Homebrew Will 3ds ever get a 11.7/12.0

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So, what could bring a new firmware update ?

- A new hax being more easy and more accessible than NTRboot (or at best, a hax as accessible as those CFW installers for PSP)
- smea kexploits' release
- The end of something considered major for the 3DS (I expect it to happen with Miiverse's official death)

To be honest, we are at the console's end. Once the last Nintendo games will be out (and I expect Ultra S/M to be among the last ones), the only thing we will get are third party games trying to grab those last monies before moving on to the Switch. And while Ninty might pull up a Wii U and update the 3DS after some time, I think this Christmas is the end of it.
 
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So, what could bring a new firmware update ?

- A new hax being more easy and more accessible than NTRboot (or at best, a hax as accessible as those CFW installers for PSP)
- smea kexploits' release
- The end of something considered major for the 3DS (I expect it to happen with Miiverse's official death)

To be honest, we are at the console's end. Once the last Nintendo games will be out (and I expect Ultra S/M to be among the last ones), the only thing we will get are third party games trying to grab those last monies before moving on to the Switch. And while Ninty might pull up a Wii U and update the 3DS after some time, I think this Christmas is the end of it.
iirc they plan to keep support through 2019
 

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i hope it doesn't last long until nintendo ends 3ds support... these updates only serve the purpose of patching exploits, what was the last one that actually brought something new to the console?
 

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I just wonder if when they end support to the 3ds, it will make doing homebrew harder because we will have access to a lot less functions and applications than we have right now, or we will find a way to keep the things we need going,
 
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I just wonder if when they end support to the 3ds, it will make doing homebrew harder because we will have access to a lot less functions and applications than we have right now, or we will find a way to keep the things we need going,
iirc they dont plan to end for awhile...
 

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Yeah, they arent going to spend lots of effort, money, and time on an older, pretty-much obsolete trying to miraculously patch an exploit that there is pretty much no chance of patching.
 

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it will be supported but its not getting any big games anymore after usum but its still worth the purchase if you don't have once since the switch isn't backwards compatible and most pokemon games can be played on it where as the switch will only be able to play gen 8 when that comes. and maybe gen 3 vc and gen 4 vc
 

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I found that on 3DNUS if you type in "12.0.0-40U" for the USA region it will start to download some files. I really do not know if it is really 12.0 though.
 

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It is kinda pointless now there's magnethax with flashcart.
So no, don't think there will be updates.

The only reason I see for an update is the Nintendo Switch connectivity, which probably doesn't going to happen.
 

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I found that on 3DNUS if you type in "12.0.0-40U" for the USA region it will start to download some files. I really do not know if it is really 12.0 though.
It downloads the csv titlelist from yellows8's site and downloads the latest titles with that info.
That means you get 11.6, not 12.0.
12.0 is not on the CDN yet.
 

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How many of the latest 3ds updates actually updated anything?
They are not going to update anything that the end user sees. Just pointless anti homebrew updates. Maybe by now they've realized they lost and will stop pointlessly pushing updates onto innocent non homebrewers.

Hopefully they also realized that the Magnuson-Moss warranty act dictates that they need to provide warranty service even if the system has been modded. The FTC did go to the trouble of warning them after all. Unless they can prove that softmodding somehow caused a hardware issue they cannot refuse warranty services legally. Overclocking and then having the cpu burn out is the only situation I can think of where a warranty refusal would be lawful.
 

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How many of the latest 3ds updates actually updated anything?
They are not going to update anything that the end user sees. Just pointless anti homebrew updates. Maybe by now they've realized they lost and will stop pointlessly pushing updates onto innocent non homebrewers.

Hopefully they also realized that the Magnuson-Moss warranty act dictates that they need to provide warranty service even if the system has been modded. The FTC did go to the trouble of warning them after all. Unless they can prove that softmodding somehow caused a hardware issue they cannot refuse warranty services legally. Overclocking and then having the cpu burn out is the only situation I can think of where a warranty refusal would be lawful.
Actually, that's nowhere near valid. It's stated right on the warranty validity requirements that modifications, be it hardware or software, void the warranty. The Magnuson-Moss act you linked simply dictates that manufacturers MUST be clear when it comes to warranty legislations, as to not be misleading or omit important things/withdraw information from the consumer. Nintendo has included conditions in the system warranties, and like other console manufacturers (Microsoft, Sony, Sega, etc.) has always included a EULA, which when violated MAY void the warranty. However, tinkering with either the firmware or the hardware in an unauthorized manner always voids warranty as long as it can be proven.

If you think softmodding doesn't cause hardware issues, then you should really go do some research. ALMOST all bricks come from softmodding and they ARE a hardware issue. You don't have to tinker with hardware to cause hardware issues, if you softmod (or use external devices), you can get problems just as easily provided that you don't know what you are doing perfectly well.
 
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@ThoD Where did you study law?
Every lawyer I've heard speak about this subject has said that the Manuson Moss warranty act protects your right to modify a product and still receive warranty service as long as your modifications cannot be proved as causing the fault.
I see no reason to believe you over actual lawyers.
 

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@ThoD Where did you study law?
Every lawyer I've heard speak about this subject has said that the Manuson Moss warranty act protects your right to modify a product and still receive warranty service as long as your modifications cannot be proved as causing the fault.
I see no reason to believe you over actual lawyers.
Under the exact law you are talking about it's stated that the full warranty requirements are listed on it and warranty is valid as long as it's NOT the consumer's fault. However, ANY sort of modification can result in problems, reason warranties are automatically voided the moment you violate the conditions set forth by the manufacturer and listed in the corresponding warranty legislation. For example, if the "Warranty void if removed" stickers are not intact, you can't request warranty. Also, depending on the system, even softmod with no hardware modifications can cause problems. For example bricks or in cases like the Switch, messing up the proper functions (power management) and frying components (even slight changes to Switch's screen power management can fry it in not careful). You CAN prove whether the issue was caused by unauthorized modifications or not VERY easily. If you ran unauthorized firmwares and you have a firmware issue it is ENTIRELY your fault, so you don't get warranty, in the same way that hardware modifications and accidentally breaking something inside while performing them also voids it. It doesn't take a genius to understand that much.

And for the record, what you are saying is literally that warranty requirements are completely bypassed just because a law states that they should be clearly listed to ensure there are no cases of abuse by manufacturers. There are ALSO laws protecting them instead of just customers you know. If conditions are listed in warranties, breaking those conditios voids the warranty, whether that caused the issue or not, because you weren't using the system AS INTENDED.
 
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