Hacking Might be years for another Kernal exploit (5.0+ firmware)

[Technicmaster0]

Just wanted to take a quick look at this timeline:
Nintendo 3DS came out February 2011.
Between Feb 2011 to Dec 2012 (22 months), no kernel exploits discovered. Firmwares 1.0 to 4.0 don't yield anything interesting.
December 2012, Neimod discovers a big one, but brags about it. Tech news sites, blogs, and forums fill with speculation and chatter. It quickly catches Nintendo's attention.
Neimod, realizing the jig is up, quietly sells exploit info to a Chinese team (allegedly), who end up making the Gateway.
Before Gateway is even announced, Nintendo already found the exploit and patched it in less than 3 months with update 5.0 (March 2013).
August 2013, first flash cart comes out with Gateway promising "support for 6.x+ soon", which we know is not possible.

Another note:
Firmware 4.1 came out in May 2012, and the exploit was discovered in late December 2012. It took over 7 months for it to be found (assuming Neimod was searching since May 2012).

Nintendo are going to be meticulous with future updates, not risking another exploit "slipping through" like they did in the 4.1 update. So the chances of a kernel exploit for 5.0 and above anytime soon is very slim.
I don't understand the logic behind people here who say "I'll just wait for an exploit for my 6.1 3DS". It's not going to happen.

That's not fully correct. Yellows8 discovered the exploit, not Neimod. Neimod didn't sell the exploit: It was avaible on 3dbrew for a year - visible for everyone and as far as I know this exploit wasn't discovered by Neimod OR Yellows8.

 

[WulfyStylez]

What makes me sort of suspicous is people who are hacking/cracking things like 3DS but then say 'well I figured it out but I refuse to release it to the scene because I don't want my work used for piracy'. Makes no sense really. Their work is required for both homebrew and piracy, but they won't release it to the crowd interested in bringing homebrew.......and yet mysteriously a 'pirating' device like Gateway shows up. So I think these people that do find exploits that claim they won't release them very likely do sell them to or join teams (for money) such as Gateway.

Just a theory and I really don't give a damned as hey $$$ talks and BS walks.....I just find it a bit odd. Look at guys like C4ever (I realize he has probably made mega money in donations) and GeoHot who have truly released their work for free, add DarkAlex and WiiGator to that list as well. These are the real 'heroes' of the scene and guys that just post videos and act like they have something but you can't have it sort of annoy me....keep it to yourself and sell it to the HK crowd. If you aren't goig to share then don't go dangling carrots in our faces!

People have found loads of exploits, Gateway targets a particularly public and easy to reproduce one. It makes sense we don't have a public exploit right now - there's nothing legal to develop for it with.
If we released a working hack to launch homebrew, we'd be stuck compiling with the CTR_SDK and all our apps would be illegal to download. The same boat the 360 scene is and original Xbox scene was in.
People share because, hey, they did a thing using limited resources and they're proud. They're not really obliged to release it. Maybe the point is to make others who would want to release figure it out themselves.

 

[SaintBahamut]

if you ask me, 2 years is nothing to crack a system, especialy a one that changes dynamicaly
this things take time (and luck too),

patience is a virtue

 

[lambstone]

If you aren't goig to share then don't go dangling carrots in our faces!

It's something called a Power Trip. It has existed since the dawn of time.

 

[tHciNc]

Dark Alex made a lot of money behind closed doors, dont worry about that lol, Doesnt really matter to the 4.5 peeps, once gw port their patches to 6.3, we can just do whatever via the emunand, but i like many others, dont see a new kernel exploit in the near future, 1 in nearly 3 years is pretty good, and im sure people have looked and looked and tested and tested on the higher fw's

 

[Deleted-236924]

Hopefully this exploit would support the ramble pack.

That's not fully correct. Yellows8 discovered the exploit, not Neimod. Neimod didn't sell the exploit: It was avaible on 3dbrew for a year - visible for everyone and as far as I know this exploit wasn't discovered by Neimod OR Yellows8.

Aren't you contradicting yourself there?

 

[WulfyStylez]

Dark Alex made a lot of money behind closed doors, dont worry about that lol, Doesnt really matter to the 4.5 peeps, once gw port their patches to 6.3, we can just do whatever via the emunand, but i like many others, dont see a new kernel exploit in the near future, 1 in nearly 3 years is pretty good, and im sure people have looked and looked and tested and tested on the higher fw's

There's a handful of known exploits that are still in the newest firmware, they're just being sat on since the 4.5 one's pretty much good enough for now.

 

[Rinth]

did neimod found it by coincidence or did he real searched? if it was coincidence i think we'll need the same coincidence like back then. and having such chances are slim to (nearly) not existing

but on the orter hand it would be possible that a 6.xx exploit is found tomorrow cuz who knew at 28 may that the next day a 3ds flashcart would be announced which can really play 3ds games and wouldn't stuck on 72%

Yeah. It may be anywhere between tomorrow and the end of time. Nobody knows when it will be found, at all. I don't think that even Gateway will ever have an ETA for higher firmware exploit.

Anyone who want to jailbreak really should consider selling their higher version 3DS and get a lower version one.

 

[WiiUBricker]

There's a handful of known exploits that are still in the newest firmware, they're just being sat on since the 4.5 one's pretty much good enough for now.

Proof?

 

[CJL18]

There's a handful of known exploits that are still in the newest firmware, they're just being sat on since the 4.5 one's pretty much good enough for now.

Stop making stuff up noob!

