Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

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The Obama administration's been nothing but a let down since day one.

He promised change and hope for a better tomorrow, gave us something to want and believe in.

It's now tomorrow and we still have a war in the Middle East and a whole slew of other problems on top of that.
I know that his job isn't the easiest, but when do we start seeing progress?

When is the change? Where is the hope?
 

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_Chaz_ said:
The Obama administration's been nothing but a let down since day one.

He promised change and hope for a better tomorrow, gave us something to want and believe in.

It's now tomorrow and we still have a war in the Middle East and a whole slew of other problems on top of that.
I know that his job isn't the easiest, but when do we start seeing progress?

When is the change? Where is the hope?

I don't think changes like those can happen overnight
 
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Hope and pocket change.

Prophet said:
Do you really believe that?

Let's say you own a home and in this home there is an empty room that you do not use. Now let's say I decide to move into that room without your consent. When you saw me moving in you would likely object and I would quote your very own sentiment, “I have not deprived you of anything.” It's not like you were using the room anyway right?
And you would be a fuckhead, because you are both depriving me of the ability to use that room and the ability to not have to put up with a jackass moving into my house, and a pile of other things I don't want to bother explaining.
If you built your own room from scratch designed exactly like my spare room down to the atomic structure and then moved into it, pretending it was mine, you would have a relevant analogy. Let's extend that:

Assuming that recreating rooms exactly like this was easily possible and very commonplace, would the fault for "losing profits" be on the hand of the people who copy rooms, or the people who are trying to monetize room designs in a world where it is both easily possible to attain the design without a designer's consent and entirely implausible to enforce rules about what can and can't be recreated without infringing on people's rights?

Digital "property" cannot possibly be defined in the same manner as physical property. You can't make exact copies of physical property without significant effort and loss of other physical materials, you can't take physical property for your own without depriving someone else of it, you can't transfer physical property without physical space, you can't create physical property by shifting ones and zeroes back and forth until they do something. None of these problems exist with digital "property," and yet we're attempting to legislate it based on the paradigms we've developed because of the limitations of physical property. We're trying to dictate what's moral or not based on limitations that do not actually exist.

The digital era has broken the rules. People have discovered that they can just use their own devices to boil the salt out of oceanwater instead of buying all their water from X Corp, and X Corp in retaliation has attempted to outlaw the production of materials in any shape that can potentially be used to boil water. People have realized that they don't have to purchase what there is an infinite supply of freely available, so they're stopping, even though X Corp put so much work into designing a specifically efficient manner of boiling water thinking that they were the only provider.

If you can't make a profit without criminalizing 90% of the populace, then you can't make a profit, too bad, you had your day, go home. We would clearly be better off without you.

Although this is a valid point, what if X Corp was every game/movie/software/everything designer. What if they do decide to just quit. Without SOME form of copyright laws everyone would get everything for free, but then the people who actually create the content would have to stop making it and get a job that would earn them money. I do think some drm is necessary to protect companies' profits, but I also think its completely rediculous to criminalize people who break that drm. These companies need to fight their own battles, the government should have nothing to do with this, thats capitalism. I mean heck, half the time theres piracy is because companies don't offer things like game demos. Also things like hulu help combat piracy because people no longer feel the need to pirate because they can get the content for free anyway, while still benefiting the company.
 

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Rydian said:
And the very first line proves they don't know shit.

QUOTE said:
"It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window." -- U.S. VP Joe Biden
Stealing is bad because you deprive the person of what you stole.

When you pirate something, you're making a copy, the original is left alone.
Nobody is deprived of the original object.

The people making the decisions don't know what's actually going on.

^This.
Add in the corruption that is called Big Business that controls the government and you're about caught up
 

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TrapperKeeperX said:
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SickPuppy said:
I have one thing to say, people, Nov.4 is coming around real soon. It's time to get rid of all of the democrats that hold seats in the senate and in the house. I have no doubt that a lot of democrats will lose their seats anyways, but none the less, we can make sure of it if all of you get out and vote.
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However, Republicans are no better... they're just as much corporate sell-outs as any other large political party. And I imagine they probably have even less regard for consumer rights than the Democrats, who are simply too spineless to stand up for any issue.

