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[POLL] Who are/would you vote for United States President?

Who are/would you vote for United States President?

  • Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

    Votes: 77 24.2%
  • Donald Trump (Republican)

    Votes: 127 39.9%
  • Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

    Votes: 26 8.2%
  • Jill Stein (Green)

    Votes: 21 6.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 67 21.1%

  • Total voters
    318
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How is it a joke? Unlike Stein he has experience along with Weld, is taking voters equally between both sides
That's a pretty low bar to compare Johnson to.

and unlike the other two is not hated by 50% of America.
I'm not hated by 50% of America, but they also don't know who I am.

Unlike Trump, he did not slam them as Gotcha questions and acknowledged he was human.
That doesn't make his responses any better.

Hell Clinton has made a ton of decisions that she has regretted such as war votes and her email usage (not saying it was illegal).
But at least she's competent enough to be president and interact with an international world.

Sure he has been averaged overall in polls around 8 percent but regardless this was well reported by the media and to say that it would not have affected him because he was at 8% is bs when he is in all the major polls and this had this event in major media attention.
His 8% support, give or take, is going to support him roughly no matter what. Look at you.
 

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His 8% support, give or take, is going to support him roughly no matter what. Look at you.
I doubt it. Likewise it probably will be where a good amount will drop off to support a big two party member come November. Plus I remember reading that only 3/10 or so third party supporters (Johnson, Stein, McMullins and so on) are completely set on their canidate while the rest are open to voting Big 2. I doubt 8% are Johnson till they die.

But at least she's competent enough to be president and interact with an international world.
Isolationist Johnson vs. Clinton? I go with Johnson on FP since unlike Clinton he is more of an isolationist while Hilliary is very much open to war historically and is one of the more hawkish democrats. Regardless I do worry about the idea of giving either Nuke em up Trump or 4-wars Hilliary control of the military.
 

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I doubt it. Likewise it probably will be where a good amount will drop off to support a big two party member come November. Plus I remember reading that only 3/10 or so third party supporters (Johnson, Stein, McMullins and so on) are completely set on their canidate while the rest are open to voting Big 2. I doubt 8% are Johnson till they die.
His 8% support, give or take
You are also an example of a Johnson-supporter unphased by his idiocy.

Isolationist Johnson vs. Clinton? I go with Johnson on FP since unlike Clinton he is more of an isolationist while Hilliary is very much open to war historically and is one of the more hawkish democrats.
I'm not fan of hawkish attitudes, but isolationism is just as stupid. At least Clinton knows at least one foreign leader by name.

Regardless I do worry about the idea of giving either Nuke em up Trump or 4-wars Hilliary control of the military.
One of those is infinitely better than the other, and I would trust Clinton over Johnson when it comes to foreign policy and international relations anyday. It's like he knows nothing about the rest of the world.
 

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You are also an example of a Johnson-supporter unphased by his idiocy.
I could of said the same about you and Hilliary but I didn't ;O . No truth be told I also really like Stein as well and would have considered Rand Paul or Ted Cruz if they had won.

I'm not fan of hawkish attitudes, but isolationism is just as stupid. At least Clinton knows at least one foreign leader by name.
Regardless our millitary presence in the ME in the last 50+ years really have made it worst. Regardless I would rather have someone who made a slip up then who wanted intervention 4 times (if not secretively more).

One of those is infinitely better than the other, and I would trust Clinton over Johnson when it comes to foreign policy and international relations anyday. It's like he knows nothing about the rest of the world
But it seems Clinton does not really know how blow back works
 

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I could of said the same about you and Hilliary but I didn't
When did Hillary make a fool of herself?

No truth be told I also really like Stein as well and would have considered Rand Paul or Ted Cruz if they had won.
Then policy is apparently irrelevant to you.

Regardless our millitary presence in the ME in the last 50+ years really have made it worst. Regardless I would rather have someone who made a slip up then who wanted intervention 4 times (if not secretively more).
While still a little hawkish, Clinton has acknowledged her previous mistakes. Johnson doesn't even know what's going on in the Middle East. They're two different issues. Bringing up another candidate's past and unrelated shortcomings doesn't reduce the other candidate's idiocy.

But it seems Clinton does not really know how blow back works
What?
 

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When did Hillary make a fool of herself
I was referring to the part that you most likely would vote for Hilliary no matter what and that you are by no means on the fence of picling who to vote for. But I would add the whole email situation is embarrassing for what it is worth since as she said it was a mistake on her part which in turn blew up.

