Hacking So shouldn't we call OOT a primary exploit?

Kyojin · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
You are putting the dividing line between buying 1 and 2 items. Why not instead put the dividing line between "buying some items" and "not being able to do it just by buying any number of items"?

Then by that definition, all entry points are primary. Following that reasoning, supermysterychunkhax is a primary entry point, because I could just go buy a Cubic Ninja copy and a Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon copy, then get ninjhax running in order to run the supermysterychunkhax installer.
Why would it matter that I had to get Cubic Ninja to get supermysterychunkhax running, huh? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As it was already said, the meaning behind primary is that you only need the game or app and NOTHING else (not talking about Internet access, of course). Secondary means that you need something else on top of the game or the app in order to get homebrew running.

Swiftloke · Jun 24, 2016

linuxares said:
OoTHax is a secondary, end of discussion. I really don't understand why this thread is going on.

This.

Jiro2 said:
That should mean it was once considered a secondary exploit, but then a way was discovered (Powersaves) to use it without another hack, so now it can be considered primary because of this new discovery.

But why should the definition be "secondary requirement that is separate from the game"?

You are putting the dividing line between buying 1 and 2 items. Why not instead put the dividing line between "buying some items" and "not being able to do it just by buying any number of items"?

Your logic reminds me of @hacksn5s4.
On a related note, this thread reminds me of this one I wrote a few months ago: http://gbatemp.net/threads/discussion-better-names-for-exploits.401809/

The Catboy · Jun 24, 2016

You seem to want to change the definition when it's already perfectly defined.
It's not a primary entry point because it requires a second hack/method to get it running. You either need a powersave to inject the exploit or another entry point to inject it. In other words, the entrypoint can only be made through a separate means, making it secondary.
Primary is just as it sounds, it doesn't require an exploited save file or another entrypoint to be installed. Basically, all you need is just the game itself to launch the exploit.

Now there is also terms between entrypoints you pay for and free entrypoints. Which is just that, paid entrypoints and free entrypoints.
There's no reason to change these terms when they already work for the current entrypoints.

Elveman · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
You are putting the dividing line between buying 1 and 2 items. Why not instead put the dividing line between "buying some items" and "not being able to do it just by buying any number of items"?

That's why freehax exploits (Tubehax/Browserhax as primary and Menuhax/Ironhax as secondary) exist. Primary entrypoints require manipulations through themselves (like, Cubic Ninja requires scanning QR code from within the... well, Cubic Ninja itself) and secondary entrypoints require another entrypoints/devices to be used (so, OOTHax requires Cubic Ninja, for example, because OOTHax can't be installed from within the Ocarina of Time)

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Kyojin · Jun 24, 2016

And really, if it's just the 3dbrew "definition" that bothers you, you can suggest a change, it's a Wiki that is maintained by the community, not some religious text that came to us from the sky or whatever.

Jiro2 · Jun 24, 2016

Kyojin said:
Then by that definition, all entry points are primary. Following that reasoning, supermysterychunkhax is a primary entry point, because I could just go buy a Cubic Ninja copy and a Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon copy, then get ninjhax running in order to run the supermysterychunkhax installer.
Why would it matter that I had to get Cubic Ninja to get supermysterychunkhax running, huh? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My suggested definition is that you need to be able to get the whole thing running without other hacks. Ninjhax is another hack. A Powersaves isn't.

Garro · Jun 24, 2016

I'm pretty sure every secondary exploit can be installed using PowerSaves, thus, your complain is to call every exploit, primary exploit. Which would be dumb, so no, let's not do that.

Elveman · Jun 24, 2016

If Powersaves is not a hack, what is the criteria for a 'hack'? You're hacking your save data with the help of this thing

ihaveahax · Jun 24, 2016

primary exploit only requires the game and console. secondary exploit is when it requires any other kind of hardware (including Powersaves/etc and other consoles). why is this so hard?

what should we call it instead? primary = browser or other freehax, secondary = game cards like cubic ninja/freakyforms, tertiary = oot/psmd/etc... just a random idea.

Jiro2 · Jun 24, 2016

Garro said:
I'm pretty sure every secondary exploit can be installed using PowerSaves, thus, your complain is to call every exploit, primary exploit. Which would be dumb, so no, let's not do that.

You are "pretty sure" of something for which you are mistaken. Because of the save encryption, or because the game is an eshop game, only OOT3DHax of the existing "secondary" exploits can be installed by Powersaves..

Deleted member 386348 · Jun 24, 2016

Primary = Game Card/Software only.
Secondary: Game Card + Hacked Console, Powersaves, or other hardware.

Jiro2 · Jun 24, 2016

Snowdori said:
Primary = Game Card/Software only.
Secondary: Game Card + Hacked Console, Powersaves, or other hardware.

When I'm questioning the definition it doesn't make sense to reply by quoting the definition.

Deleted member 386348 · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
When I'm questioning the definition it doesn't make sense to reply by quoting the definition.

Why does the definition not make sense? When you say "Powersaves isn't a hack", it's still external hardware. OoThax is still a secondary.

Tenshi_Okami · Jun 24, 2016

To make it more simple

Try to run OOT3Dhax without having a Powersave or another way to get into homebrew

You can't.

Hence the reason of SECONDARY!
You need to inject the save into the card!

When you find a way to get OOT3D to run homebrew without a powersave or another game with Homebrew access, tell me cause I'm sure everyone in here would love to know

tl:dr- OOT3Dhax is SECONDARY! It will never be classified as primary!

The Catboy · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
You are "pretty sure" of something for which you are mistaken. Because of the save encryption, or because the game is an eshop game, only OOT3DHax of the existing "secondary" exploits can be installed by Powersaves..

I am starting to feel like you are just trolling because you are either ignoring the answers you are getting or just don't care about them.
Let me break it down as simple as I possible can get so maybe you can understand.
It's a secondary entrypoint because it requires a secondary means of injecting the exploiting. Basically, because it requires either powersave or another homebrew entrypoint to get this entrypoint up and running, it's considered a secondary entrypoint. It doesn't matter if it's being made through powersave or another homebrew, it only matters that the exploit has to be injected through a secondary means.

A primary entrypoint does not require another means of executing the exploit. It just requires the game itself. No save file injection through powersave or another homebrew entrypoint.

Jiro2 said:
When I'm questioning the definition it doesn't make sense to reply by quoting the definition.

I don't get how the definition does make sense to you or how you can possibly not be understand when everyone is giving the same answer and as simple as they possibly can break it down.

Halvorsen · Jun 24, 2016

Question. Do you think Menuhax is a primary exploit?

Jiro2 · Jun 24, 2016

LinkSoraZelda said:
Question. Do you think Menuhax is a primary exploit?

No; you need something else that can run code in order to install it.

Deleted member 386348 · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
No; you need something else that can run code in order to install it.

OoTHax requires that as well.

Tenshi_Okami · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
No; you need something else that can run code in order to install it.

Same thing with OOT3D.

The Catboy · Jun 24, 2016

Jiro2 said:
No; you need something else that can run code in order to install it.

Then why is the OoTHAX even a question? ಠ_ಠ

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