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Don't listen to him about you current CPU "bottlenecking" your system it is nonsense and he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. The CPU you linked to only has a marginally higher clockspeed which is not worth the extra $250 expense, you will not see a difference in anything by upgrading to it trust me. Honestly you could easily overclock your current CPU by a small percentage and that would give you a more noticeable performance boost than upgrading to that CPU.

Okay, then RAM, GPU, and SSD it is, hope my 650 W PSU is enough for the 970 or 980 series :D

In the meantime, I struggle having decent speed in my old laptop :mellow:

Uh...I hope my thread didn't make you feel bad.... I was seeing what I can upgrade :P
 

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Okay, then RAM, GPU, and SSD it is, hope my 650 W PSU is enough for the 970 or 980 series :D



Uh...I hope my thread didn't make you feel bad.... I was seeing what I can upgrade :P

No, no. I just compare my poor specs to yours, and see I am really behind current rig.

Lenovo Thinkpad T61 (It's from 2007!!)
- Intel Core 2 DUO T7500 2.2ghz
- NVIDIA quadro NVS 140M
- 3gb of ram
- 1399 of Graphic ram


Very obsolete indeed :yay:
 

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Switched my old ram with one 2gb bar and one 1gb bar :yay:

Future tip, you typically want to install in pairs of the same type, it helps ever so slightly with loading things into RAM when the sticks are "even" with each other (or that may be a myth I've heard, but it's in the instruction manuals I have for my legacy computers so there might be truth to it)
 

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Future tip, you typically want to install in pairs of the same type, it helps ever so slightly with loading things into RAM when the sticks are "even" with each other (or that may be a myth I've heard, but it's in the instruction manuals I have for my legacy computers so there might be truth to it)

I used spare parts of a broken laptop (fried motherboard lol, got the thing for free, so...) and I never had problems :P
 

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Haswell for Dolphin. Hands down. A decent increase in speed/performance over Ivy bridge. You'd have to talk to the dolphin junkies to get an explanation there. 4690k honestly may be your best bet. Even if you don't overclock. Stick it with an h97 board.
 

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I checked your list. Skip the 960 2Gb model and get a 970 or 980 with double the dedicated GPU memory. Just make sure you have good air flow inside the case as it could get hot at some point (when maxing all settings in the future..)

I've got a very similar rig as you propose (i5-4690K, GTX970, 2x8Gb, 256GB SSD as the main parts) and I have yet to see a game which wouldn't run on ultra settings at 1080p with a very decent FPS. Hell, Starcraft 2 runs at 100 fps or something without a sweat in mid game with a bunch of protoss and shit roaming the screen, which capped my MBP easily with very noticeable lag. If I didn't get a good offer for the stuff, I'd have skipped on the extra RAM as 2x4Gb is more than enough for gaming. Otherwise mostly moot.
 
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Sounds like we pretty much have the same computer lmao. Works quite well!

Would you recommend an i5-4690? I'm trying to build a computer for composing/remixing, recording game footage, act as a Hackintosh (which requires the integrated graphics of a 4600-range anyway, in the Haswell generation), emulating at least DS, and probably playing games, for as cheap as possible. The motherboard I'm looking at is a Gigabyte ga-z97x-sli for (kind of) cheap on eBay, and I've been collecting various other components from old computers for a while now (I have a good sized stack of hard drives and >2GB sticks of RAM, for example), so most of the computer shouldn't be an issue

I suppose what I'm asking is if I should get that CPU or if I could get away with something cheaper, as a CPU is the one thing I would rather not get off of eBay unless I find a good deal on a new one
 
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Would you recommend an i5-4690? I'm trying to build a computer for composing/remixing, recording game footage, act as a Hackintosh (which requires the integrated graphics of a 4600-range anyway, in the Haswell generation), emulating at least DS, and probably playing games, for as cheap as possible. The motherboard I'm looking at is a Gigabyte ga-z97x-sli for (kind of) cheap on eBay, and I've been collecting various other components from old computers for a while now (I have a good sized stack of hard drives and >2GB sticks of hard drives, for example), so most of the computer shouldn't be an issue

I suppose what I'm asking is if I should get that CPU or if I could get away with something cheaper, as a CPU is the one thing I would rather not get off of eBay unless I find a good deal on a new one


My computer is weak, it struggles emulating DS lol.
 

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Your current GPU might be fine (honestly, I know very little about GPU's since I'm not a PC gamer), but Maximum PC recently did a benchmark on top GPU's and the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X clearly came out on top. I've always opted for integrated GPU because I don't do anything with graphics. This is just food for thought, I'll let others take it from there.

