay in my inputs and the game, but within a couple of minutes it wasn't noticeable. I played 30 minutes of the game and found it thoroughly enjoyable. The game is the same price on OnLive as it is on Steam, hitting at $30 for the GotY Edition (only one that's available).

Second thing I demoed was Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, another game I haven't played (but I played the second one). It took a few seconds to load and I was in the game. It ran smoothly, graphics were pleasant but, as expected, definitely looked as though it was streaming. However the game played well and I was able to play it without any issues. I decided to end the demo early since I wasn't exactly in an Assassin's Creed mood.

I was pretty sold on the concept with these two so I bought Borderlands for $5 (they apparently have a "$5 Fridays" deal where a game gets chopped to $5 each Friday). I own a copy of Borderlands for the Xbox 360 and played the shit out of it, but I've been feeling out of the loop of my friends who play it on the PC. I bought it and was able to play it pretty much instantly. It booted up and I played it for about an hour and half or so (my character is about a lvl 7 Siren currently, I got past Nine-Toes at least). I had no connection issues, the game never lagged any more than normal, and it was a fulfilling experience.

All the games played well for what it is: a cloud gaming service that works on almost any PC. Compared to any gaming PC that can just install and play the game, however, they're clearly outmatched. There's no customization on the games really, meaning no mods, for instance, and you can't adjust any of the graphical settings (from resolution to details and such). There's also no LAN gaming for any games, so those who enjoy playing some games over LAN won't have that option. The games also have noticeable "artifacts", similar to watching a Youtube video. At times they're quite noticeable, at others they're not. However, as a proof of concept and a gaming experience, it will satisfy those looking for a stab at PC gaming without spending the cash on a good enough computer.

The Software/Features



OnLive is kinda structured like most digital download services (Steam, Games for Windows, etc). You get your access to the marketplace where you purchase games, view trailers, see Metascores, etc, a friends list of other OnLive users, achievements, standard service stuff. There's also a few interesting features like Arena, where you can spectate and join games, and a video recording feature called "Brag Clips" that lets you record a session of gameplay to show off. There's also currently voice chat that allows you to chat with other plays across games or while spectating.

OnLive does, however, lack that "always on" and system integration that Steam and such have. You boot up OnLive and have it running or it's off. Some really enjoy Steam's system integration, others hate it, so it's up to you on how you feel.

OnLive is also entirely cloud based, keeping all your saves and other game data tied to an account. You can go to another computer that has OnLive installed, load up your account, and be playing anything you own on OnLive in seconds, which is quite a nice feature. There's also OnLive apps available for smartphones and tablets, but it's unable to play games (currently). However, being entirely cloud based means having to be constantly connected to the internet. You lose connection for a second and you'll have to try and reconnect to the game.

There's also an "OnLive console" for the TV. It costs about $100 for the console and a computer, requires a wired connection, and is basically just OnLive on your TV. I can't attest to how well it works but for $100, it can't be all that bad.

The GUI itself I did find a bit annoying though. It feels fitted for gamepads (obviously because of the OnLive console service), which is good for gamepad users, but feels clunky and impractical for mouse/keyboard users.

There's also a huge emphasis on this whole "PlayPack" thing. Basically it's a monthly service for around $10/month that gives you access to a bunch of games. However, some games are exclusive to this "PlayPack", such as BioShock, Tomb Raider games (Anniversary, Legend, and Underworld), stuff like that, which can be quite irritating to those not interested in a subscription. However, $10/month for unlimited access to all these games isn't bad if you're really enjoying the service that much, but for those who just want a few cheap games for their PC, it limits access to their already small (but growing) library. There's also game rentals, something unique to the service it seems, that allows you to rent a game for 3-5 days for a couple of bucks. It seems like a pretty good deal for some short-but-sweet single player games you've been wanting to play.

The Library



Probably OnLive's largest difficulty is the game library. Steam has over 1,300 titles currently, while OnLive has about a tenth of that. It's sorely lacking some key PC games like Call of Duty (haters gonna hate but it still is one of the top played PC games), Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Civilization, etc etc. It's something that may improve as the service grows, but currently it gets thoroughly spanked by Steam in terms of amount of content, although Valve has the most played PC games of all time (TF2, Counterstrike, Counterstrike: Source, etc).

