Hacking Bad Form, SoftMii Crew

[NeoDraven]

The topic in which I was previously addressing Skarface05 has been closed, so it appears I need to take this to a new topic so that people can get their say in the matter.

Skarface; you are one of the most prominent members of the SoftMii Crew. At least, you were the only one to post a link to download your (free) software, embedded in a Paid Download link, requiring people to sign up for an offer to get to the download itself. It is to you that this topic is directed.

You dodged my point when I said that server costs to host your tiny, under 50MB RAR file, could not ever reach the range of $500. You said you wouldn't grace that comment with an answer.

So, how about some transparency, friend? Can you explain to me what monumental server costs that SoftMii.org is incurring, to require you to use an entrapment method of providing your files to the users?

Better yet; explain to me, if you would, why you wouldn't at least tell people that they link they were clicking was one in which they would have to provide an email address and complete an offer before being allowed to download your (free) files?

Doesn't that seem deceptive to you? Doesn't that sort of have the same theme as a bait-and-switch tactic?

Are you really so arrogant that you couldn't have simply told the community that you were offering a download link which requires participation on the part of the downloader, and that the reason was to help support server costs (which, as we've discussed, are negligible for your tiny file, which easily could be hosted at no cost on Rapidshare/Megaupload)?

What kind of balls does it take for you to seriously think no one would take offense at that tactic?

You have insulted this entire community and have stained the entire team of SoftMii.org. When one of your accusers confronts you, the topic gets closed. That's the reason I made this one; you already saw how everyone in the scene completely immolated you in the other topics. That's why you edited it, with the lame excuse that, "Everyone thought it was a scam".

Kid, if you had TOLD people that you just wanted a hand, you would probably have had people tripping over themselves to contribute, either through offers or through PayPal donations. I think I speak for most of us when I say that your method is insulting to all of us, and a transparent attempt to recoup your "losses" and your "sacrifice".

I eagerly await your swift and honest answer.

 

[ether2802]

Complains are definetly out of place in the HACKING section

if you are don't want to support the softmii.org page don't download thru the offer thingy page and
SHUT DA FUCK OFF
got it..??

 

[Alexrose]

Oh wow, Ether is a really cool guy.

Cough cough.

This is directed at Skarface and I doubt he'll read it isn't in this section

 

[jacklaidlaw]

Complains are definetly out of place in the HACKING section

if you are don't want to support the softmii.org page don't download thru the offer thingy page and
SHUT DA FUCK OFF
got it..??

The reason its in the hacking section as that is where the original thread was

got it...??

 

[Deleted User]

lol, in a sentence, this is what the whole content is supposed to be about:

Please, flame me. I'm your not-average basement nerd

 

[twofive]

I would give them a 2 GB unlimited traffic free quality hosting on high speed root server in Germany if they stop publishing paidlinks.
Interested? PM me. (Only SoftMii!)

 

[fukseliten]

well , it seriously unprofessional to use links like that , yes . This isnt porn we are looking for here , but he can do what he wants..
I wonder if any of the original developers of the tools in that bundle would get any of the money

and yes , rapidshare works fine for these transfers .

Anyhow , you can dl it directly , only people who want to support them in that strange way need to do so

 

[nIxx]

What are your problems you can download on there site without paying everything.

 

[ether2802]

Complains are definetly out of place in the HACKING section

if you are don't want to support the softmii.org page don't download thru the offer thingy page and
SHUT DA FUCK OFF
got it..??

The reason its in the hacking section as that is where the original thread was

got it...??

yes but the title of that thread was about softmii, not about:

"......well why are you doing this to us, we want everything functioning flawless, better than if Nintendo have it released, and of course, since is hacking, FREE, I am not going to support any coder cause they HAVE to do it freely and help all the way to us the users........"

that's a complain and THIS is not the section for doing this, send him a PM and I'm sure he'll read it, ok..?? I'm not mad because it is or not free, I don't even care about it, I just don't like people like you using this section to post their personal problems and/or opinion about others, got it...???

 

[jacklaidlaw]

Complains are definetly out of place in the HACKING section

if you are don't want to support the softmii.org page don't download thru the offer thingy page and
SHUT DA FUCK OFF
got it..??

