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London Terror attack.
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you need terrorism to fight terrorism
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sure, you can call them that. breivik qualifies as such tooAccording to your logic, Dylann Roof and James Holmes aren't terrorists?
Boko Haram is Islamic! Boko=books/education Haram=forbidden.hm now I'm scared because extreme christians exist
So you are really afraid of extreme Christians blowing themselves up next to you or beheading you for saying something against Jesus?
Yeah right.
Also the your BBC link says nothing about suicide bombings etc in other countries. I'm a selfish person: As long as the Buddhists of Myanmar don't kill people in the streets of the whole world and in my country, I don't care that much. It's pathetic you need to make these comparisons to defend Muslims/your faith. Your link even says "Of all the moral precepts instilled in Buddhist monks the promise not to kill comes first, and the principle of non-violence is arguably more central to Buddhism than any other major religion."
BTW the word "radical" comes from radix = roots (Latin). The roots of Buddhism = Buddha, the roots of Christianity = Jesus, the roots of Islam = Mohammad. Therefore every reformation attempt will fail unless we paint Mohammad as a peaceful man (which he wasn't since the beginning of the Islamic period, i.e. Medina).
What I said makes sense.
The mantra Islam has nothing to do with Islamism makes no sense. It's like saying alcohol has nothing to do with alcoholism or race nothing racism or sexism nothing to do with sex/gender.
Of course there are bad people in every religious community. But it literally makes no sense to claim that somebody always wanted to blow himself up and uses Islam as an excuse. No, he was motivated by Islamic teachings of paradise/martyrdom.
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It's not that they "always wanted to blow themselves up", it's that they are unstable in the first place and religion is an easy target to **** with and use as a half-assed justification
I'm just tired of non-muslims acting like they understand our society better than we do. I agree with your point, but my point is that the Islam discourse is currently not applicable. We legit don't know anything about what went down here in London, and why I'm already hearing Islamophobic crap without reason already is honestly beyond me!
Thing is, there are such 'teachings' in all monotheist religions. And please, Muhammad isn't even the only prophet in Islam. If you did know Islam you would know that Quran also tells about Jesus, Moses etc. And that you can find in Quran the exact opposite of Jihadism. Anybody could take random violent sentences in Torah or New Testament or whatever and build a Christian pendant of Jihadism from scratch. And the problem is that you think terrorists etc. are Muslim in the first place, and that's a huge mistake. In France, young 'radicalized Muslims' who go blow themselves up in Syria are at 50% not Muslims in the first place. There are fragile atheist, Jews, Christians who get convinced by nasty people to convert themselves to what they are taught is Islam and fall in Jihadism.
Most informed comment I've seen on this thread.
darlin, i wish it was the end.
They won't stop until they get what they want:
Thats why narco is still running wild here.
And thats why there will be more attacks, sadly.
I'm late but, I'm fairly sure Brighton isn't near London. Let alone "right next to" London.
I'm pretty sure you have Hove, Hastings, Bexhill, Polesgate and more between London and Brighton...
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dont forget burgis hill hassocks ect ect ect lol its still near london how the hell is it not ? ok not exactly right next to london i take that back .
Sorry if this thread is too old but I just noticed your response. Let me comment on a few things:
1) You use the word Islamophobia. I find it funny how in Paris after the terror attacks people went to the streets demonstrating that they are not afraid, people said they need to be united, they are against Islamophobia blabla. Then all of a sudden there is a suspicious noise and EVERYONE keeps running like a herd of sheep from a few wolves. That's pathetic. Every time I see terror attacks on the news I sarcastically say "Look at these Islamophobes running away. Don't they know Islam is a religion of peace?"
2) You claim I don't know about Islam. Actually I read the Quran several times, as well as significant portions of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, as well as common commentators like Ibn Kathir. What about you? I didn't read in Arabic but there are good websites with word by word translations, explanation of grammar etc. I know about the differences between translations (which one is more exact etc) and if I want to know about a specific phrase, I don't shy away from checking and comparing up to 10 translations in different languages.
3) You say that "such teachings" can be found in all monotheistic religion. Yes and no. I'm not here to defend other religions. In a way you are right, all monotheistic religions have a tendency to exclude members of other religious, show intolerance and have a history of or a fantasy about violence. Not sure about Zoroastrians (traditional Persian religion) but they are irrelevant today anyway.
BUT Islam is unique. Martyrdom in Christianity meant (and means today in African / Middle Eastern countries) to die for your faith. E.g. Muslims catch you and hold a knife to your head. Will you deny Christ? According to the New Testament, you should not. You get killed for "his glory" and go to heaven.
Roughly 600 years later the Quran comes along and says "They fight in the name of Allah, they slay and are slain" (+ various sayings by Muhammad e.g. that he would love to die in Jihad, be resurrected and die in Jihad again and so on). -> Killing and being killed for your faith. The Quran even allows its followers to deny being a Muslim in a dangerous situation (which is smart).