Still, it does feature some good games and full multiplayer. There's (as mentioned before), Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, and Borderlands. It also has some recent and upcoming titles, such as, most recently, Deus Ex: Human Revolution (Augmented Edition as well). There's also pre-orders available for big upcoming games like Saint's Row: The Third, Warhammer 40k: Space Marines (SPICE MARINES), Batman: Arkham City, and presumably will support games like Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Metro: Last Light, having both their successors available.

To say that OnLive has a good library is a large exaggeration though, but it offers some titles worth looking into.

Overall



Overall, OnLive is what it is. Not really a competitor to Steam or other digital distribution services, but an option to enjoy modern computer games on systems that normally wouldn't support them. It's an interesting and unique concept that actually works surprisingly well, despite having some rough spots, namely the library available. However, with the possibility of a growing userbase and more support from publishers (as seen with the Deus Ex: Human Revolution promotion) could lead OnLive to be a viable gaming alternative for computer gamers with less-than-adequate computers or for computer gamers looking for a more portable solution.

Oh, and if any of you happen to have a spare Deus Ex: HR OnLive code that you feel like giving me out of the kindness of your heart, feel free to PM me or something. I'd love you forever.

Comments

I just tried OnLive today, and I must say I'm in love. I just need to get a nice mouse, and keyboard to play it on my laptop. Perfect for people with low end specs, to play high end games without lagging. I'm considering getting the TV Console version.

(I agree, MW2 would have been a instant sale for me.)
 
OnLive is fantastic, but they have to butcher graphic quality to stream it instantly. I use it to play demos, otherwise I just buy games on Steam.
Though this is from the perspective of a guy who CAN run any game on max. So. Yeah.

The lack of games also annoyed me, but it has enough to keep me using it from time to time.

I absolutely HATE the console interface though. It's like a direct console port. Really annoying. It needs a PC interface option.
 
[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3855188' date='Aug 27 2011, 04:28 AM']OnLive is fantastic, but they have to butcher graphic quality to stream it instantly. I use it to play demos, otherwise I just buy games on Steam.
Though this is from the perspective of a guy who CAN run any game on max. So. Yeah.

The lack of games also annoyed me, but it has enough to keep me using it from time to time.

I absolutely HATE the console interface though. It's like a direct console port. Really annoying. It needs a PC interface option.[/quote]

Yeah, you're pretty spot on, although from the perspective of someone who can't run games any recent games (period), it's pretty nice looking, although it definitely has a lack of quality.

Just spent a good couple of hours playing Borderlands and it's a lot of fun. Once I scrape together some more cash I may consider getting Just Cause 2, maybe even AC: Brotherhood.
 
interesting post, thanks !

i've always wanted to try onlive but no matter where I go it's never available.
i guess it works in very specific areas, in the US and in a very few other countries...
 
Very interesting, Guild.

The only thing I fear is that my Internet might not be fast enough.

Or it using too much bandwidth. Seeing as we only have 70GBs. And my whole family downloads like crazy,
 
[quote name='iFish' post='3855448' date='Aug 27 2011, 06:05 AM']Very interesting, Guild.

The only thing I fear is that my Internet might not be fast enough.

Or it using too much bandwidth. Seeing as we only have 70GBs. And my whole family downloads like crazy,[/quote]

Thats harsh man. We at least get 150GB.
 
Interesting concept.
I've heard (If I recall Correctly) about a Brazilian video game company who wanted to create a console that way to combat piracy.


One thing you didn't say in your review is how fast is your connection speed?
I'm on 1024kb/s, I can only watch youtube streaming on 360p (480p is constantly laggy/caching), I need to cache the full video when I go to 720p or else I'll catch it too fast in few seconds.
Giving your speed could let the users estimate their possibilities in streaming.

Edit : Also, you didn't tell which resolution it was output.
Does it display fullscreen, 1056p? 1080p for TV?