I do know about SSD's though. Do NOT buy a SSD that uses asynchronous NAND. As far as I know, Kingston and PNY are the only two companies currently using that. I recommend Crucial personally, since they have very reasonable prices.
 

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Would you recommend an i5-4690? I'm trying to build a computer for composing/remixing, recording game footage, act as a Hackintosh (which requires the integrated graphics of a 4600-range anyway, in the Haswell generation), emulating at least DS, and probably playing games, for as cheap as possible. The motherboard I'm looking at is a Gigabyte ga-z97x-sli for (kind of) cheap on eBay, and I've been collecting various other components from old computers for a while now (I have a good sized stack of hard drives and >2GB sticks of RAM, for example), so most of the computer shouldn't be an issue

I suppose what I'm asking is if I should get that CPU or if I could get away with something cheaper, as a CPU is the one thing I would rather not get off of eBay unless I find a good deal on a new one

The CPU is one of the best in the price range. You could pay a few hundred extra for an i7, but most, if not all average users/gamers will never see much benefit apart from a larger epen in benchmarks. For gaming purposes, the CPU has less to do than the GPU, but I'd say you can go easily 5 to 10 years with the 4690/K unless something spectacular comes out in the CPU hardware tech (such as the integrated video stuff used for AppleTV desktop mirroring etc). If you need to save money, prioritise the GPU in any case.

Your current GPU might be fine (honestly, I know very little about GPU's since I'm not a PC gamer), but Maximum PC recently did a benchmark on top GPU's and the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X clearly came out on top. I've always opted for integrated GPU because I don't do anything with graphics. This is just food for thought, I'll let others take it from there.

I do know about SSD's though. Do NOT buy a SSD that uses asynchronous NAND. As far as I know, Kingston and PNY are the only two companies currently using that. I recommend Crucial personally, since they have very reasonable prices.

Seconded. I've got two SSDs at the moment, one being a Samsung 840 Pro and the other being a Crucial SSD, both 256 GB variants.
 

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And two, I get paranoid when CPU temps start reaching 80 Celsius
GOOD. 80+ Celsius is pretty bad in most cases.
Also, a CPU is the big part of running Dolphin well, while GPUs are upgraded for PC games. The CPU does the actual emulation, remember?
And # of cores don't matter much since Dolphin only uses 2.
 

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Your current GPU might be fine (honestly, I know very little about GPU's since I'm not a PC gamer), but Maximum PC recently did a benchmark on top GPU's and the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X clearly came out on top. I've always opted for integrated GPU because I don't do anything with graphics. This is just food for thought, I'll let others take it from there.

I do know about SSD's though. Do NOT buy a SSD that uses asynchronous NAND. As far as I know, Kingston and PNY are the only two companies currently using that. I recommend Crucial personally, since they have very reasonable prices.


I would not recommend the 290x or really any AMD graphics cards at this moment. 290X would require an upgrade of his PSU, 650W is just not enough of this card, plus the 290X is 2 years old now, not that tech has changed much but the powerdraw off top end cards has. I would recommend the 980 if you can afford it. The 970 is nice outside of the 3.5gb vram issue, but if you are not 4k gaming (and you really should not be on a single card anyway) you should be fine, in the future you will have to upgrade that anyway.

As far as a i5 3xxx bottlenecking the GPU, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Your CPU is way more than enough for now. Maybe in a few years you will need to upgrade, but right now you are just fine.

A ram upgrade is not really too necessary either unless you just want to do it. 8gb should be enough for now, by the time you will upgrade the CPU again you will need to get DDR4, or DDR5 if it is out by then, and you will require a new Mobo anyway, so it might be more worth it if you just push the money you are saving on the 8gb extra (or brand new 16gb) onto the 980.

Lastly the SSD is nice, they are cheap, but at the same time not really necessary either.

I would recommend that you just upgrade your GPU, save the rest of your money for a future upgrade. 650W is fine for the 970 or 980, but you will NOT be able to get a 290X to work with that low of power, I don't think the 280X can even run on that either. I would stay away from AMD entirely until they release a new GPU.
 

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Its literally pointless upgrading anything in that list other than your graphics card, you cant even call what you are planning to do an upgrade it is a sidegrade exchanging one component for a near identical other component. You would be better off just buying a GTX 970 or a 980 and maybe an SSD, those would actually be an upgrade.

^ This.
8 GB of RAM should be enough for anything unless you are a heavier multitasker than I am. Your PSU should be powerful enough to not need upgrading.

