Death

Allow me to relate to you an interesting story involving death, one which is still unveiling.

January 9, 1956: A baby is born to the Avillas, a family in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the youngest of a family of 3 boys and 3 girls, with only his mother around to care for him. They named him Thomas, after the doubting Thomas of Christian biblical fame. His sisters names are Paulette, Laverne, and most importantly, Victoria. His brothers' names are Jim and Mike.

The Avillas were far from privledged, and Thomas grew up being bullied by Jim. Mike, however, was mostly a loner, and kept away from his family. There are more lurid details involving Mike, but perhaps I'll save it for another time.

One of his family members loved him the most, however; his sister, Victoria. They went through thick and thin in the ever-changing ghettos of Hawaii, facing off against everything from bullies to gangsters to drug lords. Even as Thomas turned to crime, and even stole Victoria's jewelry, she still loved him dearly.

...However, their adventures would soon come to a tragic end. Victoria had married a navy man, and they had planned to move to California. Thomas and Victoria said a tearful goodbye...but perhaps it wasn't tearful enough.

In the summer of '84, Thomas Avilla was shot three times in the chest by a gang lord known to the police only as "Lord Brown". (This was evidenced by his style of shooting; a shot in the left shoulder, right shoulder, and heart were his trademarks.) Evidently, Thomas had been stealing one too many grams of Mary Jane, and had now payed far more than it's black market price. Victoria is inconsolable.

2 years later, the gaping hole in Victoria's heart cried out for a son, though she already had three daughters. She was unfortunately barren, however, as she had opted to have her tubes tied years before. Her only choice was adoption.

The Christian adoption agency was skeptical of this 40-something year old woman's claim that she would make an acceptable mother; there's such a thing as crow's feet, but this woman clearly had spider-crow's feet. She claimed that she was energetic enough, however, and they were convinced of her sincerity. There was only one boy available for adoption, the yet-unborn David Brown Jr., son of David and Dana Brown. The court had ordered them to give up their children as they had been beating them with curtain rods. Victoria accepted.

A week later, David Brown was born; but Victoria had other plans for his name. She named him Thomas after her departed brother, and thought solemnly of him every time she held him. She even told him an old phrase that Tom used to say to her when they were still young and running about the ghettos of Hawaii. "Ay, kid...we gonna have a good run, you and me. Let's stick tagada, and tru 'da haze of it all, and we'll always have blue skies and palm trees."

I am that child. I am Thomas Roehrman, and to this day, I look exactly like Thomas Avilla. Even though I was adopted and have no biological links to my mother, I have copied his style and everything about him without even knowing it. Death is funny like that; all that really happens is that you've finished making your impressions on others, and that you've completed your memory. But it isn't the end, the impressions you leave behind reverberate throughout the universe, and sometimes, they gather in a single location, creating a new person in your image.

Oh, and get this; the name "Tom" means..."twin".

@Wolvenreign
THAT IS FREAKING INCREDIBLE. My mind is quite literally blown.

Also, the topic of death is spawning up all over right now. Hell, just a few days ago, a kid at my school died of a heroin overdose (me, not sympathetic of a death such as that one) and today and tomorrow, people are dressing formal in memory of him, though I refuse to participate for the already stated reason.

Weird stuff.

Another interesting subject related to death...

Supposedly, to dream of death means that you are going to go through a great and tumultuous change in your life.

Perhaps this world, Earth...perhaps it dreams of death, and is going through an immense change.

Heck, maybe that's why this topic is irrefutably stuck at the top of Blog Articles.

[quote name='Wolvenreign' post='3577316' date='Apr 8 2011, 06:03 AM']Perhaps this world, Earth...perhaps it dreams of death, and is going through an immense change.[/quote]

I can somewhat agree with this.

But all this death talk is giving me the heeby jeebies. That story was crazy O_O

But I assure you, it is entirely true. =D Maybe I should make that story a seperate thread? It seems like it deserves to be a blog entry. What do you guys think? I'd call it "Blue Skies and Palm Trees".

