US experiences two more mass shootings in less than 24 hours; 8chan's founder calls for site closure

[Hanafuda]

Makes no sense that all of the focus is on 'mass shooting' events. Not only does all the media attention just hype the next psycho incel's dreams of finally getting noticed, but the number of deaths caused by such mass shootings is miniscule compared to actually criminal-related, gang-related, drug-trade related gun violence. 46 people were shot and 7 killed in Chicago over the same weekend these 2 shootings occurred, and nobody blinks. And the difference is that the shootings in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St.Louis, etc. just keep on the next day, and the next day, etc. It's an inner-city plague perpetrated mostly with shitty "Hi-Point 9mm" pistols, the cheapest of the cheap piece-of-shit handguns (they do function, though). Banning certain types of rifles isn't going to do shit to the overall gun violence situation.

 

[Xzi]

Makes no sense that all of the focus is on 'mass shooting' events. Not only does all the media attention just hype the next psycho incel's dreams of finally getting noticed, but the number of deaths caused by such mass shootings is miniscule compared to actually criminal-related, gang-related, drug-trade related gun violence.

It makes total sense. Usually the victims of the shootings you're talking about are other criminals, gang members, or drug smugglers. Mass shooters often target people and places randomly and indiscriminately, and people want to know they'll be safe in public, rather than needing to wear a ballistic vest to Wal-Mart or the movie theater.

I like deGrasse Tyson, but as is typical for people with a lot of practical knowledge, he's often lacking in common sense. We do quite a lot as a society in an attempt to avoid all those other types of unnecessary deaths. We've done nothing as a nation to address gun violence basically ever, and it's a big contributor to two of the statistics he mentioned.

 

[Viri]

but the number of deaths caused by such mass shootings is miniscule compared to actually criminal-related, gang-related, drug-trade related gun violence. 46 people were shot and 7 killed in Chicago over the same weekend these 2 shootings occurred, and nobody blinks. And the difference is that the shootings in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St.Louis, etc.

Media doesn't care about those types of killings. Also, did you know, in Chicago 1600 people were shot this year alone? There will probably be a mass shooting in one of those cities tonight, but it'll never be reported outside of local news. But, hey, at least we'll get to hear about what school Patrick went to, and hear from Patrick Crusius' first grade school teacher!

 

[Xzi]

Also, did you know, in Chicago 1600 people were shot this year alone? There will probably be a mass shooting in one of those cities tonight, but it'll never be reported outside of local news.

So we can agree that we have a long way to go in addressing gun violence and the causes behind it. This is not a valid excuse to continue doing nothing.

 

[Viri]

So we can agree that we have a long way to go in addressing gun violence and the causes behind it. This is not a valid excuse to continue doing nothing.

I think the violence in a mass shooting like yesterday felt more like a terrorist attack than what goes on in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. But, I think the media should talk about those cities more. I like to imagine the people in those cities feel hopeless, and that nobody really seems to care that a mass shooting happens nearly every night, yet nobody outside the city gives a shit. The only time the media gives a fuck, is if Trump says a negative thing about the city.

 

[Xzi]

I think the violence in a mass shooting like yesterday felt more like a terrorist attack than what goes on in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. But, I think the media should talk about those cities more. I like to imagine the people in those cities feel hopeless, and that nobody really seems to care that a mass shooting happens nearly every night, yet nobody outside the city gives a shit.

The media definitely deserves a share of the blame, but at the same time, they don't have the power to change anything. Some would say they already cover killings and shootings far too much. Covering them even more isn't going to compel politicians in the pocket of the NRA to act.

 

[tabzer]

politicians in the pocket of the NRA to act.

Are you talking about Chicago?

 

[Glyptofane]

The second shooting occurred in an entertainment district of Dayton, Ohio, leaving 9 dead and 27 injured in a mere thirty seconds before a police officer shot and killed the perpetrator. The gunman had two drum magazines with at least 100 rounds of ammo, and he was wearing a ballistic vest, mask, and protective ear muffs. The gunman's sister was among those killed, and the motive behind this shooting is not yet clear.