 

[Kakkoii]

It's already been stated many times that the current exploit still exists up to current firmware.... Someone just has to do the work to get a hack like Gateway's working on a newer firmware, since most addresses are drastically changed up and it may need to be approached in a different way. There is more to deal with in the newer firmwares, but the exploit is there. Gateway is supposedly working on it as well, and so far they seem to be keeping with their promises (even if it does take them long)

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

The PS3 will never be hacked they said...

The 3DS will never be hacked they said...

3DS wont be hacked again they said...

 

[Dork]

Proof?

The proof is in the pudding.

 

[tHciNc]

What makes me sort of suspicous is people who are hacking/cracking things like 3DS but then say 'well I figured it out but I refuse to release it to the scene because I don't want my work used for piracy'. Makes no sense really. Their work is required for both homebrew and piracy, but they won't release it to the crowd interested in bringing homebrew.......and yet mysteriously a 'pirating' device like Gateway shows up. So I think these people that do find exploits that claim they won't release them very likely do sell them to or join teams (for money) such as Gateway.

Just a theory and I really don't give a damned as hey $$$ talks and BS walks.....I just find it a bit odd. Look at guys like C4ever (I realize he has probably made mega money in donations) and GeoHot who have truly released their work for free, add DarkAlex and WiiGator to that list as well. These are the real 'heroes' of the scene and guys that just post videos and act like they have something but you can't have it sort of annoy me....keep it to yourself and sell it to the HK crowd. If you aren't goig to share then don't go dangling carrots in our faces!

C4ever is basically what keeps people like Team Executer and Team Jungle is business, he would definately fit into the $$$$$ equation

 

[Rinth]

The PS3 will never be hacked they said...

The 3DS will never be hacked they said...

3DS wont be hacked again they said...

Even to this day PS3 can only be hacked when the firmware is 3.41-3.55. Sure, it can support games requiring higher firmware via CFW similar to emuNAND that will be available with Gateway 2.0, but ultimately higher firmware cannot be hacked without a firmware downgrading. The downgrading of PS3 firmware requires both specialised hardware and soldering, so it's anything but user-friendly. Further, this downgrading method was only recently discovered. For many many years the only way to jailbreak a PS3 was to get a fat PS3 with firmware below 3.55, and for a long time still the only CFW available was for 3.55.

I feel that it's unlikely that a hack for a higher firmware version will be found any time soon, if at all. It's much more likely that some method of downgrading will be found. However, it probably won't be very user-friendly. The simplest solution is definitely selling and buying a new 3DS with 4.5 firmware, instead of waiting.

 

[CJL18]

Even to this day PS3 can only be hacked when the firmware is 3.41-3.55. Sure, it can support games requiring higher firmware via CFW similar to emuNAND that will be available with Gateway 2.0, but ultimately higher firmware cannot be hacked without a firmware downgrading. The downgrading of PS3 firmware requires both specialised hardware and soldering, so it's anything but user-friendly. Further, this downgrading method was only recently discovered. For many many years the only way to jailbreak a PS3 was to get a fat PS3 with firmware below 3.55, and for a long time still the only CFW available was for 3.55.

I feel that it's unlikely that a hack for a higher firmware version will be found any time soon, if at all. It's much more likely that some method of downgrading will be found. However, it probably won't be very user-friendly. The simplest solutio
n is definitely selling and buying a new 3DS with 4.5 firmware, instead of waiting.

This and better do it before holidays

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

As long as the updates come swiftly for new games to be compatible Im happy on 4.5

 

[WulfyStylez]

Even to this day PS3 can only be hacked when the firmware is 3.41-3.55. Sure, it can support games requiring higher firmware via CFW similar to emuNAND that will be available with Gateway 2.0, but ultimately higher firmware cannot be hacked without a firmware downgrading. The downgrading of PS3 firmware requires both specialised hardware and soldering, so it's anything but user-friendly. Further, this downgrading method was only recently discovered. For many many years the only way to jailbreak a PS3 was to get a fat PS3 with firmware below 3.55, and for a long time still the only CFW available was for 3.55.

I feel that it's unlikely that a hack for a higher firmware version will be found any time soon, if at all. It's much more likely that some method of downgrading will be found. However, it probably won't be very user-friendly. The simplest solution is definitely selling and buying a new 3DS with 4.5 firmware, instead of waiting.

PS3 is hacked on any CFW, you just dump your existing flash, even if it's on the newest FW, and patch and reflash it. It's been that way for almost two years.

 

[Rinth]

PS3 is hacked on any CFW, you just dump your existing flash, even if it's on the newest FW, and patch and reflash it. It's been that way for almost two years.

Of course PS3 is hacked on any CFW! However, you can only install CFW on an OFW below 3.56. You also make dump and flash sound so easy. You need to buy a flasher and do some soldering. Just how many people even have a soldering kit just sitting around at home? http://psx-scene.com/forums/f263/ultimate-fool-proof-guide-ps3-hardware-downgrading-104398/

 

[WulfyStylez]

Of course PS3 is hacked on any CFW! However, you can only install CFW on an OFW below 3.56. You also make dump and flash sound so easy. You need to buy a flasher and do some soldering. Just how many people even have a soldering kit just sitting around at home? http://psx-scene.com/forums/f263/ultimate-fool-proof-guide-ps3-hardware-downgrading-104398/

Most new PS3s can have their flash read and written with a clip - I've done it quite a few times. A bit beside the point though. Maybe once we have 4.5 thoroughly torn apart, we can look for loopholes in the upgrading process to downgrade newer consoles. Certainly not in the way that the PS3 can do it (with all its private keys calculated), but maybe something can work.