Christian history adopted the "killing for your faith" idea during the crusades (which by the way was a pathetic counter attack after hundreds of years of losing territory to the Muslims, see today's Near East and North Africa), but they have nothing to do with the original founder (be it Jesus or Paul) of the religion. So reforms always have a chance to make Christianity peaceful again. Reforms cannot make Islam peaceful because Islam was violent from the beginning (Islamic time reckoning starts with Medina, i.e. Muhammad gets political/military power). Muhammad: powerful and therefor violent. Jesus/Paul: powerless (and therefore?) peaceful.
4) The only way for Islam to become peaceful is to relativize it. Not surprisingly secular Muslims have less motivation to kill and get killed. For the vast majority of Christians (at least in the west) the thought of dying for Christ by not denying him seems stupid and horrific. Very few Christians would actually go out and leave their family and property to live a life as a poor wandering missionary - even though that's what Christ taught and how Jesus/Paul lived! Similarly most Muslims actually prefer THIS life.
5) Which brings me to converts: As you correctly stated, many radical Muslims have become radical only a few years/months/weeks before dying for their faith. That's natural! Converts in all religions feel like they have to prove themselves.
As for those who had been "bad Muslims" before (i.e. drinking alcohol, partying etc): Once they get radicalized they realize how much bad deeds they have collected. They don't know if they can make it to heaven even if they become very devote from now on. Some are so desperate that they die in Jihad as it is a guaranteed ticket to paradise.
-> So yes, Islam has a lot to do with it. People who love this life (e.g. rich people) have less incentive/motivation to die for their faith but without the Islamic belief (which I just mentioned) people don't become suicide bombers. Do you know how many poor Hindus there are in India? How many poor Buddhists all over South-East Asia? How come they are not constantly in the news because they blew themselves up? Social exclusion is only one piece of the puzzle - albeit it an important one. The other one is Islam.
Looking forward to your response.
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...what the shit is wrong with you ppl I thought this thread was archived what the shit looking at this thread makes me want to fight someone irl STOP BRING THIS THREAD TO LIFE AND LET IT FREAKIN DIE FOR GOD'S SAKE WTH... I am done with this bs no matter what I try to do nobody on this dang site is going to change their freakin mind bc that is what they think is right and I learned that the hard way... ppl won't change unless SOMEONE changes their heart and we humans cannot do that so we wont try if they themselves are not interested so some mod or dev or who ever the hell just lock this thread it is probably giving cancer to everyone who reads this
We could also just rename this thread as "terror attacks". The topic keeps being up to date.
You say you want the topic to be closed and that it give you cancer. Could it be that you can't accept a different view from your own? You just clicked on the like button for some posts you agree with. Then you read mine and couldn't handle it (?) You know who else censores criticism of Islam? The Sharia and most Islamic countries.
Just a thought.
You say you want the topic to be closed and that it give you cancer. Could it be that you can't accept a different view from your own? You just clicked on the like button for some posts you agree with. Then you read mine and couldn't handle it (?) You know who else censores criticism of Islam? The Sharia and most Islamic countries.
Just a thought.
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Islamophobia =/= mob mentality panic, nor vice versa. It is rational to want to run away from an explosion. It is irrational to fear that the dark-skinned guy in the turban a few paces behind you is going to be the cause of one
If this were the definition of Islamophobia, I'd agree with you.
Sadly, Islamophobia = any criticism of Islam or Muhammad. That's how I perceive it.
Islam is not a race btw. I'm just as scared of a Sharia supporting white guy as an Arabic person. And yes, I'm scared of the Sharia. Does this make me phobic? Depends on the definition of phobia.
I think everyone should be wary of Sharia law. Keep in mind though that that means governed by religion, so one could say that some of the right wing politicians here are inadvertently supporting their own version of it
And please keep in mind that Islam includes a spiritual AND political dimension. Christianity was born in total political impotence (Jesus had no power at all, nor had the first generations of Christians until Constantine in the 4th century). Religion and political power always leads to trouble.
Ironically the western countries have always (since right before the Afghan-Soviet war) supported the radical Muslims over the secular ones. You remove a secular dictator and you get religious wars and persecution of minorities.
Did you know that Iran had a secular democratically elected president in the 50s? USA didn't like him -> gone -> US puppet was finally overthrown by radicals (called Iranian revolution).
what i did was wrong i reverted to islam for the sake of marrying (or was going to) my best friend but in itself oddly it nearly radicalized me in the way of anger and disowning my entire family (that was on top of mental issues) I'm aitheist once again but that time with my ex put a huge strain on my family they saw what she was doing to me and i dismissed their claims though my hatred for trump and the republicans remain (for obvious reasons) I patched up with my loved ones and what does my ex do start looking for the next idiot to manipulate i mean marry
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