It's my belief that when making a guide you make it for the lowest part of the group basically the noobz of noobs. This group will stop at any point during the guide if told they can but if you told them a quick pros and cons then at that moment they truly have a decision to make some people are completely new to the scene and won't know any better unless that information is handed to them in the face. Without that information they are not truly setting up what they really want because they don't know. Also I was talking about the software emunand tool it supports sysnand too and I wasn't talking about hardmods pure software from my experience they were the same using the same sdcard.
It's my belief that when making a guide you make it for the lowest part of the group basically the noobz of noobs. This group will stop at any point during the guide if told they can but if you told them a quick pros and cons then at that moment they truly have a decision to make some people are completely new to the scene and won't know any better unless that information is handed to them in the face. Without that information they are not truly setting up what they really want because they don't know. Also I was talking about the software emunand tool it supports sysnand too and I wasn't talking about hardmods pure software from my experience they were the same using the same sdcard.
Tbh, I doubt noobs give a sh*t about pros and cons. Most of them waltz in here, read "a9lh master race", think "oh I need to be in that group", make a WHOLE FREAKING THREAD about how to get to this "oh great and mystical land", and get told to follow "the guide". If they really cared, they could ask in their new created (and a waste of space) new thread or just Google it. For example, right now if I type in "3ds a9lh or menuhax" and click on the second link, I get a blog post from this site only a week old talking about why a9lh is superior to menuhax, And in the end, telling them pros and cons wouldn't matter b/c a9lh is superior in almost every regard to menuhax or anything prior to a9lh other than minor things like sd card booting. Btw, sorry if I'm being too passive aggressive.
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If you are such a noob to the scene that you are going to stop where it says you may stop if you want, it is probably best to do so until you get used to it. Even now, getting the OTP safely is still a somewhat complicated process, and if you arent on an o3ds, its even more complicated and risky. They should be able to read "go onto step 4 if you want to setup a9lh, if not, stop here" and know that they only have menuhax setup. Restoring sysnand requires you to either have a hardmod, or use decrypt/emunand9/some other tool with arm9 access. Emunand tool is exclusively for emunands, as I'm pretty sure it skips the first 512 bytes of whatever you are restoring the nand to because of partition data (or whatever its called, its too late rn and i dont feel like googling the name).
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That link offers no cons to either side, it just tells the reader that menuhax is a bad option because no gba/ds stability, emunand is a bad thing to consider sticking with (even though its still useful for certain things), and more a9lh master race worshiping (sticking to nice words). Noobs reading that will most likely not understand what is being said, and only take that they need a9lh to live.Tbh, I doubt noobs give a sh*t about pros and cons. Most of them waltz in here, read "a9lh master race", think "oh I need to be in that group", make a WHOLE FREAKING THREAD about how to get to this "oh great and mystical land", and get told to follow "the guide". If they really cared, they could ask in their new created (and a waste of space) new thread or just Google it. For example, right now if I type in "3ds a9lh or menuhax" and click on the second link, I get a blog post from this site only a week old talking about why a9lh is superior to menuhax, And in the end, telling them pros and cons wouldn't matter b/c a9lh is superior in almost every regard to menuhax or anything prior to a9lh other than minor things like sd card booting. Btw, sorry if I'm being too passive aggressive.
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If it wasn't recommend to people you'd be complaining about secrets being kept and elitism and some such stuff. The best method (not necessarily the easiest) will (and should) be recommended. That's just it, a recommendation, not an order to go away and DO IT! Menuhax was the recommendation when the ds profile was a perfectly good entry point, but no one was giving out about people recommending that.
If you're not comfortable going for a9lh that's your lookout, don't be ragging on those who were happy to give it a go.
If you're not comfortable going for a9lh that's your lookout, don't be ragging on those who were happy to give it a go.
Tbh, I doubt noobs give a sh*t about pros and cons. Most of them waltz in here, read "a9lh master race", think "oh I need to be in that group", make a WHOLE FREAKING THREAD about how to get to this "oh great and mystical land", and get told to follow "the guide". If they really cared, they could ask in their new created (and a waste of space) new thread or just Google it. For example, right now if I type in "3ds a9lh or menuhax" and click on the second link, I get a blog post from this site only a week old talking about why a9lh is superior to menuhax, And in the end, telling them pros and cons wouldn't matter b/c a9lh is superior in almost every regard to menuhax or anything prior to a9lh other than minor things like sd card booting. Btw, sorry if I'm being too passive aggressive.
I beg to differ there has been good posts in the past asking what's the difference and for the most part all they get is follow this guide it's better than menuhax just do it without any real information so adding it to the guide would be beneficial since they are most likely not getting it from the replies and for sure as hell most people are too lazy to look it up themselves and this is proven with legit cia questions, there is a sticky thread about them but we still get threads asking about it with a lot of misinformation floating around about them. It's cool I usually just ignore the passive aggressivenessbut that sometimes just makes people more angry but me what can I do about other than ignore it so it doesn't bother me, no worries.