I imagine that it will takes full bandwidth to stream correctly. New technologies are coming when France is regressing
3 over the 4th first ISPs are projecting to limit bandwidth usage/speed/pay per transfered data/ per month. While we where one of the first country example in internet development (unlimited time/bandwidth/TV/international phones call at 24Mb/s, all for 30€/month), they want to make more money and go back 10 years in the past where all was limited to 30H internet connection per month+expansive overtime usage. (I already paid 150€ a month for 56k!
 
Cyan beat me to it; what's your download speed? Here in UK if you don't live in a city the internet speeds are crap. I get max 6mb and that's at about 12:00 midnight on a good day if I'm lucky. Generally get about 1-3mb/s so I'm not sure if that's suitable for streaming games....
 
My experience regarding OnLive is rather poor. The streamed resolution is very low and things look very blurry making it next to impossible to read small text in-game. I also encountered the above mentioned graphical artifacts that I assume appear due to the compression of the stream.

The input lag was not as bad as I had thought. I mean, it was quite noticeable, but it did not seem to affect the play experience that much which is quite nice. However every few seconds I encountered micro-stutter, the kind of stutter that appears less than a second but still causes the gameplay to become more choppy than it has to be. That is not quite as nice.

All in all I find myself very unlikely to use OnLive. I'd imagine it could be a decent experience if you have a weak computer and don't have the opportunity to get something that is capable of playing newer games, but the overall experience is just a whole lot more enjoyable on real hardware to me.
 
[quote name='Minox_IX' post='3855917' date='Aug 27 2011, 02:02 PM']My experience regarding OnLive is rather poor. The streamed resolution is very low and things look very blurry making it next to impossible to read small text in-game. I also encountered the above mentioned graphical artifacts that I assume appear due to the compression of the stream.

The input lag was not as bad as I had thought. I mean, it was quite noticeable, but it did not seem to affect the play experience that much which is quite nice. However every few seconds I encountered micro-stutter, the kind of stutter that appears less than a second but still causes the gameplay to become more choppy than it has to be. That is not quite as nice.

All in all I find myself very unlikely to use OnLive. I'd imagine it could be a decent experience if you have a weak computer and don't have the opportunity to get something that is capable of playing newer games, but the overall experience is just a whole lot more enjoyable on real hardware to me.[/quote]

I've never had it really that bad. Everything was rather vivid in Borderlands and I've been playing that for probably 5+ hours so far. Video quality is definitely compressed but I only find it noticeable in some parts. When was the last time you've tried it? I think people have been saying that the quality is ever-improving.

If it helps, here's a speed test (if this is even applicable).

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It's also a matter of your proximity to one of their locations. My internet also isn't capped or anything. The quality of the service really seems to differ from person to person.

EDIT: If anyone wants to add me on OnLive, my username is GuildMcCommunist. I only have Borderlands at the moment but I wouldn't mind picking up AC: Brotherhood and Just Cause 2 when the money tree grows again.
 
For those wondering about connection speeds, the minimum for you to be able to actually use the OnLive service is 2mbps, (or about a 250kb/s download speed). The recommended for best quality is 5mbps. So if your download speed is over 250kb/s then you're all good to use OnLive. Mine, unfortunately, is 2mbps and it seems just recently they lowered their minimum internet speed requirement (used to be 3mbps, in the beta you HAD to have 5mbps or you couldn't use it...I was in the closed beta and didn't get a single chance to use it :( )


EDIT: As for the service, I'm a little disappointed that they don't have Paypal support, but the overall experience I've had playing a few demos was quite nice. I played Borderlands for half an hour and did notice the compressed graphics but that didn't bother me at all. It's a good service and a good concept, all they need now is a bigger game library with more mainstream games and I think it might eventually pass Steam. Maybe.
 
I think this service is very interesting. I have some questions about it. If you buy a game, how do you pay for it ? Do you link your onlive account to something ? Can games be bought with paypal ? What happens when I pay 10$ monthly ? Do I get access to every game ? The full game or only part of the game ?
 