Then policy is apparently irrelevant to you
I am a Libertarian in terms of my ideas and leanings. Out of Trump, Clinton, Stein and Castle my Isidewith is more with Stein then the other 3 and likewise after looking at their proposed policy, I must say that Stein is more inlined with my Libertarian views then the rest. Rand Paul likewise is very popular woth the libertarians and was the most libertarian of the big two parties and perhaps other then Johnson. Cruz? Well I am not fond of him but if I was in a true swing state sith a small margin I would pick him out of the big two.

It is a metaphor for the unintended consequences of the US government's international activities.
 
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I was referring to the part that you most likely would vote for Hilliary no matter what and that you are by no means on the fence of picling who to vote for. But I would add the whole email situation is embarrassing for what it is worth since as she said it was a mistake on her part which in turn blew up.
The email situation was a garbage non-story that was blown out of proportion. However, due to Clinton and Trump being my only actual options, you are right that I would give Clinton a lot of leeway if she were to do something silly.
 

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I'm not fan of hawkish attitudes, but isolationism is just as stupid. At least Clinton knows at least one foreign leader by name.
Johnson wasn't asked to name a foreign leader, he was asked to name one he looked up to. Johnson is a libertarian in a world full of socialists. Who's he supposed to look up to?
 

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Johnson wasn't asked to name a foreign leader, he was asked to name one he looked up to. Johnson is a libertarian in a world full of socialists. Who's he supposed to look up to?
First, he wasn't asked to pick a foreign leader he agrees with 100%; he was asked to pick a foreign leader whom he likes. Is he so much of a politician that he can't say a name without fear that he will ruffle some Libertarian feathers? Second, and by Johnson's admission, there are foreign leaders he likes but doesn't know their names, so your defense of him is moot.

And that is the same thing with the leader story.
The email story was hardly a disqualifying incident. The foreign leader story was, in my opinion. It shows at the very least that he's not at all prepared to be president.
 

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First, he wasn't asked to pick a foreign leader he agrees with 100%; he was asked to pick a foreign leader whom he likes. Is he so much of a politician that he can't say a name without fear that he will ruffle some Libertarian feathers? Second, and by Johnson's admission, there are foreign leaders he likes but doesn't know their names, so your defense of him is moot.


The email story was hardly a disqualifying incident. The foreign leader story was, in my opinion. It shows at the very least that he's not at all prepared to be president.
Of course. Ignoring the rules and doing whatever the fuck you want is to be encouraged, but not naming a foreign leader you look up to is damning. Too bad he couldn't tell us how much he loves Putin, then people wouldn't be able to say he doesn't know any foreign leaders!
 

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Of course. Ignoring the rules and doing whatever the fuck you want is to be encouraged
What she did wasn't unpresented, she didn't break any laws, and it didn't compromise security. So, I'm not sure what you're point is. It wasn't a great idea, but it certainly doesn't disqualify someone to be president.

but not naming a foreign leader you look up to is damning.
It's pretty bad when you cannot name a single foreign leader on the heels of not knowing what Aleppo was.

Too bad he couldn't tell us how much he loves Putin, then people wouldn't be able to say he doesn't know any foreign leaders!
Then he would have a different set of problems.
 

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The email story was hardly a disqualifying incident. The foreign leader story was, in my opinion. It shows at the very least that he's not at all prepared to be president.
The email story along with the other issues we discussed validate solid reason that Clinton to be disqualifying. The leader story? It was a slip up which Clinton has also made many of. I could use those past experiences of Clinton and say they are disqualifying and have no problem. To say you can overlock those faults of hers and then condemn Johnson is absurd.
 

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The email story along with the other issues we discussed validate solid reason that Clinton to be disqualifying.
See above. They don't.

The leader story? It was a slip up which Clinton has also made many of. I could use those past experiences of Clinton and say they are disqualifying and have no problem. To say you can overlock those faults of hers and then condemn Johnson is absurd.
I would like it very much if you could find something comparable to what Johnson said, preferably something within the last, say, four years.
 

