Dealing with domestic religious oppression

So this blog is a different sort from what i'd usually make (what rare blogs i do happen to make anyways). As a brief note, i don't let a religion govern my life, i don't have one. To put it simply, i guess you could say that the closest i am to a "belief" would be agnostic, neither confirming nor denying the existence of a god. This is the issue at heart here that i've always had to deal with from close relatives- not believing in a Christian god. So with that out of the way, on to the REAL topic. I'm not sure how well this topic will go over. I assure you that if any sort of religious war starts here, i will have this topic locked. Not my intention to start a belief war. This is also by no means any sort of attack on what people believe, or what religion you are of. It's directed towards people who ABUSE their beliefs to control or attack other people. Wars, emotional oppression, bullying, peer pressure, power hungry cults, etc.

How do YOU guys or girls deal with people in your life who make antagonistic remarks against your beliefs and try to emotionally "bully" you into believing like they do? That is, apart from leaving home entirely and cutting them out of your life (i wouldn't be willing or able to do so either way). I consider myself mature enough to deal with this, and i have managed it for a long time. But when it comes down to it, i was wondering how OTHERS handle it. When i say oppression, i'm referring to when someone you know (or perhaps even someone you don't know) approaches you for some reason wishing to convince you of something. When you politely wish to not to believe, they turn to negative and sometimes abusive or violent means to try to get you to believe (comments like "you're going to hell, blasphemy, i'm glad i'm enlightened and you're not, i didn't want to share heaven with someone like you anyways, god hates you, etc"). I'm sure many people on these forums can relate to this happening to them sometime during their life. I've probably had most of these insults at least once in my life, most recently the part about not being enlightened and that i'm going to hell (from my own mother ironically). :rolleyes:

I used to explain to the other party (in this case, my mother) that i don't wish to put my faith in something that doesn't have tangible proof (in this case, the Christian god). That was long ago (when i was far more naive as a teen), explaining in a calm and rational way (with logic) only incites anger i learned. As an adult, i've found that the only thing i know of that really works is to ignore them entirely. Doesn't stop them, but it shortens the conversation considerably. Just asking them to stop does nothing. Going to church was particularly painful. I don't anymore thankfully since i'm adult, but i was forced to as a child and a teen. It was a rather unpleasant experience being told to hate people who don't believe the same things as you. Or to shun people who were born differently. And in fact, that i'm going to burn in a fiery pit unless i go along with what they say.

It's unfortunate that i have many family members, including my mother at times, who use their beliefs to attack and degrade other people. I don't talk to many of them (the most extreme ones that you can't get through a simple conversation without them spouting a racist or bigoted statement about how someone should die based on looks, beliefs, or even genetic traits they were naturally born with). But some of them i do care about despite all this. Hard to believe yes, but family is family. My mother is the easiest to deal with at least (she actually believes in scientific knowledge like evolution and whatnot), but still uses a religion to degrade others (including myself). I think the worst part is when they try to convince you there's something evil in you causing you to not go along with their beliefs. At that point, if you don't listen, they go for the attacks and religious threats i mentioned. It should also be noted that despite this, i don't even commit any acts they'd consider immoral based on teachings. It's due solely to the fact that i don't believe in a Christian god (i'm one without faith).

Considering my surroundings in family, i'm not sure how i managed to come out so differently. I'm fortunate, and i seem to have turned out ok. In some ways, this oppression may have been a benefit to me. I used to be an overly sensitive person as a kid and teen. As an adult, i've become indifferent to personal attacks, thanks to having been on the receiving end of so many. So how do you deal with stuff like this? People who try to use their beliefs to control and oppress you? I've wanted to ask others with open minds how they deal with such a thing for quite a while. But only recently with some old topics among my family reopened have i finally made a topic about it. And no, i'm not asking for sympathy at all or whining. It's just a topic i've wanted to share for a while and see how others handle it.

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I've dealt with that to a smaller extent. I'm an atheist and have been for the past two or so years (Whereas before I was agnostic) and I haven't had too much of a problem. There was one neighbor boy who said I was going to hell since I'm Jewish and don't follow the Christian beliefs, but that was years ago when I was only 13 and the kid wasn't even too bad about it.

One thing that's been a bit difficult is my mom. She's a religious Jew and whenever the topic of me being an atheist comes up, I can tell it makes her uncomfortable which is a bit hard for me. She never outright says she disproves of my way of life, but I'm sure she would love if I was religious.

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If this becomes some sort of religious flame war, i WILL close this. I assure everyone of ANY belief that this topic is not intended in any way to attack what you believe in. This is directed solely towards people who abuse their beliefs, people who use their religion to dominate and attack other people. So as long as no one attacks other people or singles out religions for being evil, i think we're good. I'm directing this at individuals who happen to be evil, their religious beliefs aren't even relevant (just how they treat others and USE their beliefs).
 
Religion is the doorway to ignorance. If people would spend half as much time as they do reading religious scriptures or praying to a non existant god on something more meaningful that would actually help their fellow man there would be no war, famine, or poverty. The fallacies of religion are a poison from which many take and rather than taking an antedote to help themselves, they continue to consume this poison and make the world as toxic as their own bodies.
 
Well that didn't take long...

This topic is not about religion and whether you should have it. It's about belief system oppression. I guess it was a pipe dream hoping it wouldn't degenerate into a religion bashing fest.

I'm considering locking this already. We'll give it one more try. Keep religion bashing out of this though.
 
