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Yeah, because Nintendo's not another bullshit "AAA" company making DLC just to make DLC. I have no idea what goes on outside of Nintendo consoles because of all that nonsense, but from what I can tell the outrage is because companies do that on a regular basis, to the point of absurdity, and anything that comes close is instantly shot down (hence all the people salty about lack of voice chat). Who knows, they could add in voice chat later after they've figured out latency issues with online (I've had several matches where it lags with splatting ink because bad connection).
That's the most backwards logic I've heard in a long time. You say that you don't know much about what goes on outside of the sphere of Nintendo consoles, to that I have a simple counter. You lack what's called perspective - you only know one side of the story. You've relegated yourself to eating bread only from one specific oven and that invalidades your opinion regarding bread in general. You're cutting yourself off of all the games that are not on Nintendo platforms, which unfortunately means most games. In conclusion, you don't know consoles and you don't know games because you have nothing to compare your experiences to other than your narrow-minded opinion founded entirely on superstition, not empirical evidence. What I'm saying here is that there may be farts that smell worse than others, but in the grand scheme of things all farts objectively smell bad and you shouldn't defend farts that come out of Nintendo's asshole simply because you have an affinity towards Nintendo as a brand. Objectively speaking someone farted in your face - whodunit is not the issue, the issue is the fart and the fact that you claim it smells like roses based on some contrived and arbitrary bullshit you conjured up in your brain based on nostalgia and brand loyalty. If you want to have an objective view on gaming, you should embrace games, not the labels they come with.
 

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Gamers actually buying and praising Splatoon are endorsing extremely poor development practices and are basically telling Nintendo that it's perfectly okay to deliver an unfinished product and demand full price for it because Wii U owners are just that desperate.
Give Nintendo a break. They are just starting the shooter genre (except for Link's Crossbow Training), when was the last time they made an unfinished product? I don't know when because it never happened. I'll just call it a Beta. At least this the first unfinished one. Go tell those other companies to put work in their games instead of the whole DLC trick. Look at Zelda U, it was delayed because they didn't want to rush it. But again, back on topic.
 

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Give Nintendo a break. They are just starting the shooter genre (except for Link's Crossbow Training), when was the last time they made an unfinished product? I don't know when because it never happened. I'll just call it a Beta. At least this the first unfinished one. Go tell those other companies to put work in their games instead of the whole DLC trick. Look at Zelda U, it was delayed because they didn't want to rush it. But again, back on topic.
That is literally not even a remotely valid excuse for releasing a half finished game. OH BOY GAIS YOU CAN PAY $60 TO PLAY A BETA BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE NINTENDO IS STILL NEW TO APPARENTLY THE ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY. You know what DLC does 99% of the time from any other company? It adds. It gives more to an otherwise complete and perfectly passable product. It acts as continued support that no developer actually has to give. Nintendo has apparently decided DLC is an actual excuse to release an unfinished game.

Splatoon would hardly be worth pirating in its current state. The sad part is that since it's from Nintendo, the game will never go down in price. It will be $60 still five years from now because screw you consumers.
 

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OH BOY GAIS YOU CAN PAY $60 TO PLAY A BETA BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE NINTENDO IS STILL NEW TO APPARENTLY THE ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY. You know what DLC does 99% of the time from any other company? It adds.
Yeah it adds. Adds things that should have been in the finished product. :glare: And you want to talk about new? I could go on and on about how it isn't new. If anything Nintendo definitely isn't new.
 

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Yeah it adds. Adds things that should have been in the finished product. :glare: And you want to talk about new? I could go on and on about how it isn't new. If anything Nintendo definitely isn't new.
Yes, Nintendo is like the five year old on the playground who still hasn't quite figured out that sand is for playing, not for eating, at least when compared to any competent developer out there. Let's just ignore the fact that you sound just like any other stereotypical entitled Nintendo fan.
 

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Yes, Nintendo is like the five year old on the playground who still hasn't quite figured out that sand is for playing, not for eating, at least when compared to any competent developer out there. Let's just ignore the fact that you sound just like any other stereotypical entitled Nintendo fan.
Ugh I'm in Nintendo flame wars all the time, I don't have time for this.
 

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Nintendo released several shooters/action games in the past - Metroid Prime series comes to mind. That's besides the point though, they're industry veterans, you expect them to know better at this point, it doesn't matter if they have experience in a particular genre or not. Once you remove the abstraction of genre, content is still just content - it's either there or it isn't. I don't see how Nintendo selling a Beta is somehow better than "anyone else" selling a Beta, you're just getting duped.
 