I have a "shit hot" PC and I only get home when my internet is a bit "sub par" what with having to share it with 5 other people so this service is crappy for me.

However if we ever get uncapped internet, where everyone can get great speeds then this does seem to be the future of PC gaming so I'm all for it but it'll be with someone else not OnLive.
 
[quote name='hunter291' post='3856510' date='Aug 27 2011, 09:40 PM']I think this service is very interesting. I have some questions about it. If you buy a game, how do you pay for it ? Do you link your onlive account to something ? Can games be bought with paypal ? What happens when I pay 10$ monthly ? Do I get access to every game ? The full game or only part of the game ?[/quote]

I just linked my debit card to my account and pay for it directly out of that. I don't think there's PayPal support though.

If you want to subscribe, it just takes $10 out of your linked card every month (or so I thought). You don't get access to every game, mostly ones that have been on there for a while. They said, as an example, when NBA 2K11 came out, NBA 2K10 was added to the PlayPack. Not to say every game is outdated, you get access to some good titles. Not enough to interest me currently but when I get the funds I'd definitely do it.
 
haha ok. just tried the onlive app on the computer to test some demos. seems like it isn't working in germany. sad story xD
 
[quote name='suprgamr232' post='3855988' date='Aug 27 2011, 03:28 PM']For those wondering about connection speeds, the minimum for you to be able to actually use the OnLive service is 2mbps, (or about a 250kb/s download speed). The recommended for best quality is 5mbps.[/quote]


Holy crap. As mentioned above about UK connections, and despite the fact that Onlive launches here in less than a month with semi glowing reviews in national papers, i can't see that many people will actually be in a position to use the service, especially those who are using interleaved ADSL.

Add in the caps we have on usage allowances and it doesn't seem realistic at the moment.
 
[quote name='hunter291' post='3856510' date='Aug 27 2011, 04:40 PM']I think this service is very interesting. I have some questions about it. If you buy a game, how do you pay for it ? Do you link your onlive account to something ? Can games be bought with paypal ? What happens when I pay 10$ monthly ? Do I get access to every game ? The full game or only part of the game ?[/quote]

Lulzreadthethread. I already answered the Paypal question :P


[quote name='Guild McCommunist' post='3856521' date='Aug 27 2011, 04:50 PM'][quote name='hunter291' post='3856510' date='Aug 27 2011, 09:40 PM']I think this service is very interesting. I have some questions about it. If you buy a game, how do you pay for it ? Do you link your onlive account to something ? Can games be bought with paypal ? What happens when I pay 10$ monthly ? Do I get access to every game ? The full game or only part of the game ?[/quote]

I just linked my debit card to my account and pay for it directly out of that. I don't think there's PayPal support though.

If you want to subscribe, it just takes $10 out of your linked card every month (or so I thought). You don't get access to every game, mostly ones that have been on there for a while. They said, as an example, when NBA 2K11 came out, NBA 2K10 was added to the PlayPack. Not to say every game is outdated, you get access to some good titles. Not enough to interest me currently but when I get the funds I'd definitely do it.
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That's correct, it's $10 a month and you can only play about 80 games in the Onlive Playpack. Most of them are okay, but if it were me I wouldn't do it.

[quote name='xist' post='3856735' date='Aug 27 2011, 06:55 PM'][quote name='suprgamr232' post='3855988' date='Aug 27 2011, 03:28 PM']For those wondering about connection speeds, the minimum for you to be able to actually use the OnLive service is 2mbps, (or about a 250kb/s download speed). The recommended for best quality is 5mbps.[/quote]


Holy crap. As mentioned above about UK connections, and despite the fact that Onlive launches here in less than a month with semi glowing reviews in national papers, i can't see that many people will actually be in a position to use the service, especially those who are using interleaved ADSL.

Add in the caps we have on usage allowances and it doesn't seem realistic at the moment.
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Yeah, I'm thinking they're working on getting the connection requirements as low as they possibly can so perhaps by the time it releases in the UK it'll be about 1mbps which isn't too bad. Besaide, minimum quality with OnLive is still better than laggy poopbox unplayable quality with a piece of crap PC.
 

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