Have you seen the Texas GOP platform, recently? I've got paper airplanes that fly backwards that make it further than most crap spouted by the GOP. You'd be trading spineless cowards for draconian, hypocritical fascists.
I'm going to say this about these fucking hateful inferior human beings they need to die!" Texas GOP Platform Advocates Criminalizing Gay Marriage, Banning Strip Clubs, Pornography " Texas is nothing but a bunch of Wife Beating,Inbred Sister/Cousin Fucking,White Trash,Whitewashed Religious Christians/Southern Baptist,Self Righteous,Ignorant,Close Minded,Corrupted, Bastards! I know that was long but I'm being very serious They need to be wiped off the face of the Earth and you know what they're the ones getting lap dances having gay sex & watching porn! Which I will not doubt for a second. I'm embarrassed that I live in a country with a bunch of Wife Beating,Inbred Sister/Cousin Fucking,White Trash,Whitewashed Religious Christians/Southern Baptist,Self Righteous,Ignorant,Close Minded,Corrupted, Bastards! It's that embarrassing.

Why is it okay to say something racist against whites? To even hint about something that may generalize a minority is the ultimate taboo, yet white, Christian/Jew, male, straight is fair game. Equality must be equal. Please try and realize that when going after one group is acceptable, it can equally become exceptable to go after another. What happens if the Republicans get back in, and in the next 10 years the decide being gay, a minority, or left leaning is a punishable offense? The pendulum can swing both ways which is why equality across the board is important. Liberals are no longer liberals. They used to fight for free speech, equality, and freedom. They used to fight "the man". Now they are the man and somehow don't realize they are the exact opposite of what they think they are. It is very scary.


Anyway with the Obama legislation, I think nobody here should be surprised. They have been trying to make the internet a government controlled entity. Our rights and freedoms have never been in jeopardy as they are now. The news media is gone, equality is on its way out, freedom is dying. IMO we lost the cold war November '08. Communism is here, and we are all now seeing the effects. And damn the Republicans and McCain for pandering and trying to get the middle/left vote. And I hope all the US citizens that went out to vote without any any research, understanding, or looking at past affiliations take a good hard look at the outcome. November is coming. Which ever way you guys vote, all I ask is that you do not show up to the ballot box without being as informed as possible. Do not trust the media as they are as guilty now as the politicians themselves. Do not vote with your feelings, vote with your intelligence.
 

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George Dawes said:
"communism is here"? in the usa?

LOL!

If only they could manage socialism, the country wouldn't be such a mess.

Socialism is the mess. As it has been for any other country that attempted it. And as the Marxist teachings suggest, it is the inevitable bridge to Communism. If you would like to be a socialist, you must study and learn its roots. I have yet to meet a socialist that truly understands its origins and intent. Like I said, very scary.
 

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George Dawes said:
"communism is here"? in the usa?

LOL!

If only they could manage socialism, the country wouldn't be such a mess.

The only succesfull management of socialism was the National Socialists (NAZIs). They had the most efficient economy in history. But look back and see what was lost to do so. Freedom. Socialism must be enforced by force in order to work. And even then it may fail as the Soviet Union did. Or it can also barely hang on as China and North Korea are. Europe is being hit hard by the fast decline as well. Ask Greece how socialism is working out for them.

And yes, I will chill on the politics. But I think it is directly related to the original post. It is the why and how that brought this new legislation.
 

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Uh, what? Fierce protection of the intellectual property of private sector companies is communist now? If Obama was communist he'd decide that all art (films, music, games etc) belonged to the people and the US would have the rampant and unchecked piracy of media and designs that you see in communist China.

More anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of capitalism
Less anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of communism
 

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BlueStar said:
Uh, what? Fierce protection of the intellectual property laws of private sector companies is communist now? If Obama was communist he'd decide that all art (films, music, games etc) belonged to the people and the US would have the rampant and unchecked piracy of media and designs that you see in communist China.

More anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of capitalism
Less anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of communism

It is not about about the piracy itself. It is about control of the intenet content. Take note that they will now be able to monitor searches and browsing. And they will be able to prosecute what they see fit. He does not care about big companes loosing profits. A judge ruled that sites like Bittorrent could not be policed by the government. It was ruled that it was against free speech. Obama is going around this and trying to make the internet a government run utility, giving him the right to dictate what he wants to be on it. The Fairness Act is the objective, not stopping piracy.
 