It's actually really simple since otphelper handles everything for you, even the unbricking part for n3ds is done by the software now. Also you're right about emunand tool but holy crap that thing is super old I didn't even know it existed, I can see people using gateway using that but most people are not especially not after the next update for gateway, I know they said they want to stay away from sysnand but I highly doubt they gonna just let the open source keep getting ahead so they will have an option for it I think.
I agree it's the better option and should be recommended but no one is giving real information and having options is always a good thing. Recommending for the sake of just recommending is bad in my opinion it should be given with pros and cons as well as general information on both processes.
Not sure if you saw your respective edits but whatever
It's actually a lot faster and better in general to backup with an emuNAND since you can do it directly on PC with emuNANDTool, as mentionned by @ih8ih8sn0w. Maybe decrypt9 is enough for people with 1 system (so they can call their backups NAND1, NAND2, etc) but with 3 systems you need smarter names (to make the difference between your N3DS, your O3DS and your 2DS for example), which at least requires you to plug your SD card in your PC to rename your backups, so why not just backup directly on PC with the right name, which is only doable with emuNAND (or hardmod but I don't have any)?... Plus, if I fail with names and restore the wrong sysNAND backup to the wrong system (then I'm stupid, ok...) without the "keep a9lh option" (then I'm really stupid, ok...), I'm kind of screwed... which can't happen with emuNAND.
I completely agree that if emuNAND adds safety, it's extremely light. But seriously, I made a fork of arm9select to add multiple-key support and password support even though there is no one close to me who could touch my 3DS, so removing even a virtual bit of safety, I'll never do that
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So as might as well give my opinion since this thread is all about personal opinions.
I think a9lh got its well deserved fame by its superiority in comparison of menuhax(or even gateway) and its features. I dont think at all it's close to being hard and it's fairly quick for the end result. Thing is that there are still members who don't recommend and mislead newcomers to things like menuhax. I get it it might be easier initially. But 1 month later the noobs will return and ask "Hurr durr it takes 2 damn long it never boots how 2 fix?!?11????1!"
So its better for the noobs in the short and the long term to install a9lh as it's the best solution for them as it offers hacks on boot, eliminates the need for an emunand and eliminates the need for new threads as a9lh cfw are much harder to break. It's not that risky as some praise to be and its really really easy and not time consuming.
I think a9lh got its well deserved fame by its superiority in comparison of menuhax(or even gateway) and its features. I dont think at all it's close to being hard and it's fairly quick for the end result. Thing is that there are still members who don't recommend and mislead newcomers to things like menuhax. I get it it might be easier initially. But 1 month later the noobs will return and ask "Hurr durr it takes 2 damn long it never boots how 2 fix?!?11????1!"
So its better for the noobs in the short and the long term to install a9lh as it's the best solution for them as it offers hacks on boot, eliminates the need for an emunand and eliminates the need for new threads as a9lh cfw are much harder to break. It's not that risky as some praise to be and its really really easy and not time consuming.
I mean there are good posts with meaningful questions for the most part. I've answered quite a few of them myself, but the thing is like BECAUSE there's been so many posts, it shouldn't be awfully hard to look for some. And if they are too lazy to look it up, then they probably don't care as much as they think they do. An extra section of the guide explaining why it's superior to all other hax might be good, but in the end, all that's gonna happen is noobs will still come in here, make their stupid thread, and we'll redirect them to the newly created section of the guide put together to ward them off.
I would say a soooorta does... a little. I mean if you just read the menuhax+cfw part, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that "potentially unstable" is a bad thing or that "because of the above 4 things I said, it takes significantly longer to go from powering on the 3DS to your desired Home Menu" and that I would say, is a con.
Not sure if you saw your respective edits but whatever
It's actually a lot faster and better in general to backup with an emuNAND since you can do it directly on PC with emuNANDTool, as mentionned by @ih8ih8sn0w. Maybe decrypt9 is enough for people with 1 system (so they can call their backups NAND1, NAND2, etc) but with 3 systems you need smarter names (to make the difference between your N3DS, your O3DS and your 2DS for example), which at least requires you to plug your SD card in your PC to rename your backups, so why not just backup directly on PC with the right name, which is only doable with emuNAND (or hardmod but I don't have any)?... Plus, if I fail with names and restore the wrong sysNAND backup to the wrong system (then I'm stupid, ok...) without the "keep a9lh option" (then I'm really stupid, ok...), I'm kind of screwed... which can't happen with emuNAND.