Very cool story and fully supports the choice of reincarnation. I believe that to be true that you can choice to be reincarnated If your flesh body no longer has a way to support life due to severe of critical injuries.

I have read so many stories and been told by people I meet online and one close friend also about their near death experience's and how their is definitely much more after death.

I believe the body's we have now are just our Earthy avatars to enable use to experience things that are not possible in our spiritual body's.

I could imagine death feeling sort've like this:

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I'm Christian, so I don't believe in reincarnation but I do believe in a second, eternal life in heaven (or maybe the other way...)

[quote name='s4mid4re' post='3577510' date='Apr 8 2011, 01:43 AM']I'm Christian, so I don't believe in reincarnation but I do believe in a second, eternal life in heaven (or maybe the other way...)[/quote]
This.

And as much as it pains me to do so, I have to debunk Wolvenreign's story. Parents(biological and adoptive) play a large role in their children's lives, whether they want to or not. If your mom were an average mom, you'd probably have the characteristics of your biological parents. But your mom was so tied to her brother, and her wish to see him again that she, in a sense, turned you into him.

Of course, that's not 100% why you are the way you are. There is the chance that the personality given to you by your mom so perfectly complimented the characteristics of your biological parents that it meshed into the person you are. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're not the person you're meant to be. Your personality is exactly how it was intended to be. Just how it got there is what I'm questioning.

Moving on, (some days I really think I should be a psychiatrist), I live without fear of death; I practically welcome it(not to the point of suicide, mind you). I'd never have to worry about anything ever again, plus I'd get to see Jesus. Sounds pretty great to me. Most days though, I know that death won't come for me. Instead, it shall be the rapture that takes me.

As to the main bits of this topic, don't think there's no free will or thought in Heaven. I heard it best described that our occupation here on earth will continue to be so in Heaven, except on a far grander scale. Infinite colors to paint with, infinite numbers to calculate, etc. I believe that was by Thomas De Witt Talmage.

Found this vid after reading your post TehSkull, hope you find It enjoyable


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI716vMNwac&feature=related[/youtube]

*throws my two cents in*
i believe that when you die, you go back to what you were before you were born.
-nothing-
and on the subject of reincarnation, i don't believe it is at all possible. i know there are religions that do believe in it, and that there are religions that even believe in magic (like christianity). and i respect them all.
but i mean. scientifically, realistically, life after death is impossible.
i believe you die painfully, feeling each of your organs lose life and your brain losing oxygen as your heart fails you. and last to go is your brain, which can either go quickly or slowly, depending on how you're dying.
now that's assuming you're not dying of a fatal injury to your brain/head. if your head is crushed quickly enough, like you're jumping off a building or whatever, you don't feel anything except for the split second of impact you'll never remember.

main point; when you die, you go back to nothing. just as you were before you were a little spermy chillin' in the 'sack.

How is that logical?

How do you know you where nothing before you where born? How do you know you will become nothing after you die?

Sure, your body wasn't formed yet and after you die your body becomes dust and ash but do you think that is all to who you really are?

For example, when you where born, do you remember your first breath? Do you remember the first thing you seen with your eyes?

The pain you explain from death is nothing compared to the traumatic experience you already went through at birth that you no longer remember.

Just because you never had memory of something, doesn't mean that It didn't happen or exist.

[quote name='N.M. ZERO B.C.' post='3577711' date='Apr 8 2011, 03:44 AM']...[/quote]
it's logical because there's a scientific explanation.
scientific evidence is far more powerful than spiritualist "ideas."
before you were born, you were a sperm.
before you were a sperm, you were nothing. unless you want to get all microscopic and argue about what sperm consists of.
when you die you go back to being nothing.

also, i'm not quite sure what you mean with your comparing the pain of death to the trauma of birth.
i didn't even say anything about that, lol.

@Wolveriegn Epic story man!!! I also highly agree in what you said in your second post.

@Wolveriegn Wow.. my godfather suicided somehow like your story, they (I was like 9) found him lying down the bed with a letter and stuff, the thing is, he was one of my closest friends. Good story bud.