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There is nothing that Obama has done in terms of the internet and piracy which was not also being pursued by the Bush administration. For both this administration and the last the problem has been that Obama and Bush are both far too staunch in their support of private big business. When your problem with Obama is that he's being too right wing in his support for big business, the answer to that is not to vote for a far right party like the GOP.

Also, National Socialists are socialists in the same way that the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy.
 

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luckwii said:
George Dawes said:
"communism is here"? in the usa?

LOL!

If only they could manage socialism, the country wouldn't be such a mess.

The only succesfull management of socialism was the National Socialists (NAZIs). They had the most efficient economy in history. But look back and see what was lost to do so. Freedom. Socialism must be enforced by force in order to work. And even then it may fail as the Soviet Union did. Or it can also barely hang on as China and North Korea are. Europe is being hit hard by the fast decline as well. Ask Greece how socialism is working out for them.

And yes, I will chill on the politics. But I think it is directly related to the original post. It is the why and how that brought this new legislation.
How is China barley hanging on? America's debt to them is hundreds of billions of dollars.
 

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BlueStar said:
There is nothing that Obama has done in terms of the internet and piracy which was not also being pursued by the Bush administration. For both this administration and the last the problem has been that Obama and Bush are both far too staunch in their support of private big business. When your problem with Obama is that he's being too right wing in his support for big business, the answer to that is not to vote for a far right party like the GOP.

I agree this is not only derived from the bowels of Obama. And I also agree, a vote for the Republicans is not a valid solution.
 

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Control of the media is not a right vs left thing anyway. It's an 'up vs down' totalitarian vs libertarian thing. You see people on the right wanting to ban plays about Jesus being gay just like you see people on the left wanting to ban racist hate sites.
 

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BlueStar said:
More anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of capitalism
Less anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of communism
But the type who see "reds under the bed" like to claim everything is the fault of communism. Even the things caused by the massive flaws in the capitalist economic system.


QUOTE(luckwii @ Jun 24 2010, 02:09 PM) The only succesfull management of socialism was the National Socialists (NAZIs).
The NSDAP (or NAZIs if you prefer) weren't in any way socialist. Quite the opposite, they were a fascist party.

Communists/socialists/anarchists were interned and murdered by the nazis, just like the jewish, gay and romany/travellers. They got a red triangle to mark them as "political prisoners".

I find it quite offensive that you claim they were socialist.


You have absolutely no clue what is going on in europe - most of europe has higher standards of living for the poorest, the lowest differential between the highest paid and the lowest paid. Free healthcare at the point of delivery in the vast majority of countries.

Basically a fairer place to live for all. Yeah, ask a euro how well it is going. Then ask a american on minimum wage who can't even afford to goto the doc to be looked after.
 

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George Dawes said:
BlueStar said:
More anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of capitalism
Less anti-piracy legislation = moving in the direction of communism
But the type who see "reds under the bed" like to claim everything is the fault of communism. Even the things caused by the massive flaws in the capitalist economic system.


QUOTE(luckwii @ Jun 24 2010, 02:09 PM) The only succesfull management of socialism was the National Socialists (NAZIs).
The NSDAP (or NAZIs if you prefer) weren't in any way socialist. Quite the opposite, they were a fascist party.

Communists/socialists/anarchists were interned and murdered by the nazis, just like the jewish, gay and romany/travellers. They got a red triangle to mark them as "political prisoners".

I find it quite offensive that you claim they were socialist.


You have absolutely no clue what is going on in europe - most of europe has higher standards of living for the poorest, the lowest differential between the highest paid and the lowest paid. Free healthcare at the point of delivery in the vast majority of countries.

Basically a fairer place to live for all. Yeah, ask a euro how well it is going. Then ask a american on minimum wage who can't even afford to goto the doc to be looked after.

Sorry to offend you but, yes, the NAZIs were the National Socialist party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
 

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luckwii said:
Sorry to offend you but, yes, the NAZIs were the National Socialist party.
Just because they are named the National Socialist Party doesn't mean they actually were socialists.
 

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