Hardware Do you think 3DS sales will continue to slump?
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Foxi4 said:
Impossible to say, because the average consumer isn't interested in specs, they're interested in games.
The Gameboy wasn't as powerful as the Lynx or Game Gear, the GBA wasn't as powerful as the N-Gage, the DS wasn't as powerful as the PSP. I imagine Nintendo knows what it's doing.
machomuu said:
Entertain me then and post 1 contemporary mobile device with a price exceeding 200 bucks that uses a processor of the ARM11 architecture and under 1Ghz clock speed, which is exactly what the 3DS sports. We don't have exact FLOPS or Mhz values, but we're not blind - we can see this is barely a step forward from the PSP. After you're done with that, post 1 mobile device that utilizes a Quadcore CPU and a Quadcore GPU which also happens to be mobile. Facts, not opinions.
LOL.Rockstar said:
Anyway to the rest, NGP specs, price and games will be known at E3, so chill
More 3DS games as well.
Foxi4 said:
Only if you think "not as powerful as something else" equals "underpowered."
It's powerful enough to run the games that are made for it. The Gameboy was probably less powerful than a decent scientific calculator, but it was powerful enough to become an icon of gaming.
BlueStar said:
There are three types of developers.
Developer #1 looks at the competition and does all it possibly can to push the bar higher, even if the costs that come with this are ridiculous. This is Sony.
Developer #2 looks at the competition and releases hardware that is top-of-the-line, up-to-date and perfectly capable of running titles for now and for the nearby future, but doesn't try to re-invent the wheel with technology from outer space and a gajizillion of SPU cores for every possible calculation including wiping the player's behind, opting for the standard down-the-mill 3-Core'd tried and true architecture. This is Microsoft.
Developer #3 relies on its fanbase and gives it exactly what they want, completely disregarding the fact that the fanbase is 95% morons who don't really know what they want until it kicks them in the face, and still, they won't accept it unless it has the seal of their favourite company on it. They're pushing their hardware to the very limit, but only because they want to lower the manufacturing costs. This is Nintendo.
Obviously this is a large generalization here, but I'm sure you caught the gist of what I'm trying to say.
Sales will spike when the big games like mario kart/ super world gets released. Just wait when there's a pokemon game for the 3DS that will skyrocket the sales ;p
heartgold said:
...you mean the re-release of Pokemon XD which didn't sell all that well in the first place?
I stopped expecting "revolutions" from the Pokemon franchise around the Pearl era.
Ugh... The 3DS will be fine. The only reason sales are "slumping" is because Nintendo is intentionally holding back the titles that will sell millions of 3DSs by themselves. Nintendo is giving other developers a two month window to make their mark, that was the deal. In reality, Nintendo probably shouldn't have been so kind - just look at everyone here, moaning and complaining and spelling Nintendo's doom for it.
As for what kind of developer Nintendo is, they're smart. You'd have to be stupid not to see that consoles will only ever be able to become so powerful. At a certain point in time, they'll reach the limit and from then on it won't matter how many CPUs you put in or how many GHz they can pull. Certain people here seem to misunderstand Nintendo's approach of pacing themselves to extend the lifeline of consoles, it seems. Unlike Sony and Microsoft, they're not rushing ahead. They're not releasing consoles that are more powerful for the sake of being more powerful, like Sony and Microsoft.
The only reason people bought a PS2 after the PS1 was because it was more powerful. The only reason people bought a PS3 after the PS2 is because it was more powerful. Functionally speaking, the PS3 plays games no differently to the PS1. They might look worse and have more loading screens to boot, but there also isn't anything in terms of games the PS3 can do that the PS1 couldn't as well. Microsoft is no different. They don't care about releasing consoles that add to gaming, they just care about release something they can sell.
At least Nintendo makes a conscious effort only to release consoles when they're certain it has a hook worth selling. They have their "gimmick" (which proves to be nothing of the sort as Sony and Microsoft race to be the first to copy it), but they also improve the hardware as well. You get a device that maybe isn't as powerful as its competitors, but it includes unique aspects that they don't have and you're guaranteed that Nintendo will always have room for improvement next time. By the time Sony has released the PSP4 and realises they can't release a PSP5 because it wouldn't make any difference, Nintendo will still have three or four handhelds to make. Then, 20 years later when they're in the same position as Sony, they'll just go in a completely new direction.