To late. :P

[quote name='TrapperKeeperX' post='3815727' date='Aug 5 2011, 01:56 AM']Religion is the doorway to ignorance. If people would spend half as much time as they do reading religious scriptures or praying to a non existant god on something more meaningful that would actually help their fellow man there would be no war, famine, or poverty. The fallacies of religion are a poison from which many take and rather than taking an antedote to help themselves, they continue to consume this poison and make the world as toxic as their own bodies.[/quote]

[quote name='granville' post='3815694' date='Aug 5 2011, 01:25 AM']If this becomes some sort of religious flame war, i WILL close this. I assure everyone of ANY belief that this topic is not intended in any way to attack what you believe in. This is directed solely towards people who abuse their beliefs, people who use their religion to dominate and attack other people. So as long as no one attacks other people or singles out religions for being evil, i think we're good. I'm directing this at individuals who happen to be evil, their religious beliefs aren't even relevant (just how they treat others and USE their beliefs).[/quote]
Just to remind people.

Never had to deal with it, neither anyone else should.
 
[quote name='granville' post='3815743' date='Aug 5 2011, 10:04 AM']Well that didn't take long...

This topic is not about religion and whether you should have it. It's about belief system oppression. I guess it was a pipe dream hoping it wouldn't degenerate into a religion bashing fest.

I'm considering locking this already. We'll give it one more try. Keep religion bashing out of this though.[/quote]

I don't think it should be locked unless it turns into an argument. Ignoring that guy's obvious troll bait should be easy for most of us and can be removed if needed.
 
well my parents are overly religious. They base their everyday life on a basis of faith. I've told my dad how the bible (they christian also not that fake catholic christian but the i'll follow the bible to every detail christian my mom wont even wear pants) and he continues with his beliefs. as for me, I have my religious loophole. We as humans, were created to rule the world and be greater than the animals that inhabit our planet. For me I believe in a creator, I also believe that aliens or things not from this earth are responsible for human evolution. Such intelligence seems to be only in one specie of animal.. Humans.. therefore to me we're products of mutation. Anyways, I believe in a creator. creators aren't worshiped. well i don't see a point why they should. If we were created with the purpose of worship then we wouldn't have free will. Anyways, I just ignore what people tell me. when i was younger i was that kid that pushed his religious views on people until the day came that I asked why? why worship? what good comes from it? its better to live life with hope in ones self and the hands of fate than to worship something that may or may not exist
 
I found that, although I am atheist, being in a Catholic school is livable. The teachers (who don't know that) have actually asked me to read scriptures and stuff a couple of times. Which I accept, since I'm an attention whore. (JK!)

Of course, there's an occasional (well, a lot actually) person that condemns me and says I'll go to hell, but my normal answer for that is "K. Hell. Suuuure." Most of my classmates know that I'm atheist, because I told just so none of them spark up awkward religious conversations with me or ask me why I'm not praying the rosary. Oddly enough, my science teachers don't seem to notice my blatant oppression to creationism, nor does my religion teacher care that I constantly ask him secular questions. Oh well.

Thing is, I can live with (barely) feigning Christian beliefs for now.
 
I'm atheist, my mother is a newly converted baptist. (Canadian baptist, not bat shit speaking in tongues baptist.) I was raised without religion, and it gets a bit much to hear my mother constantly trying to get me involved with her church.

However, I mostly ignore all of the hate speech that goes around. The main problem I have with organized religion is that they teach you to hate other people. I'm lesbian, most religions have problems with my sexuality already. So, most of my time is spent ignoring the hate speech. Nothing you can do except for just have a level of tolerance those religious individuals don't have.
 
I've had some issues with Christians and Muslims in the past (you know the typical stuff)

Just ignore them and walk away, seriously.

Any attempts to argue just go in circles and never help anyone. (ie they can't change your views, the converse is also true)

(though I must admit, I do enjoy a good arguement every now and then)
 
I haven't made it clear myself exactly what my beliefs are, just found life too complicated to do so - basically, I accept there's a higher power, either an omnipotent being [is that the right term?] or just the universe being random.

I'm in a country where Catholics make the majority [as well as the overriding power, apparently, but that's beside the point]. Back then in early elementary and high school, we had religion classes [once a week]. I used to sit out of them, then got bored of that, decided to sit in and just ignore them, basically. Didn't seem to faze the teacher [or nun, I remember seeing a nun once] to have a "non-believer" in their midst.

Thankfully, I've never had anyone try to shove their beliefs down my throat. I have been around people who are devoted catholics, especially during religious holidays and stuff [esp holy week], but I learned that if I didn't bother them at all, they most usually won't bother me.

Of course, it's still a bit awkward. Sometimes I get chosen to lead the class prayer [yeah, we have those too], and I go "I don't believe this whole pre-scripted prayer thing, so let's all have a moment of silence to pray". And almost all my friends are catholic, though that doesn't at all seem to matter to us.

I guess I'm just luckier than the OP, then.


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I guess the main reason I haven't experienced any sort of 'domestic' arguments on the matter is simple: my parents have different religions. In my case, choosing religions becomes less of a belief issue and more of a familial/maternal-paternal preference issue. Would be hella weird to side with one side or the other. Not that they seem to mind, though.
 
It depends on if you still want a relationship with those people. I'd say in cases like this you only have 3 choices:-

1) Agree to disagree and choose not to talk about those issues.
2) One side just quietly shut up and put up with it. <--- Not a real option TBH. It will be you who has to do that, so you'd still be putting up with the same abuse while just pretending it doesn't bother you.
3) Cut them out of your life...

I would only advise option 3 in the most extreme positions. I have come close to that option with my mother on more than one occasion, so I am really glad we managed to sort that out, with a little help from her Church believe it or not.

It's a shame you aren't in the UK. I actually work with some people who could help you with this issue much better than any of us tempers could.
 

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