I completely agree that if emuNAND adds safety, it's extremely light. But seriously, I made a fork of arm9select to add multiple-key support and password support even though there is no one close to me who could touch my 3DS, so removing even a virtual bit of safety, I'll never do that
Since I backup around 2 to 3 times a month I too need to change the names of my backups so what I do is make a back up and transfer it to my pc using data manager in system settings, I used to use an ftp homebrew and I now name them sysnand_a9lh_date made. Also with the new homebrew called hourglass9 it won't overwrite a9lh no matter what no more needing to select keep a9lh. You made the password thing? I remember reading about it and almost installed it so no one can use my 3ds but then realized I didn't need it lol.
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But the same thing can be said for almost everything not just a9lh. The problem with Luma and needing an update to play online, legit cia and even which cfw do I use or what's better x or y, these things well happen and we're not just gonna ignore them or keep new people from posting. This is ultimately a forum a forum like any other that gets used for help, information and opinions about the scene and we can't turn our backs from that.
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The only con really is you have to concentrate and pay attention while going through the process. If you do that you won't make mistakes, and won't brick.
Other side is, it's like getting a car remapped, if you don't need or want more power in your car, there's no need to do it.
I think it's more than that, like I said even information about the process itself like needing to have time and about an average for how long it takes about needing to have a good SD card so it doesn't by an off chance fail. The threads about hey I'm stuck on this part what I do are good because then they can get help if something goes wrong and not have threads like a thread a little while ago about the person that had an error and just kept going and we should encourage more questioning and so they are not afraid to ask questions and not get the sarcastic or mean responses. For the menuhax knowing the downsides would be helpful for the actual decision making or the pros which some could be it's faster and easier to do leaves you're sysnand untouched for all eternity so no off chance you'll brick unless you want to start messing with internal stuff and more importantly you won't have to mess with different payloads and have all your homebrew in a centralized area where they are easier to see so you can keep them updated more frequently. Cons for a9lh can be that's long and can be tedious to do if it's your first time, managing different payloads and remembering which button is for what, needing to change payload paths for some stuff like anim9 which now you don't but before it wasn't like that but now you have to have an update cfg file for your updater of chose for Luma to redirect it and small stuff like that maybe they are willing to deal with not 100% rate so they don't have to deal with payloads.
A hardmod used with Windows Imager compares to a9lh EXACTLY as much as using emunand tool compares (either way, you are using PC software/connection instead of the 3DS hardware). So there
.And comparing a 7 wire mod to a 4 wire mod is actually better than twice as fast. Using emunandtool with a high speed SD card and a USB 3.0 reader kicks the crap out of decrypt9. I get better than 13MB/s with emunandtool, and barely 4MB/s (usually less) otherwise. The 3ds reader/writer just isn't fast and nothing will change that.
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It's a no brainer for current users (new or old) to switch to a9lh imo and ditch menuhax/emunand. Having a 100% fast boot rate into a modified sysnand/system update & brick protection/nand restore is something i have been waiting for since the 3DS scene started back when I first got a GW card and is the same for the WiiU for me, since I have a console with 5.3.2 and I'm not even bothering with the current kernel exploit/loadiine thing. I'd rather have a full modified OS and USB support.
But again each to their own and if the older emunand/menuhax is okay for their needs then stay there and nobody is forcing you to go the current A9lh/luma method. If you have patience, basic PC knowledge and 3DS files knowledge, etc, the guide is easy to follow and understand.
But again each to their own and if the older emunand/menuhax is okay for their needs then stay there and nobody is forcing you to go the current A9lh/luma method. If you have patience, basic PC knowledge and 3DS files knowledge, etc, the guide is easy to follow and understand.
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This happen to me when i wanted help with Gateway, but i'm more that happy people were mentioning A9LH!
Why? - Because it's what i always wanted no matter what flashcard i had.
It actually made me more active here on GBATemp
Why? - Because it's what i always wanted no matter what flashcard i had.
It actually made me more active here on GBATemp
It actually made me more active here in GBATemp
I agree, and I have done the same. It's kinda brought some fresh air to scene and GBATemp and it's good to help others along the process.
This is literally nothing new. There was always the year's best flashcart for DS, the year's best CFW on PSP, and now the best as it comes for 3DS. It's always popularity and the popularity does not usually happen without merit. Whatevers if you beg to differ.
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While I do agree that there's a problem with the a9lh master race stuff here, I still only recommend a9lh to other people.
Depending on how much you play, the amount of time wasted because of failed menuhax might even be greater than the two hours spent installing a9lh.
Depending on how much you play, the amount of time wasted because of failed menuhax might even be greater than the two hours spent installing a9lh.
I have A9HL installed in my 3DS, but I refuse to install it in the 3DS of my friends because I'm not paying their system if something goes wrong and it bricks. They are not regular users either, so wasting a few seconds booting emuNAND without a9hl doesn't harm anyone.
EDIT: And yes, a9lh MASTER RACE
EDIT: And yes, a9lh MASTER RACE
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