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And the death... I think you should invest more time on finding more enjoyable things. Death itself is something natural, like living. And I prefer of thinking about living.

Death is a funny thing. I've been thinking about eternal return a lot lately and I can finally say I've found something scarier than death. Having exactly the same life over and over every time the universe is reborn for eternity would be fucking horrible, even if we never were aware of it.

[quote name='CA519705950' post='3577972' date='Apr 8 2011, 09:44 AM']Death is a funny thing. I've been thinking about eternal return a lot lately and I can finally say I've found something scarier than death. Having exactly the same life over and over every time the universe is reborn for eternity would be fucking horrible, even if we never were aware of it.[/quote]
It kind of is. For some reason, I have this strange feeling of deja vu every once in a while, like I really did something I've never done in my life before, but it feels so familiar.

I'm Buddhist, and I believe in reincarnation and karma and everything, but I'm still not quite sure about the thought of reincarnation. I mean, it is pretty freaky all of the strange cases that happen that may relate to reincarnation, but it still makes me puzzled. Although I'm puzzled, I strongly believe in my religion and respect others, and since buddhism is based on compassion, I'm proud to be a buddhist. I find it sad though, how others stereotype anothers religion, like how people look at muslims and think "terrorist", or others look at buddhism, without any knowledge of that religion, and still look down on it.

[quote name='Hikaru' post='3577975' date='Apr 8 2011, 03:47 PM'][quote name='CA519705950' post='3577972' date='Apr 8 2011, 09:44 AM']Death is a funny thing. I've been thinking about eternal return a lot lately and I can finally say I've found something scarier than death. Having exactly the same life over and over every time the universe is reborn for eternity would be fucking horrible, even if we never were aware of it.[/quote]
It kind of is. For some reason, I have this strange feeling of deja vu every once in a while, like I really did something I've never done in my life before, but it feels so familiar.

I'm Buddhist, and I believe in reincarnation and karma and everything, but I'm still not quite sure about the thought of reincarnation. I mean, it is pretty freaky all of the strange cases that happen that may relate to reincarnation, but it still makes me puzzled. Although I'm puzzled, I strongly believe in my religion and respect others, and since buddhism is based on compassion, I'm proud to be a buddhist. I find it sad though, how others stereotype anothers religion, like how people look at muslims and think "terrorist", or others look at buddhism, without any knowledge of that religion, and still look down on it.
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lol, dude i got the deja vu feeling just this morning. I wonder what causes this feeling because i'm sure a lot of us get ths feeling every once in a while. It's quite a random and mis-understood feeling that needs to be figured out.

maybe everything you are doing right now is really just a really long dream and death will wake you up

[quote name='sinharvest24' post='3578025' date='Apr 8 2011, 04:11 PM'][quote name='Hikaru' post='3577975' date='Apr 8 2011, 03:47 PM'][quote name='CA519705950' post='3577972' date='Apr 8 2011, 09:44 AM']Death is a funny thing. I've been thinking about eternal return a lot lately and I can finally say I've found something scarier than death. Having exactly the same life over and over every time the universe is reborn for eternity would be fucking horrible, even if we never were aware of it.[/quote]
It kind of is. For some reason, I have this strange feeling of deja vu every once in a while, like I really did something I've never done in my life before, but it feels so familiar.

I'm Buddhist, and I believe in reincarnation and karma and everything, but I'm still not quite sure about the thought of reincarnation. I mean, it is pretty freaky all of the strange cases that happen that may relate to reincarnation, but it still makes me puzzled. Although I'm puzzled, I strongly believe in my religion and respect others, and since buddhism is based on compassion, I'm proud to be a buddhist. I find it sad though, how others stereotype anothers religion, like how people look at muslims and think "terrorist", or others look at buddhism, without any knowledge of that religion, and still look down on it.
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lol, dude i got the deja vu feeling just this morning. I wonder what causes this feeling because i'm sure a lot of us get ths feeling every once in a while. It's quite a random and mis-understood feeling that needs to be figured out.
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no. its got to do with short term and long term memory. i can't remember the exact details but i'm 99% sure its no mystery