How to dump your own 3DS/DS games/saves.

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    How to dump your own 3DS/DS games/saves.

    There's three different ways to dump your own 3DS/DS games/saves.
    (The tools used to dump 3DS/DSi games are not currently public.)
    • WiFi
      • PROS
        • Only needs a Slot-1 card.
      • CONS
        • Needs WiFi set up to let the DS connect, which isn't always possible.
        • Needs you to run a server program on your computer, which might mean you need to dig around in your firewall settings.
        • Slow transfer speeds (hours for the larger games).
        • Will not work on a DSi/XL.
        • Does not work with any DSi games.
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    • Slot-2
      • PROS
        • Can be done without wireless.
      • CONS
        • Requires a Slot-2 flash card in addition to a slot-1.
        • Won't work if the internal battery is dead.
        • Will not work on a 3DS/DSi/XL.
        • Does not work with any DSi games.
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    • Hardware
      • PROS
        • Backs up any save.
        • Fast backup speeds.
        • Doesn't require a specific DS model.
        • Works on all known DS games AND current-known 3DS games.
      • CONS
        • Doesn't dump the ROM.
        • Requires you to buy some hardware.
        • Uses unsigned drivers, so you may need to fiddle with some windows settings to use it.
        • Does not work with DSi games.
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    One final note: piracy is bad, don't do it. These programs and instructions were created for the legal owners of DS games to backup the games and save data.


    Many thanks to Xastabus and FAST6191 for filling in the missing information.
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    Okay, got as much done as I can.

    I only have a DSi, so I'm unable to finish the slot-2 instructions (as all I found seem to assume the instructions in the tool are enough to go by, but I can't run the tool).

    Halp plz.
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    From what I've heard Rudolph's tools have an issue with not fully dumping the header, which Wood Dumper does, so I've read that Wood Dumper is the preferred tool for dumping the actual game... but for dumping the save I'm sure people would appreciate not having to set up a server.

    I assume this is just one where you enter a specific address (local IP of the DS) into your computer's browser?
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    Not fully dumping the header means the part of the header which later got used but before then was 00 filled. By and large though I believe it is irrelevant for all current devices/implementations- certainly before a bunch of roms were redumped they worked great.


    "Slot2/GBA slot..... # Will not back up your DS game saves."

    Wood Dumper might not but rudolph's does, there are a handful of DLDI dumpers, a handful of even older ones built for certain carts/against a premade library and even some old ones that dump to the SRAM of a cart.

    Pokemon (the ones with pokewalker ones at least) might trouble things (then it troubles many things) as it has the save memory hidden behind another chip (they use the lines for the pokewalker and have the binary ask for the save section. Apparently that is sorted though http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthrea...kup-HG-SS-saves and you also have hardware level mods you can do http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=215641
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    I'd choose Wood Dumper simply because it's simpler and needs less setup, and yes I have that HG/SS dump tool linked as an alternative.

    Which tool to dump saves to a Slot-2 is Rudolph's? They all have such similar names, it's confusing.

    As for the tool Yab linked, the readme says it's the same set-up-an-FTP-server-on-the-PC as the current save dump tool does.

    Christ this stuff is confusing. Wish they wouldn't use such similar names.

    EDIT: Okay I updated the first post with as far as I got before I became totally confused.

    What is what later than what in the what now?

    EDIT2: Okay, Rudolph's for the 3-in-1... is there none for other Slot-2 tools?
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    Rudolph made several tools-
    one for the 3 in 1
    one for the DLDI capable Slot2/gba slot range
    one or wifi/FTP

    All got updates as various things happened (or simple refinements)

    All are capable of messing with saves- in the case of the GBA slot stuff when you first load it up (after you have the cart to be dumped you get a save dumping screen, press R once to get to the save restoration screen and press R again to get to the rom dumping screen.

    before you press R twice to go to the rom dumping "tab", press it again and you get to the save dumping "tab" or something along those lines.
    If you want saves there are also things like savsender http://www.pocketheaven.com/ph/wiki/SavSender that work over wifi and are a bit more robust than the rom dumping side of things.

    There are other tools but no need to link them up as they are older and long since out of play (Rudolph's tools filled a very big gap in DS homebrew capabilities when they were released as before that there was nothing that worked on the newer devices of the time).
    If you really want to link a SRAM tool up then http://nds.cmamod.com/download.html
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    So the tool that's linked now will do it, just the instructions need to be updated to reflect that?
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    By the way rudolph's is up on filetrip http://filetrip.net/f826-DLDI-DS-romsave-dumper.html although I am not sure if it is the latest version.
    Also http://filetrip.net/f13096-Wood-dumper-too...slot-2-r20.html has a GBA slot version.