The motive is unclear because of his victims. His own sister and a bunch of black people kind of goes against his specific and extremist leftist ideology. We do know that he was fantasizing about a violent socialist revolution however. So we know why and what he was preparing for, but not quite what caused him to snap and slaughter his family and allies instead.

 

[Xzi]

Are you talking about Chicago?

No, I'm talking about nationwide. Chicago's problems do not occur in a vacuum, and they aren't isolated to the city limits.

The motive is unclear because of his victims. His own sister and a bunch of black people kind of goes against his specific and extremist leftist ideology. We do know that he was fantasizing about a violent socialist revolution however. So we know why and what he was preparing for, but not quite what caused him to snap and slaughter his family and allies instead.

There is some speculation that the entire shooting was a result of his attempts to control his sister and her dating habits. It's all still just speculation at this point, however. He didn't broadcast his motives to the internet beforehand as the El Paso shooter did.

 

[tabzer]

No, I'm talking about nationwide. Chicago's problems do not occur in a vacuum, and they aren't isolated within the city limits.

Your response was written to about Chicago's (and Baltimore's) relationship/representation in the media, and then you meandered jumped to politicians being in the NRA's pockets as if there was a direct correlation.

 

[Xzi]

Your response was written to about what Chicago's (and Baltimore's) relationship/representation in the media, and then you meandered to politicians being in the NRA's pockets as if there was a direct correlation.

There is a direct correlation. City and state politicians can only do so much in addressing the larger problem of gun violence, and Chicago is far from the only city where it's a major problem. As stated in the OP, there have been 251 mass shootings in 217 days of 2019. Since Sandy Hook, there have been over 2100 mass shootings. We need comprehensive action and legislation on a nationwide scale to address the problem of gun violence, not whataboutisms and attempts to deflect the blame to video games, the media, etc.

If Republicans truly believe mental illness is the primary cause of gun violence, they need to start putting forth some mental healthcare reform bills with national funding to match. I'm all for that.

 

[tabzer]

You seem more obsessed with guns than you care about violence.

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And you are using tragedy as an opportunity to stand on a soapbox.

 

[spotanjo3]

Don't be surprised. More will coming in the future. The future is getting much worse and more berserk than ever before!

 

[Xzi]

You seem more obsessed with guns than you care about violence.

The nation is obsessed with guns and has been since our founding. I personally own a couple, but I don't spend any time drooling over them. There's no debating that between suicides, mass shootings, and singular killings, guns and violence are intertwined heavily in the US.

And you are using tragedy as an opportunity to stand on a soapbox.

I have every right to express my opinions on the matter just as you do yours. I am getting sick of your attempts to start arguments based petty personal attacks, however. If you hate me and my opinions so much that you can't stick to the topic(s) at hand, you have the option of putting me on ignore or simply not participating in my threads.

 

[tabzer]

I have every right to express my opinions on the matter just as you do yours.

 

[Xzi]

I have every right to express my opinions on the matter just as you do yours.

Yes, the matter of gun violence and mass shootings. Not the matter of how much I unintentionally trigger you. Reading comprehension is important.

 

[tabzer]

You aren't triggering me. I just have opinions about how you post and try to be a copy-cat talking head. You can try to tell me what I should have opinions on.

You also called me a dick for doing something I didn't do. Are you going to apologize?

Reading comprehension is important.

 

[leon315]

Seems like our thoughts and prayers have lost all effect

USA needs to ban the guns, BAN ALL GUNS, and this is the price of LIBERTY and Democracy.

My friend.

 

[tabzer]

USA needs to ban the guns, BAN ALL GUNS, and this is the price of LIBERTY and Democracy.

My friend.

Straight to the point. Only if @Xzi opened with this.

 

[Xzi]

You also called me a dick for doing something I didn't do. Are you going to apologize?

Fuck no, you've only continued to demonstrate more dickishness since then. If you want YET ANOTHER mud-slinging contest, let's take it to PMs. It doesn't belong in this thread or any other.