People here seem to forget that Nintendo actually knows what they're doing. This is their market. Sony and Microsoft aren't really reliant on it, so they can take liberties with it. They can make stupid moves like Sony not protecting PSN like they should, or Microsoft not making sure their 360's don't die with alarming frequency. They can have their little arms race, because they know they've nothing to lose if the market crashes and burns. Nintendo has to keep the market alive for as long as possible, so pacing themselves is exactly what they have to do - they were here long before Sony and Microsoft and they will still be here long after those two have left. For the market to continue existing and prospering, Nintendo has to do what they can to slow down the progression of its hardware.
As for what kind of developer Nintendo is, they're smart. You'd have to be stupid not to see that consoles will only ever be able to become so powerful. At a certain point in time, they'll reach the limit and from then on it won't matter how many CPUs you put in or how many GHz they can pull. Certain people here seem to misunderstand Nintendo's approach of pacing themselves to extend the lifeline of consoles, it seems. Unlike Sony and Microsoft, they're not rushing ahead. They're not releasing consoles that are more powerful for the sake of being more powerful, like Sony and Microsoft.
The only reason people bought a PS2 after the PS1 was because it was more powerful. The only reason people bought a PS3 after the PS2 is because it was more powerful. Functionally speaking, the PS3 plays games no differently to the PS1. They might look worse and have more loading screens to boot, but there also isn't anything in terms of games the PS3 can do that the PS1 couldn't as well. Microsoft is no different. They don't care about releasing consoles that add to gaming, they just care about release something they can sell.
At least Nintendo makes a conscious effort only to release consoles when they're certain it has a hook worth selling. They have their "gimmick" (which proves to be nothing of the sort as Sony and Microsoft race to be the first to copy it), but they also improve the hardware as well. You get a device that maybe isn't as powerful as its competitors, but it includes unique aspects that they don't have and you're guaranteed that Nintendo will always have room for improvement next time. By the time Sony has released the PSP4 and realises they can't release a PSP5 because it wouldn't make any difference, Nintendo will still have three or four handhelds to make. Then, 20 years later when they're in the same position as Sony, they'll just go in a completely new direction.
People here seem to forget that Nintendo actually knows what they're doing. This is their market. Sony and Microsoft aren't really reliant on it, so they can take liberties with it. They can make stupid moves like Sony not protecting PSN like they should, or Microsoft not making sure their 360's don't die with alarming frequency. They can have their little arms race, because they know they've nothing to lose if the market crashes and burns. Nintendo has to keep the market alive for as long as possible, so pacing themselves is exactly what they have to do - they were here long before Sony and Microsoft and they will still be here long after those two have left. For the market to continue existing and prospering, Nintendo has to do what they can to slow down the progression of its hardware.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's probably why they're experiancing NET losses half-way through the fiscal year. First time in 7 years, I might add.
I'm glad they're holding back their non-existant "good" titles you claim they have.
You seem to be missing my point, Wintrale. A console developer is supposed to make a console that'll not only appeal to the gamers, but also to the developers. When a developer can't spread its wings in a given envioriment, he knocks on the door of the competition. Why, oh why do you think we don't have all too many good titles for the Wii? Because it *can't* pull the good titles off.
If you're a mammal, chances are you have a Wii. The chances that your Wii GATHERS DUST are equally great.
PS1 = First Disc-Based console system
PS2 = EyeToy, DDR mats, USB support, DVD support (something Nintendo STILL doesn't quite grasp, even though the Wii is perfectly capable of DVD playback), Keyboard support
PS3 = Six-Axis and Move, BlueRay support, exceptional Online capabilities including f.e Video Streaming, PSP 2 PS3 connectivity taken to the next level, unlike the typical "download a demo" routine of the DS 2 Wii.
Righty-o, I also see little innovation or change here.
Ugh, bored. There are too many holes in your logic to poke. Swiss cheese comes to mind.
I'm glad they're holding back their non-existant "good" titles you claim they have.