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To be honest, I think Splatoon is well worth the money. That said, I can understand people emulating the amiibo because of availability. I get that it seems like Splatoon is unfinished (because it is), but they have a reason for doing it this way - they want to get it out in the wild for more people to get used to before adding more content, it's the start of summer for a lot of (squid) kids, and they couldn't possibly polish everything by the time it took to get this far. E3 2014 to now, 10% complete (with only one stage) to what we have now, is still pretty impressive.

I bought Splatoon, and you know what? The game was indeed worth the money. It's just plain fun and the only game I have bought on the Wii U in the past two years where I didn't get bored playing a session of 2+ hours in one sitting. Sure Mario Kart and Smash Bros are fun, but they're "I've been playing this same game for 15+ years" type of fun. Splatoon is new for Nintendo and I enjoy the fact they are branching out into new IPOs. If you don't want to purchase it because you want to bash on it without even trying it, that is fine, but for those of you on the fence the game is great and when you get bored of it you can expect it to have a high resale value in the future.
 
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It's not about whether someone enjoys it or not, it's about value for money. I think it's a great minigame thing, it would work fantastic as a F2P title like TF2 (with continuously added content and premium items like costumes and collectibles) but I don't think that the amount of content or the features justify a $60 price tag. I'd pay $20-25 for it, that seems fair - I reserve full retail price for full retail games. On the same token I wouldn't buy Super Pokemon Rumble on the 3DS since it's a sequel to a WiiWare and it's not worth full price, that doesn't make it a bad game, just a badly priced one.
 

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It's not about whether someone enjoys it or not, it's about value for money. I think it's a great minigame thing, it would work fantastic as a F2P title like TF2.

Thought exactly the same when i played the global testfire, i mean if splatoon work just a little bit like TF2 as a F2P full of micro payments it would be way better, imagine it, hats, costumes for your player, guns skins....:creep:
 
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Thought exactly the same when i played the global testfire, i mean if splatoon work just a little bit like TF2 as a F2P full of micro payments it would be way better, imagine it, hats, costumes for your player, guns skins....:creep:
Hats, hats, hats, hats, hats, hats, hats, hats, hats, oh, oh, I almost forgot, and hats!
 
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It's not about whether someone enjoys it or not, it's about value for money.

Hate to break it to you but entertainment is usually priced on enjoyment factor. If no one enjoys a game, no one buys it. Just because you personally do not feel it is worth it doesn't mean Nintendo will not sell a lot of copies to people that do. So far I've put in close to 20 hours, which at $3USD per hour is well worth the money. Cost in this case is subjective to the holder of the wallet.
 

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Hate to break it to you but entertainment is usually priced on enjoyment factor. If no one enjoys a game, no one buys it. Just because you personally do not feel it is worth it doesn't mean Nintendo will not sell a lot of copies to people that do. So far I've put in close to 20 hours, which at $3USD per hour is well worth the money. Cost in this case is subjective to the holder of the wallet.
Or objectively compared to competitive products on the market. Nintendo thinks that they live in a void but they don't - there's other developers out there and they're releasing competing software. I'm glad that you like it, good for you, but even a mountain of anecdotal evidence doesn't make a concise point. I can imagine the game selling relatively well, but only because there's really nothing else to buy for the Wii U right now and this can work in the game's favour.
 

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Gamers actually buying and praising Splatoon are endorsing extremely poor development practices and are basically telling Nintendo that it's perfectly okay to deliver an unfinished product and demand full price for it because Wii U owners are just that desperate.

US gamers.

It's a budget title in the EU, as it should be for the amount of content.
 

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It's a budget title in the EU, as it should be for the amount of content.
To be entirely fair, you still bought half a game, but at least the price is a little more worthy. By buying half a game though, there is still an endorsement of this piss poor development practice. Content to the dollar/euro/pound though, the EU certainly wins out here.
 

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To be entirely fair, you still bought half a game, but at least the price is a little more worthy. By buying half a game though, there is still an endorsement of this piss poor development practice.

£22.50 for single player, 5 maps, 20 weapons, with the promise of more free content, yeah, I'll endorse that. It's more content than a lot of psn/xbla titles that are "full games" for around the same price.
 

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