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When did Hillary make a fool of herself?
  • All throughout the debate
    • When she denied calling the TPP "the gold standard of trade agreements," even though she did
  • When she was caught on camera fainting
  • When she claimed that she "had allergies" when she actually had pneumonia
    • When "she" hugged a young girl when she had pneumonia (in quotes because there were many signs that pointed to a body double being used)
  • When she claimed that she never broke any laws by using a private server, even though she did
  • When she supported (or at the very least, did not mind) the rigging of the primaries against Bernie (proven by her endorsement of DWS, despite knowing what DWS had done and had thought of doing), then expected and continues to expect Bernie supporters to vote for her, despite stabbing them in the back
  • When she defended Bill a long time ago on many occasions over the course of several months, saying that he was not having any affairs, only for Bill to start opening up several months later, and making her feel humiliated
  • When she expects black people to support her after her "superpredators" comment
  • When she expects people to believe that she will push to appeal Citizens United, as her campaign makes millions from it
And so on, and so forth...

For more examples on how your führer is not all she is cracked up to be, and why Jill is an infinitely better choice for our country, go here:

http://blackagendareport.com/great_debate_that_never_was
 

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What she did wasn't unpresented, she didn't break any laws, and it didn't compromise security. So, I'm not sure what you're point is. It wasn't a great idea, but it certainly doesn't disqualify someone to be president.
It was against policy. Fact. She did it anyways. Fact. Her claim was because she didn't want to carry two devices. The next week she was on Oprah beaming with joy at all the devices she loves to carry. Now she's feigning that it happened because she's technologically illiterate. And also was saying that she had Bill's old email server sitting in the cellar or something along those lines, so just had that hooked up; simple, right? Wrong, maintaining a private email server is a fucking pain in the ass. I'd looked into hosting my own private email server and even after all the pains of setting it up, it requires constant maintenance to keep up with security. It's not something you do on a whim and it's not something that just happens due to technological illiteracy.

It's pretty bad when you cannot name a single foreign leader on the heels of not knowing what Aleppo was.
Oh, look, the spin doctor's still at it claiming he can't name a foreign leader when that was not the case.
 

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  • All throughout the debate
    • When she denied calling the TPP "the gold standard of trade agreements," even though she did
  • When she was caught on camera fainting
  • When she claimed that she "had allergies" when she actually had pneumonia
    • When "she" hugged a young girl when she had pneumonia (in quotes because there were many signs that pointed to a body double being used)
  • When she claimed that she never broke any laws by using a private server, even though she did
  • When she supported (or at the very least, did not mind) the rigging of the primaries against Bernie (proven by her endorsement of DWS, despite knowing what DWS had done and had thought of doing), then expected and continues to expect Bernie supporters to vote for her, despite stabbing them in the back
  • When she defended Bill a long time ago on many occasions over the course of several months, saying that he was not having any affairs, only for Bill to start opening up several months later, and making her feel humiliated
  • When she expects black people to support her after her "superpredators" comment
  • When she expects people to believe that she will push to appeal Citizens United, as her campaign makes millions from it
  • She called the TPP the gold standard of trade agreements before it was negotiated and controversial.
  • Fainting isn't disqualifying.
  • She had both and never claimed that what was pneumonia was actually allergies.
    • If you did any reading, you would know she was not contagious.
  • She didn't break any laws using the server. It's why she wasn't indicted.
  • The primaries weren't rigged, and there's no reason to think she would have even been involved with it if they had been. Liking DWS doesn't demonstrate anything. That's a guilt by association fallacy.
  • So?
  • Her superpredators comment wasn't good, but it's not disqualifying, it was a long time ago, and it has no bearing on her policy positions. There's a reason why she has overwhelming support from the black community.
  • Having a super PAC in an election that necessitates it doesn't mean she doesn't want to repeat Citizens United. She's been very clear about it. Obama had a super PAC, but he wants Citizens United gone too, and he has nominated justices who would be likely to do just that.
It's like you're not trying.

It was against policy. Fact. She did it anyways. Fact. Her claim was because she didn't want to carry two devices. The next week she was on Oprah beaming with joy at all the devices she loves to carry. Now she's feigning that it happened because she's technologically illiterate. And also was saying that she had Bill's old email server sitting in the cellar or something along those lines, so just had that hooked up; simple, right? Wrong, maintaining a private email server is a fucking pain in the ass. I'd looked into hosting my own private email server and even after all the pains of setting it up, it requires constant maintenance to keep up with security. It's not something you do on a whim and it's not something that just happens due to technological illiteracy.
You can go back and read my previous posts on the email story, because I'm not going to do it again just because a Johnson-support is sad his candidate makes idiotic mistakes and needs to spin away from that. I've responded to I think each of these points. Some of your points are fair, albeit not disqualifying, and other points are garbage.

Oh, look, the spin doctor's still at it claiming he can't name a foreign leader when that was not the case.
I was very clear what I meant before that.
 
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