The reason its in the hacking section as that is where the original thread was

got it...??

yes but the title of that thread was about softmii, not about:

"......well why are you doing this to us, we want everything functioning flawless, better than if Nintendo have it released, and of course, since is hacking, FREE, I am not going to support any coder cause they HAVE to do it freely and help all the way to us the users........"

that's a complain and THIS is not the section for doing this, send him a PM and I'm sure he'll read it, ok..?? I'm not mad because it is or not free, I don't even care about it, I just don't like people like you using this section to post their personal problems and/or opinion about others, got it...???

i dont care if you like it or not you aint a mod or an admin so stop telling people how to behave

got it..??

 

[NeoDraven]

My entire point was to place this topic in the same forum as the original, paid-link download post by Skarface.

This is not a whining post, demanding, "I can haz free Wii loaderz, nao!" If you had any reading comprehension, you would have noticed through the several questions that I posed, my point was to have Skarface to tell us why he felt the need to basically trick people into signing up for an offer site, when the free download link was readily available.

It's about ethics and tactics. I would have never had a problem with his post in the first place, had it not been ambiguous and deceptive.

The ultimate point, ether, is that when it comes down to profiting off of your work, or even breaking even, the way to go about it is not to lure people into something blindly. I pay more in taxes than you make in a month, kid. I pirate and hack consoles as a hobby; not because I can't afford the games. I spend more time hooking up my less-fortunate friends than I do getting games for myself, but I don't charge them (not even for the discs), and I most certainly don't trick or deceive them.

This post was about honesty; I feel like the SoftMii crew has a certain reputation. Kids trust them with their gaming systems, and for most kids, mommy isn't about to plunk down another $250 so little Jimmy can keep pirating his games, if he bricks his Wii. When a prominent member like Skarface proves that he's not above lying to the community (even if it's a lie by omission), that taints the entire team's reputation, and makes them all suspect.

Look how many people said something to the effect of, "I am removing SoftWii and sticking with Gamma and the HBC because of the shit Skarface pulled". I saw no less than half a dozen posts regarding that exact statement.

And, finally, YES, this is the internet. Arguing about this IS probably pointless. Don't really care what you think, really; I personally think dishonesty is a base and low thing for weak-minded people to do, whether it's over something that matters, or even a little issue like a deceptive link for a Wii soft-mod kit. So, I tie this directly back to the last statement I made. What happened to honesty?

I still most eagerly await your input, Skarface.

 

[kitt050383]

Please Read and lets put an end to all of this!:

The link was made to help with server costs not to make money...
People always say I'm, willing to donate but they never do.
You act as if you have a right in the decision making process when you don't...
Can you offer up a nice opinion yes it's very welcome..
Flameing however is not.. Nor is the cursing or the attacks on skar.
Honestly what has this forum come to.
Softmii team releases a nice package to help out others. Something they don't make money on. they take time out of their own lives to do this and guess what, you actually profit for it.
You use the software (maybe you do maybe you don't) You download it from the servers they have to pay for...

Yes the Torrent idea I personally think is good, but it's an option the team does not want to use at this moment in time... So guess what just live with it...

So basically what I'm saying is lets all stop the flameing and get back to what this forum is supposed to be about... All questions have been answered and the ones that haven't most likely will never be answered.

Let's just move on!! the links gone end of story...

No use crying over spilled milk!

-Kitt050383
Can find me @: #SoftMii irc.efenet.org

Edit:
I would also just like to say you could have put just about any e-mail address in the box at the old link.. wink wink

... Then you just click submit and the download link appears at the top of the box you didn't have to fill out any offers... The problem allot of people were having is allot of people have addblockers on and it messed things up... (Add Blockers not spam filters!)

 

[NeoDraven]

*Facepalm.

I wonder why no one gets the point that I am trying to make. No one is disputing that the SoftMii crew deserves recognition and probably even compensation for their efforts. The entire argument is the methods that Skarface used.

If I were flaming someone, please believe me when I say that I would have been tremendously more vicious; this is not a flaming post in the slightest. It is a specific request for an answer from Skarface, personally, as to why he would pretty much make the SoftMii crew out to be lying money-grubbers, instead of being upfront and honest with the community that they are serving. I can say that if I was on that team, I'd feel pretty salty about someone pissing on my reputation like that.

Since Skarface obviously will not address his detractors, then my point was made by silence better than any response he could have offered. The rest of us will just be more suspicious of any future offerings that he is involved with, or any posts or links that he creates.

I would just hope that the rest of the SoftMii crew would at least pay attention to this debacle, so that the same mistake isn't repeated in the future.

 

[Forsaekn]

If you don't like it, make your own.