    I am not sure where you want to head with this guide though- there are "simple" methods but much like all of technology if you want to go in depth you can and it pays off fairly early on here.

    Equally it would probably be good from to amend your examples to include something along the lines of "anything that has a DLDI patch"- no need to direct people to getting supercards (if you are buying such a thing you might as well get something that plays GBA games as well).

    As a rough outline

    GBA slot devices. There are two methods here (personally when detailing things I usually split this in two). One uses the 3 in 1 expansion pack and the other uses a DLDI capable GBA slot device.

    3 in 1
    These are easy to find and fairly cheap to boot- originally they were made to allow those who just wanted a handful of GBA games to have the option without paying out for a full on and more expensive GBA slot flash card.
    As DS roms are considerably larger it will involve swapping things around and also NOR memory on the 3 in 1 is quite slow compared to other memory types (like SD cards).
    Your stuff on the 3 in 1 is fine though.

    DLDI capable GBA slot devices
    Before the rise of the DS slot flash card people used GBA slot devices that had ?SD/CF card slots to run DS code - these are less common these days and a bit more expensive but you can still find M3 cards, supercards and EZ4 cards if you look around for long enough.
    Do read up on them though as some can not play GBA games that well- supercards in general have bad or non existent GBA functionality, EZ4 lite compact has limited and the m3 professional has limited. To my knowledge no DLDI autopatching was ever done for GBA slot stuff (not sure about supercards though) so consider having to do it a default (if you really want there is a way to DLDI patch stuff in DS code).

    As these simply sit in the GBA slot and have lots of memory (or at least the potential for it) you can simply copy an entire DS rom at more or less SD card write speeds (certainly even the largest rom would struggle to go over 10 minutes).

    Wood dumper slot 2 is the chosen program for dumping roms these days.
    http://filetrip.net/f13096-Wood-dumper-too...slot-2-r20.html

    Assuming Wood dumper is not capable of saves then a paragraph on rudolphs kit might be in order.
    http://filetrip.net/f826-DLDI-DS-romsave-dumper.html
    When you first load it up you get a save dumping screen, press R and you get a save restoration screen, press R again and you get a rom dumping screen (it should produce a working dump for non TWL stuff but it will not have "all" the data (it is one of the reasons Wood dumper was made).

    In the end a DLDI capable GBA slot cart is the superior method for the common man to dump DS games and saves. Obviously proper dedicated hardware is the best (and if I am correct it is the only thing that can "properly" dump TWL games) but that is not so common.

    If by some chance someone has say an old EZ2 or something of that vintage there are options to dump saves using the SRAM of said cards but wifi with something like savsender is probably easier to set up in this case though.


    Also "Requires a Slot-2 flash card in addition to a slot-1."- run flashme and you can dump games without ever having a DS slot flash cart grace your DS. This being said that is not so much an issue these days as nobody who cares for the latest and greatest really rocking a GBA slot device as a front line flash card any more.
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    Okay, updated.

    Are the instructions for Wood Dumper the same as Rudolph's? I assumed so, so that's what I put.

    Do you happen to have the instructions for the save tool used for Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver?
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    No the wood dumper is considerably simpler (I probably should have mentioned it first time around)- you run it (after DLDI patching), it instructs you to put in the game and you press A
    After this you watch numbers (of bytes dumped) go up

    On the root of the card will be a rom named for the date, time and four letter serial code part.
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    The wifi version of rudolph's dumper is as easy to use as wood dumper.
    switch game, press a, then ftp to the ip address that is displayed.
    the main difference is that is makes a directory with the rom and save.

    I don't know if it fixed that header problem since I just use wood dumper, it's still great for saves though.
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    @FAST6191: Corrected the instructions, thank you again.

    @yab: You're talking about the WiFi dumper I have listed to back up saves? It will work with the DS as a server like Wood does?
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    Yeah, although not the one you linked to, the newer one that is here.
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    That's the one where you run a server on the PC that the DS connects to...
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    Is there a size limit for dumping on a Slot-2? I would assume so...
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    Nah, it dumps to NOR, then transfers that to the SD, dumps to NOR again, transfers that chunk to SD... then puts it together at the end.
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    On firefox 4 (maybe later versions of firefox 3 I don't know) port 21 is blocked.

    So to get past that type "about:config" and search for "network.security.ports.banned.override" if it exists add port 21 if not right click in the window and select new-->string and use "network.security.ports.banned.override" as the name and 21 as the port.
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    Added info, thanks. It's not in recent versions of 3.

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