A newer generation CPU will be somewhat faster, but it's not a big difference and CPUs don't really get outdated that quickly nowadays. Most people never take advantage of their CPU power anyway. If you want, you can get an aftermarket cooler and OC your CPU. That's not something you need to do at this point though, but eventually when you find out that the CPU isn't powerful enough anymore, it will get you a good few more years of use out of it without costing you much.

I still use a Core i7 920 but I overclocked it to 3.8ghz from the stock 2.66. I recently upgraded my GPU to a GTX 970 so my PC should be powerful enough to run pretty much anything and I don't see myself needing to upgrade it again for a long time.
 

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Your current GPU might be fine (honestly, I know very little about GPU's since I'm not a PC gamer), but Maximum PC recently did a benchmark on top GPU's and the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X clearly came out on top. I've always opted for integrated GPU because I don't do anything with graphics. This is just food for thought, I'll let others take it from there.

I do know about SSD's though. Do NOT buy a SSD that uses asynchronous NAND. As far as I know, Kingston and PNY are the only two companies currently using that. I recommend Crucial personally, since they have very reasonable prices.


I don't like AMD's line of GPUs given the bad experiences I've had with them in the past, same goes with their CPUs, same deal, I've had one of them fry on me before. Intel+nVidia all the way :P That being said, I don't need anything super high-end, 200-300 dollars is a good range for me to focus ^_^ I dunno why I mentioned CPU update, mostly because some games, like AC: Unity, my CPU doesn't even meet the minimum specs, yeah, the game is that piss porr in optimization.

So many responses from you guys, thank you :D

Qtis SSD is still quite a ways off, I currently have two HDDs in my case, both Western Digital 1 TB drives at 7200 RPM, would an SSD still be the way to go for an OS partition? I'm still on the fence, but SSDs don't even take up power at all, and I do have a 2.5" drive bay, so I can fit one.

Sicklyboy How good is your rig for Dolphin, PCSX2, etc? Do games like The Last Story still struggle even with the improvements the emulator has seen this year so far? I don't know why I suggested CPU upgrade since, well, the differential would be negligible, right?

^ This.
8 GB of RAM should be enough for anything unless you are a heavier multitasker than I am. Your PSU should be powerful enough to not need upgrading.
If you want, you can get an aftermarket cooler and OC your CPU. That's not something you need to do at this point though, but eventually when you find out that the CPU isn't powerful enough anymore, it will get you a good few more years of use out of it without costing you much.
I still use a Core i7 920 but I overclocked it to 3.8ghz from the stock 2.66. I recently upgraded my GPU to a GTX 970 so my PC should be powerful enough to run pretty much anything and I don't see myself needing to upgrade it again for a long time.

Actually, if you look at the OP, my CPU is the 3750 non-K version, so because of that, I can't overclock. I got the non-K version because I never had the intent to do so. Judging from the posts, it sounds like that GPU is the best thing to upgrade, given the general consensus of the thread thus far.

Sorry for not quoting everyone's post, I don't want to clog the thread with a huge post, you know, so far, I'll keep my eye on sales for GPUs as 300-330 dollars might be, well, a tad steep. I never have, nor will I ever overclock since it cuts the lifespan and voids the warranty.
 

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I would not recommend the 290x or really any AMD graphics cards at this moment. 290X would require an upgrade of his PSU, 650W is just not enough of this card, plus the 290X is 2 years old now, not that tech has changed much but the powerdraw off top end cards has. I would recommend the 980 if you can afford it. The 970 is nice outside of the 3.5gb vram issue, but if you are not 4k gaming (and you really should not be on a single card anyway) you should be fine, in the future you will have to upgrade that anyway.
Ah. Like I said, GPU's aren't my thing. Have you tried it, or is this something you read?

The reason the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X won is that it beat everything in the tests except the Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 (just barely), but that cost an additional $200. The OP is on a budget. The 980 also had a higher peak temperature.
 

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Ah. Like I said, GPU's aren't my thing. Have you tried it, or is this something you read?

The reason the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X won is that it beat everything in the tests except the Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 (just barely), but that cost an additional $200. The OP is on a budget. The 980 also had a higher peak temperature.


I'm not going with AMD like I said, I'm too nVidia biased and have been using their products for over a decade :P The 960/970 would be fantastic, though, I don't know if my tower has the worlds best cooling. So far there's the PSU fan, a 200 mm fan in front, 120 mm in back, aftermarket CPU cooler. There was a 200 mm on top but, it created problems with dust. So, yeah, four fans in my tower, but it is two years old though.
 
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