It's their right to distribute it how they see fit, and in my opinion (knowing how much work it takes to do this sort of thing first hand) they are well within their means to collect small advertising sums however they chose to maintain development and distribution of work.

Truthfully I was surprised at the download method, as its more of an annoyance than anything else...but don't you people support the work? do you not want what they provide? They already have the generosity to provide it to you free of all things.

So if you want it, click a link and fill a box with a fake email address. Tada.

Knock it off with the im offended posts. Could you possibly complain about something more insignificant...

Fors

 

[kitt050383]

1. it's not a mistake
2. silence means nothing.... (People have lives besides this forum you know)
3. Skar nor the Softmii team are not serving anyone...
4. Like I said that link was and is not your decision to make...
5. Just get over it already your constant posting of the same thing over and over makes you look like well just guess...

6. Everyone gets the point your trying to make... It's just that the majority of the people don't care as long as they get SoftMii...
7. It's now over....
8. Like I said before!:

No use crying over spilled milk!

-Kitt050383

If you have any other problems comments or opinions I invite you to kindly bring them to the Softmii Forums or the irc Channel and lets discuss it logically no spaming or flooding!

#SoftMii irc.efenet.org

 

[kitt050383]

If you don't like it, make your own.

It's their right to distribute it how they see fit, and in my opinion (knowing how much work it takes to do this sort of thing first hand) they are well within their means to collect small advertising sums however they chose to maintain development and distribution of work.

Truthfully I was surprised at the download method, as its more of an annoyance than anything else...but don't you people support the work? do you not want what they provide? They already have the generosity to provide it to you free of all things.

So if you want it, click a link and fill a box with a fake email address. Tada.

Knock it off with the im offended posts. Could you possibly complain about something more insignificant...

Fors

You go Fors!
-kitt050383

 

[MadBob]

never mind can't be arsed

 

[WaRMarinE]

Complains are definetly out of place in the HACKING section

if you are don't want to support the softmii.org page don't download thru the offer thingy page and
SHUT DA FUCK OFF
got it..??

The reason its in the hacking section as that is where the original thread was

got it...??

yes but the title of that thread was about softmii, not about:

"......well why are you doing this to us, we want everything functioning flawless, better than if Nintendo have it released, and of course, since is hacking, FREE, I am not going to support any coder cause they HAVE to do it freely and help all the way to us the users........"

that's a complain and THIS is not the section for doing this, send him a PM and I'm sure he'll read it, ok..?? I'm not mad because it is or not free, I don't even care about it, I just don't like people like you using this section to post their personal problems and/or opinion about others, got it...???

Owned, pasado de verga jajajaja.

Yes, i agree. You dont have to be upset about this, if you want to think that Softmii Team and Softmii Pack sucks go to their own forum at softmii.org at least.

I know that they should advice or something for getting a lil money to preserve the site but the fact that they tried to scam us isnt that hard, i went to the Softmii site to check and saw that the pack was totally free.

 

[fukseliten]

*Facepalm.

I wonder why no one gets the point that I am trying to make. No one is disputing that the SoftMii crew deserves recognition and probably even compensation for their efforts. The entire argument is the methods that Skarface used.

If I were flaming someone, please believe me when I say that I would have been tremendously more vicious; this is not a flaming post in the slightest. It is a specific request for an answer from Skarface, personally, as to why he would pretty much make the SoftMii crew out to be lying money-grubbers, instead of being upfront and honest with the community that they are serving. I can say that if I was on that team, I'd feel pretty salty about someone pissing on my reputation like that.

Since Skarface obviously will not address his detractors, then my point was made by silence better than any response he could have offered. The rest of us will just be more suspicious of any future offerings that he is involved with, or any posts or links that he creates.

I would just hope that the rest of the SoftMii crew would at least pay attention to this debacle, so that the same mistake isn't repeated in the future.

Remember ,these are just normal guys , not coders or hacker anything like that . They just put a bunch of other peoples tools in a package with a nice manual to make it easier for the n00bs to play backups .
Dont be so hard on them , they are probably not experienced in the ethics of most devs\coders when it comes to how to release stuff .

 

[MikeyTaylorGaming]

Alexrose and Jacklaidlaw... *FACEPALM MAXIMUM*

ether is a very helpful and respected person in this community and always has a good reason for his posts.

hence, dont try to argue with him as he'll be able to take you down with his vast knowledge lol

also, you are both a disgrace to england.

and i had to use 'facepalm' because i laughed my arse off when neodraven said it.