You seem to be missing my point, Wintrale. A console developer is supposed to make a console that'll not only appeal to the gamers, but also to the developers. When a developer can't spread its wings in a given envioriment, he knocks on the door of the competition. Why, oh why do you think we don't have all too many good titles for the Wii? Because it *can't* pull the good titles off.
If you're a mammal, chances are you have a Wii. The chances that your Wii GATHERS DUST are equally great.
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PS1 = First Disc-Based console system
PS2 = EyeToy, DDR mats, USB support, DVD support (something Nintendo STILL doesn't quite grasp, even though the Wii is perfectly capable of DVD playback), Keyboard support
PS3 = Six-Axis and Move, BlueRay support, exceptional Online capabilities including f.e Video Streaming, PSP 2 PS3 connectivity taken to the next level, unlike the typical "download a demo" routine of the DS 2 Wii.
Righty-o, I also see little innovation or change here.
Ugh, bored. There are too many holes in your logic to poke. Swiss cheese comes to mind.
heartgold said:
Mystery Dungeon prints money almost well as the main series does now, why do you think PMD2 got a third version?
I fail to see how 3.6 million in 1 week in the US and EU, and just over 1 month in Japan is a slump.
Right now it's in the DS Phat period.
That didn't sell great until Nintendo were able to show people that it could have great games on it.
When that happens 3DS, will be in DS Lite territory, and it'll be selling millions per hour.
Right now it's in the DS Phat period.
That didn't sell great until Nintendo were able to show people that it could have great games on it.
When that happens 3DS, will be in DS Lite territory, and it'll be selling millions per hour.
Echoing what others have said, there will be a huge spike after Zelda and Mario come out, right now there just isn't enough games to entice people besides those of us who wanted it for the wow factor.
As for the NGP, I firmly believe it will be a repeat of the DS vs PSP... especially if it launces at ~400$, which I think it will.
As for the NGP, I firmly believe it will be a repeat of the DS vs PSP... especially if it launces at ~400$, which I think it will.
That doesn't make it fact, it's still opinion. A fact is undeniable proof with 0% bias.Foxi4 said:
Heed my word for I am a crazy prophet!
Or just listen to my logic and see why not?
I agree with most of the people here, the 3DS sales will increase when they release there signature games (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and so forth) BUT it WILL NOT be a huge increase because HTC/ SAMSUNG/ LG are coming out with there own glassless 3D phones this year using the exact screens as the 3DS uses.
I doubt the 3DS will be able to compete with a Android app store filled with cheap 3D gimmick games. They better roll out there signature titles soon before 3D apps start rolling into the Android app store.
Alternatively, the release of 3D games/ 3D Phones on the Android might also increase sales of 3DS because for the people who buy a 3D phone and want to buy into the 3D gimmick the only other console out there that has glassless 3D is the 3DS.
Or just listen to my logic and see why not?
I agree with most of the people here, the 3DS sales will increase when they release there signature games (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and so forth) BUT it WILL NOT be a huge increase because HTC/ SAMSUNG/ LG are coming out with there own glassless 3D phones this year using the exact screens as the 3DS uses.
I doubt the 3DS will be able to compete with a Android app store filled with cheap 3D gimmick games. They better roll out there signature titles soon before 3D apps start rolling into the Android app store.
Alternatively, the release of 3D games/ 3D Phones on the Android might also increase sales of 3DS because for the people who buy a 3D phone and want to buy into the 3D gimmick the only other console out there that has glassless 3D is the 3DS.
I don't think it will matter that much since the 3D advertising for the 3DS doesn't seem to be much of a priority. That and those aren't gaming systems.shareyou said:
I'm tired of people trumpeting the 3DS HW like it's God. Like hell it's even close to NGP level. You might as well be arguing that the DS had better specs than the PSP, or that the Wii was more powerful than the PS3.
You're Nintendo gamers. Surely you should be used to this by now. You buy Ninty stuff for the games, not for the power. ...Or because you've always bought Nintendo games and will go to any length to convince yourself that this is the right course of action.l It well may be, but you're only fooling yourself
You're Nintendo gamers. Surely you should be used to this by now. You buy Ninty stuff for the games, not for the power. ...Or because you've always bought Nintendo games and will go to any length to convince yourself that this is the right course of action.l It well may be, but you're only fooling yourself
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